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Mon, 18 April 2011 11:04  |
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I will be pulling all the movable glass window assemblies to rebuild them and paint the coach. I have found one source for all of the needed rubber parts but the outer extrusions are almost $4 per lin foot(for both sizes). The GMC expert at Alex Sirum GMC(Jeff)said there is only one supplier of the material and they jacked up the price. Anyone know of other suppliers? would love to pass it on to Jeff and save others (and myself) the extra expense.
Sully
Sully
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122231 is a reply to message #122217] |
Mon, 18 April 2011 12:19  |
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You will find parts suppliers bridging the gap in their business has taken the
form of raising their price. It's that way on about everything. It all comes
down to volume. The volume of the rubber you talk about puts un in the category
of selling those rubber parts at $2.55 pr foot, Jeff and all of us pretty much
buy from the same people-- I wish there were but there are few short cuts in
getting this stuff-- just depends on how much you are willing to buy. As for
the rest of the rubber materials, there are some differences in felts. We use
the rubber felts, not the wire backed original stuff-- the rubber stuff seems to
last longer.
Also, more than just having the part is the expertice on installing it. This is
what sets dealers apart. You can read about how to do it on our "information"
page under "So you want to replace your window rubbers" at www.gmccoop.com This
will give you enough to get going, if you get the pieces/ parts from us, we will
be on the phone answering questions as youdo the work. I feel this is what you
need over just the parts.
Hope this helps,
Jim Bounds
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From: sgltrac <sgltrac@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 12:04:33 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping
I will be pulling all the movable glass window assemblies to rebuild them and
paint the coach. I have found one source for all of the needed rubber parts but
the outer extrusions are almost $4 per lin foot(for both sizes). The GMC expert
at Alex Sirum GMC(Jeff)said there is only one supplier of the material and they
jacked up the price. Anyone know of other suppliers? would love to pass it on to
Jeff and save others (and myself) the extra expense.
Sully
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122237 is a reply to message #122231] |
Mon, 18 April 2011 13:02 |
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I just looked at your website, do you have pre cut carpet kits for the
driver floor area and steps?
Thanks
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You will find parts suppliers bridging the gap in their business has taken
> the
> form of raising their price. It's that way on about everything. It all
> comes
> down to volume. The volume of the rubber you talk about puts un in the
> category
> of selling those rubber parts at $2.55 pr foot, Jeff and all of us pretty
> much
> buy from the same people-- I wish there were but there are few short cuts
> in
> getting this stuff-- just depends on how much you are willing to buy. As
> for
> the rest of the rubber materials, there are some differences in felts. We
> use
> the rubber felts, not the wire backed original stuff-- the rubber stuff
> seems to
> last longer.
>
> Also, more than just having the part is the expertice on installing it.
> This is
> what sets dealers apart. You can read about how to do it on our
> "information"
> page under "So you want to replace your window rubbers" at www.gmccoop.comThis
> will give you enough to get going, if you get the pieces/ parts from us, we
> will
> be on the phone answering questions as youdo the work. I feel this is what
> you
> need over just the parts.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jim Bounds
> -------------------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: sgltrac <sgltrac@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 12:04:33 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping
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> I will be pulling all the movable glass window assemblies to rebuild them
> and
> paint the coach. I have found one source for all of the needed rubber parts
> but
> the outer extrusions are almost $4 per lin foot(for both sizes). The GMC
> expert
> at Alex Sirum GMC(Jeff)said there is only one supplier of the material and
> they
> jacked up the price. Anyone know of other suppliers? would love to pass it
> on to
> Jeff and save others (and myself) the extra expense.
>
> Sully
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122256 is a reply to message #122246] |
Mon, 18 April 2011 17:07 |
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On 4/18/2011 1:24 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> Thanks Paul
>
> Sully
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Paul W Lehmann<spiffycar@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Not sure exactly what you are replacing on which style of windows, but
>> these might help you.
>>
>> http://www.pellandent.com/RV_Products_List.aspx?CategoryID=71
>>
>> http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/Windows_s/126.htm
Assuming that you have the original GM-designed/manf'd
windows (you weren't specific about that) - if not, or if
you are a seasoned expert, disregard entire message:
Be advised that the stuff from Vintage Trailer Supply is not
a good fit, regardless of the 5-star testimonial on the
detail page.
I redid my galley window (complete disassembly, refinish,
reassembly) just a couple of months ago. Not wanting to deal
with the poor fit of the stuff I replaced the original stuff
with about 10 years ago, I searched high and low for
something that would actually stay in the groove.
VTS was one of the only places that I could find that had
something that looked promising. I called them, talked to
them, asked if the advice they give that the channel "must
be 3/8" wide and 7/16" tall" was for real. They assured me
that if the channel is not that size, the stuff won't fit
correctly. It will sag, droop or just fall out over time.
Ask them for a small sample piece if you want to take a
chance. Check the sample against your window channel. You
don't want to have to do this again.
Further research locally (and with a referral from Walt's RV
Surplus in Rialto) found the exact fit at J&J Auto Fabrics
in Rialto, CA (909) 874-3040, http://www.jjautofabrics.com.
Their price (at least in January) is $14.95 for an 8' slice.
It fits the bottom of the channel perfectly, the gripper
barbs compress the right amount to actually grip the sides
of the channel, and the height is correct. Ask for AS1307
(Products/Unbeaded All-Rubber Channels). Ask them for a
sample before you commit to a quantity. Try it, see if it
fits better than the VTS stuff. (Not that the VTS stuff is
bad - it's just not exactly correct for this appication.) I
took a piece of the window frame with me to check the fit. I
believe that what they list as AS1368 was identical to my
old stuff. It's surprising how much difference 3/64" makes.
A caveat: A technique exists to replace this material with
the window in place using a "slide, shove, yank, pull,
slide, shove, yank, pull" action. That works okay with the
narrower material. But this better stuff will need a bunch
of some kind of lubricant (silicone spray lube, or maybe
wire pulling lubricant) because once it's in the groove, it
fits so well that you'll more than likely rip it apart
before it will move with that technique. It acts like the
toy we used to call Chinese handcuffs - the harder you pull,
the more intent it is to staying put.
J&J have one of the most amazing inventories of automotive
fabrics, upholstery hardware, tools, materials, and expert,
friendly advice that one could ever expect to find. They
have things that, unless you're in the auto upholstery
business, you would never know existed. This isn't JoAnn
Fabrics or granny's crafts and crochet supply. It's real
big-boy automotive and marine stuff. This is the kind of
place that is best experienced in person. But they will do
everything they can to get you what you need if it has to do
with automotive interior materials.
Also, (again assuming you're dealing with the GM windows)
when you reassemble, be sure to apply sealant at the joints
where the end pieces and center pieces meet - all around the
splines. I wound up using 3M windshield sealant after the
fact. Used a disposable veterinary syringe and broken needle
to inject it into the cracks. Works great, but I wish I had
done it before putting the window back in the coach. And do
yourself a favor by keeping track of where each spline goes.
Contrary to what you may have been led to believe, these
windows are not built with fine precision. The splines need
to go back into the same position they came out of - don't
mix them up - or the screw holes won't line up. Or, you
could re-drill, tap and countersink like I had to do on
several screws that broke. Just another way to skin the same
cat.
Overhauling these windows will be quite entertaining for
your neighbors if they are within eye-/ear-shot.
Toby Maki
'73 Glacier 230
Riverside, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122265 is a reply to message #122256] |
Mon, 18 April 2011 18:11 |
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They are original. The biggest issue with mine (other than the leaks) is the
rubber around the outside perimeter of the glass(weatherstrip) is
contracting and falling out. The channel mld looks to be decent but like you
said, I dont want to do it twice so planned on doing ita s well. The channel
in my living space windows appears to be a rigid plastic extrusion while the
front toll booth windows appear to be a reinforced felt
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM, tmaki <tmaki@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/18/2011 1:24 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> > Thanks Paul
> >
> > Sully
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Paul W Lehmann<spiffycar@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Not sure exactly what you are replacing on which style of windows, but
> >> these might help you.
> >>
> >> http://www.pellandent.com/RV_Products_List.aspx?CategoryID=71
> >>
> >> http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/Windows_s/126.htm
>
>
> Assuming that you have the original GM-designed/manf'd
> windows (you weren't specific about that) - if not, or if
> you are a seasoned expert, disregard entire message:
>
> Be advised that the stuff from Vintage Trailer Supply is not
> a good fit, regardless of the 5-star testimonial on the
> detail page.
>
> I redid my galley window (complete disassembly, refinish,
> reassembly) just a couple of months ago. Not wanting to deal
> with the poor fit of the stuff I replaced the original stuff
> with about 10 years ago, I searched high and low for
> something that would actually stay in the groove.
>
> VTS was one of the only places that I could find that had
> something that looked promising. I called them, talked to
> them, asked if the advice they give that the channel "must
> be 3/8" wide and 7/16" tall" was for real. They assured me
> that if the channel is not that size, the stuff won't fit
> correctly. It will sag, droop or just fall out over time.
> Ask them for a small sample piece if you want to take a
> chance. Check the sample against your window channel. You
> don't want to have to do this again.
>
> Further research locally (and with a referral from Walt's RV
> Surplus in Rialto) found the exact fit at J&J Auto Fabrics
> in Rialto, CA (909) 874-3040, http://www.jjautofabrics.com.
> Their price (at least in January) is $14.95 for an 8' slice.
> It fits the bottom of the channel perfectly, the gripper
> barbs compress the right amount to actually grip the sides
> of the channel, and the height is correct. Ask for AS1307
> (Products/Unbeaded All-Rubber Channels). Ask them for a
> sample before you commit to a quantity. Try it, see if it
> fits better than the VTS stuff. (Not that the VTS stuff is
> bad - it's just not exactly correct for this appication.) I
> took a piece of the window frame with me to check the fit. I
> believe that what they list as AS1368 was identical to my
> old stuff. It's surprising how much difference 3/64" makes.
>
> A caveat: A technique exists to replace this material with
> the window in place using a "slide, shove, yank, pull,
> slide, shove, yank, pull" action. That works okay with the
> narrower material. But this better stuff will need a bunch
> of some kind of lubricant (silicone spray lube, or maybe
> wire pulling lubricant) because once it's in the groove, it
> fits so well that you'll more than likely rip it apart
> before it will move with that technique. It acts like the
> toy we used to call Chinese handcuffs - the harder you pull,
> the more intent it is to staying put.
>
> J&J have one of the most amazing inventories of automotive
> fabrics, upholstery hardware, tools, materials, and expert,
> friendly advice that one could ever expect to find. They
> have things that, unless you're in the auto upholstery
> business, you would never know existed. This isn't JoAnn
> Fabrics or granny's crafts and crochet supply. It's real
> big-boy automotive and marine stuff. This is the kind of
> place that is best experienced in person. But they will do
> everything they can to get you what you need if it has to do
> with automotive interior materials.
>
> Also, (again assuming you're dealing with the GM windows)
> when you reassemble, be sure to apply sealant at the joints
> where the end pieces and center pieces meet - all around the
> splines. I wound up using 3M windshield sealant after the
> fact. Used a disposable veterinary syringe and broken needle
> to inject it into the cracks. Works great, but I wish I had
> done it before putting the window back in the coach. And do
> yourself a favor by keeping track of where each spline goes.
> Contrary to what you may have been led to believe, these
> windows are not built with fine precision. The splines need
> to go back into the same position they came out of - don't
> mix them up - or the screw holes won't line up. Or, you
> could re-drill, tap and countersink like I had to do on
> several screws that broke. Just another way to skin the same
> cat.
>
> Overhauling these windows will be quite entertaining for
> your neighbors if they are within eye-/ear-shot.
>
>
>
> Toby Maki
> '73 Glacier 230
> Riverside, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122271 is a reply to message #122265] |
Mon, 18 April 2011 19:09 |
tmaki
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On 4/18/2011 4:11 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> They are original. The biggest issue with mine (other than the leaks) is the
> rubber around the outside perimeter of the glass(weatherstrip) is
> contracting and falling out.
Hmmm...well, if you are taking them all apart anyways, you
have to reset the glass, etc.
The stationary part can be reset with glass setting tape. I
think I used 3/32". J&J has that as well. I was not able to
find the rubber extrusion that my windows were set with.
Besides that, I didn't like the way the rubber did not
conform to the corner curves. The tape conforms much better
for a DIY'er that doesn't have the benefit of the factory
jigs and assembly tools.
The felt channel is used on the movable glass only, of course.
> The channel in my living space windows appears to be a rigid plastic extrusion
The movable glass should have some kind of fuzzy channel
material. The stationary glass is set in either the rubber
extrusion (factory OE, I would guess), or glass setting tape
(perhaps after replacing glass sometime in coach's history).
The only rigid plastic material I'm aware of in, on or
around the windows is the spacer that the screen slides on.
Try not to lose or damage those. Nobody I contacted had any
idea where to get that stuff. Although there is probably
miles of it in some warehouse.
> while the
> front toll booth windows appear to be a reinforced felt
I think you should be able to use the same felt channel as
on the other windows. I haven't re-done those two yet, so
can't be sure if the frame extrusion is the same as the others.
With all that said, though, might you have the Hehr windows?
Some of what you're describing almost makes me think you do.
The Hehr uses a more serviceable glass setting arrangement
so that the whole assembly doesn't have to be taken apart to
replace the stationary glass. Your description of a
"weatherstrip" deteriorating and falling out makes me think
of the Hehr.
The GMC maintenance manual has a good description of how to
set new glass on the Hehr windows and virtually bupkis for
the GM windows.
Remind me again what is year and model of your GMC? And
where are you located?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122277 is a reply to message #122271] |
Mon, 18 April 2011 19:44 |
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77 Royale. Seattle Wa.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 5:09 PM, tmaki <tmaki@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/18/2011 4:11 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> > They are original. The biggest issue with mine (other than the leaks) is
> the
> > rubber around the outside perimeter of the glass(weatherstrip) is
> > contracting and falling out.
>
>
> Hmmm...well, if you are taking them all apart anyways, you
> have to reset the glass, etc.
>
> The stationary part can be reset with glass setting tape. I
> think I used 3/32". J&J has that as well. I was not able to
> find the rubber extrusion that my windows were set with.
> Besides that, I didn't like the way the rubber did not
> conform to the corner curves. The tape conforms much better
> for a DIY'er that doesn't have the benefit of the factory
> jigs and assembly tools.
>
> The felt channel is used on the movable glass only, of course.
>
>
> > The channel in my living space windows appears to be a rigid plastic
> extrusion
>
>
> The movable glass should have some kind of fuzzy channel
> material. The stationary glass is set in either the rubber
> extrusion (factory OE, I would guess), or glass setting tape
> (perhaps after replacing glass sometime in coach's history).
>
> The only rigid plastic material I'm aware of in, on or
> around the windows is the spacer that the screen slides on.
> Try not to lose or damage those. Nobody I contacted had any
> idea where to get that stuff. Although there is probably
> miles of it in some warehouse.
>
>
> > while the
> > front toll booth windows appear to be a reinforced felt
>
>
> I think you should be able to use the same felt channel as
> on the other windows. I haven't re-done those two yet, so
> can't be sure if the frame extrusion is the same as the others.
>
> With all that said, though, might you have the Hehr windows?
> Some of what you're describing almost makes me think you do.
> The Hehr uses a more serviceable glass setting arrangement
> so that the whole assembly doesn't have to be taken apart to
> replace the stationary glass. Your description of a
> "weatherstrip" deteriorating and falling out makes me think
> of the Hehr.
>
> The GMC maintenance manual has a good description of how to
> set new glass on the Hehr windows and virtually bupkis for
> the GM windows.
>
> Remind me again what is year and model of your GMC? And
> where are you located?
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122334 is a reply to message #122281] |
Tue, 19 April 2011 11:49 |
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| tmaki wrote on Mon, 18 April 2011 18:18 |
On 4/18/2011 5:44 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> 77 Royale. Seattle Wa.
Ah... Then you most likely have the Hehr windows, which I
think GM started using in '75 (?). Pretty much disregard
everything I said. Except maybe the part about the d/p
windows. ...
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This is why it is a good idea to put the year and model of your coach in your signature line. When you are asking questions, knowing the model and year of your coach will allow the person answering your question to give better advice. Sometimes it will not make a difference, but in this case.... how many messages went out before it was figured out? (I had been 'late' on my reading and was wondering in my head... "what year" through the whole thread.) OBTW, the information given is great info... for a 1973 or 1974 coach!
If you have a non-GM upfitted coach (Royale, Birch, Avion or ect.) THAT information is also NEEDED for anything that isn't running gear or body.
It is up to you about the sig, but what kind of advice do you want?
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122346 is a reply to message #122334] |
Tue, 19 April 2011 12:55 |
tmaki
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On 4/19/2011 9:49 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>
> tmaki wrote on Mon, 18 April 2011 18:18
>> On 4/18/2011 5:44 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
>>> 77 Royale. Seattle Wa.
>>
>> Ah... Then you most likely have the Hehr windows, which
>> I think GM started using in '75 (?). Pretty much
>> disregard everything I said. Except maybe the part
>> about the d/p windows. ...
>
> OBTW, the information given
> is great info... for a 1973 or 1974 coach!
That's prexactly why I prefaced my remarks with:
"Assuming that you have the original GM-designed/manf'd
windows" which, to my knowledge, were used only in '73/'74.
Of course, there's no telling about these coaches. I'm
getting to the point after 12 years of ownership and 12
years worth of subscribing to this mailing list, that
everything I know about them is what I've learned and know
about serial number 831. Even that one has me stumped at
times. With the nearly complete library of documentation on
my shelf, I often scratch my head and mutter, "But mine
ain't like that."
It's really almost impossible for anybody other than the
original owner to know exactly what they've got until they
get their hands, eyes and ears on it.
What an adventure!
> If you have a non-GM upfitted coach (Royale, Birch, Avion
> or ect.) THAT information is also NEEDED for anything
> that isn't running gear or body.
Indeed. But, the likelihood of OTS RV components of the time
is increased a little. That makes it a little easier to
scrounge up current OTS replacements rather than having to
hunt for more "custom" GM-specific components. Not all, but
a respectable number, I'd say.
Toby Maki
'73 Glacier 230
Riverside, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window weather stripping [message #122351 is a reply to message #122334] |
Tue, 19 April 2011 14:10 |
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Thanks mike. Still trying to figure out this whole forum thing
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tmaki wrote on Mon, 18 April 2011 18:18
> On 4/18/2011 5:44 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> > 77 Royale. Seattle Wa.
>
> Ah... Then you most likely have the Hehr windows, which I
> think GM started using in '75 (?). Pretty much disregard
> everything I said. Except maybe the part about the d/p
> windows. ...
This is why it is a good idea to put the year and model of your coach in your signature line. When you are asking questions, knowing the model and year of your coach will allow the person answering your question to give better advice. Sometimes it will not make a difference, but in this case.... how many messages went out before it was figured out? (I had been 'late' on my reading and was wondering in my head... "what year" through the whole thread.) OBTW, the information given is great info... for a 1973 or 1974 coach!
If you have a non-GM upfitted coach (Royale, Birch, Avion or ect.) THAT information is also NEEDED for anything that isn't running gear or body.
It is up to you about the sig, but what kind of advice do you want?
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Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
'73 26' exPainted D. -- `78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- `77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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Sully
77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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