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Cleaning black water tank [message #121525] Mon, 11 April 2011 12:43 Go to next message
thorndike is currently offline  thorndike   United States
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I have un-winterized (summer-ized?) my coach today.

The tank reading on the panel says the tank is 1/4 -1/2 full even though it is empty. At least nothing comes out of the drain. I am assuming that the sensor in the tank might be, like me, full of "stuff". Is there a way to clean this without taking the tank apart? I was wondering if there was a septic tank cleaner, or something along those lines that I could use to remove any organic material. I was picturing filling the tank full of water and letting it sit with a cleaner in it. Is this possible?

Also, is there a special adapter I need to use to fill my water tank? The Potable water fill connector is not a standard hose bib, and I was not given anything to connnect to the tank to fill it. I would like to sterilize the tank and system before Bean Station, so guess I will just hold the hose there until it is full and then go from there.

Bob


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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121529 is a reply to message #121525] Mon, 11 April 2011 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob

Most likely your gauge has died. To clean the black water tank, flush a
bucket of water and 2 or 3 bags of ice down the toilet and take it for a
brisk drive before the ice melts...
I'd have to see the fill fresh water area, but if you dumped some
Javex/Clorex..maybe a cup... and filled the tank and drained and flushed a
couple of times it should clean it up.
I don't drink from the fresh water tank, but rather keep gallon jugs under
the sink for drinking..

As they say, just what I do !

Mike in cold Santa Fe




On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Robert Peesel <thorndike@pldsllc.com>wrote:

>
>
> I have un-winterized (summer-ized?) my coach today.
>
> The tank reading on the panel says the tank is 1/4 -1/2 full even though it
> is empty. At least nothing comes out of the drain. I am assuming that the
> sensor in the tank might be, like me, full of "stuff". Is there a way to
> clean this without taking the tank apart? I was wondering if there was a
> septic tank cleaner, or something along those lines that I could use to
> remove any organic material. I was picturing filling the tank full of water
> and letting it sit with a cleaner in it. Is this possible?
>
> Also, is there a special adapter I need to use to fill my water tank? The
> Potable water fill connector is not a standard hose bib, and I was not given
> anything to connnect to the tank to fill it. I would like to sterilize the
> tank and system before Bean Station, so guess I will just hold the hose
> there until it is full and then go from there.
>
> Bob
> --
> Robert Peesel
>
> 1976 Royale 26'
>
> Side Dry Bath
>
> Sterling, Va
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121536 is a reply to message #121529] Mon, 11 April 2011 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The "ice cube" method works.....

Larry Nelson Springfield, MO Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121542 is a reply to message #121525] Mon, 11 April 2011 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Byron Songer is currently offline  Byron Songer   United States
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Here's the cheap man's way.

Put a pistol grip sprayer. Attach it to the end of a hose. Set it to spray
continuously. Open the toilet valve and drop the spray head into it. Have
someone else turn the water on. Spin the sprayer around (or move it
somehow). When you think you've done enough, have the helper cut the water.

Alternatively, you can make a device or buy one from Camping World that
attaches to the hose. It is a rod with holes to squirt the water in a few
directions.

If nothing flows from the dump line you may have a clog of toilet paper in
the line preventing it from draining. By the way, always use toilet paper
that's safe for use in a camper. It dissolves whereas the standard home
stuff doesn't (nor do the pages of ads in the Sunday paper).

Byron Songer
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Louisville, KY
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Robert Peesel wrote:

>
>
> I have un-winterized (summer-ized?) my coach today.
>
> The tank reading on the panel says the tank is 1/4 -1/2 full even though it is
> empty. At least nothing comes out of the drain. I am assuming that the
> sensor in the tank might be, like me, full of "stuff". Is there a way to
> clean this without taking the tank apart? I was wondering if there was a
> septic tank cleaner, or something along those lines that I could use to remove
> any organic material. I was picturing filling the tank full of water and
> letting it sit with a cleaner in it. Is this possible?
>
> Also, is there a special adapter I need to use to fill my water tank? The
> Potable water fill connector is not a standard hose bib, and I was not given
> anything to connnect to the tank to fill it. I would like to sterilize the
> tank and system before Bean Station, so guess I will just hold the hose there
> until it is full and then go from there.
>
> Bob


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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121543 is a reply to message #121542] Mon, 11 April 2011 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I really am afraid to ask about how you know about the Sunday paper....

Bob


Robert Peesel 1976 Royale 26' Side Dry Bath Conifer, Colorado
Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121544 is a reply to message #121542] Mon, 11 April 2011 16:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Or

Just fill the fresh water tank and go for a 3 day trip.

Watch it does not over flow

Dump when you get home. And maybe all will be ok after all the sloshing around. :)

Gene

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On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net> wrote:

> Here's the cheap man's way.
>
> Put a pistol grip sprayer. Attach it to the end of a hose. Set it to spray
> continuously. Open the toilet valve and drop the spray head into it. Have
> someone else turn the water on. Spin the sprayer around (or move it
> somehow). When you think you've done enough, have the helper cut the water.
>
> Alternatively, you can make a device or buy one from Camping World that
> attaches to the hose. It is a rod with holes to squirt the water in a few
> directions.
>
> If nothing flows from the dump line you may have a clog of toilet paper in
> the line preventing it from draining. By the way, always use toilet paper
> that's safe for use in a camper. It dissolves whereas the standard home
> stuff doesn't (nor do the pages of ads in the Sunday paper).
>
> Byron Songer
> 1978 Royale by Coachmen
> Louisville, KY
> Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
> Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
>
>
>
> Robert Peesel wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I have un-winterized (summer-ized?) my coach today.
>>
>> The tank reading on the panel says the tank is 1/4 -1/2 full even though it is
>> empty. At least nothing comes out of the drain. I am assuming that the
>> sensor in the tank might be, like me, full of "stuff". Is there a way to
>> clean this without taking the tank apart? I was wondering if there was a
>> septic tank cleaner, or something along those lines that I could use to remove
>> any organic material. I was picturing filling the tank full of water and
>> letting it sit with a cleaner in it. Is this possible?
>>
>> Also, is there a special adapter I need to use to fill my water tank? The
>> Potable water fill connector is not a standard hose bib, and I was not given
>> anything to connnect to the tank to fill it. I would like to sterilize the
>> tank and system before Bean Station, so guess I will just hold the hose there
>> until it is full and then go from there.
>>
>> Bob
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121545 is a reply to message #121544] Mon, 11 April 2011 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene,

I do it your way but never let the tank sit in storage dry.
Always keep somewater in the tank.
JWID
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Chesterfield, Va / LAKE MARY, FL
Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121546 is a reply to message #121545] Mon, 11 April 2011 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Do a search for holding tank cleaning wand on Google and you will be
surprised on what pops up.

The one that I have and use is this one.

http://www.rvpartscenter.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=31660&SID=19&DID=10&CID=38

JR Wright
On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Jim Galbavy wrote:

>
>
> Gene,
>
> I do it your way but never let the tank sit in storage dry.
> Always keep somewater in the tank.
> JWID
> jim galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
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Re: Cleaning black water tank [message #121547 is a reply to message #121525] Mon, 11 April 2011 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thorndike;
I Am Sorry To Inform You That You Will Have To Drop Your Tank ~
IF you have been using corn cobs or catalogs for toilet paper ~
~ Joe ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

thorndike wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 12:43

I have un-winterized (summer-ized?) my coach today.

The tank reading on the panel says the tank is 1/4 -1/2 full even though it is empty. At least nothing comes out of the drain. I am assuming that the sensor in the tank might be, like me, full of "stuff". Is there a way to clean this without taking the tank apart? I was wondering if there was a septic tank cleaner, or something along those lines that I could use to remove any organic material. I was picturing filling the tank full of water and letting it sit with a cleaner in it. Is this possible?

Also, is there a special adapter I need to use to fill my water tank? The Potable water fill connector is not a standard hose bib, and I was not given anything to connnect to the tank to fill it. I would like to sterilize the tank and system before Bean Station, so guess I will just hold the hose there until it is full and then go from there.

Bob



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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121558 is a reply to message #121536] Mon, 11 April 2011 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/11/2011 12:51 PM, Larry Nelson wrote:
>
>
> The "ice cube" method works.....

My favorite. I also add a bunch of dish washing detergent (Dawn)
although now that I think about it it might be better to use something
you'd put in your washing machine. You've cleaning dirt, not grease.

A clean black tank certainly makes installing a Macerator much more
enjoyable...

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121561 is a reply to message #121558] Mon, 11 April 2011 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd love to put a macerator in, but have been told that the layout of the Royale (at least mine) doesn't lend itself to one.

Oh well, my next GMC will have one.

Bob


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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121565 is a reply to message #121561] Mon, 11 April 2011 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What is a macerator?

Sent from an Iphone.

On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Robert Peesel <thorndike@pldsllc.com>
wrote:

>
>
> I'd love to put a macerator in, but have been told that the layout
> of the Royale (at least mine) doesn't lend itself to one.
>
> Oh well, my next GMC will have one.
>
> Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121566 is a reply to message #121565] Mon, 11 April 2011 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Austin Brown wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 20:42

What is a macerator?




Lump grinding Poop pump. Allows the black tank to be pumped out through a 3/4" hose.


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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121567 is a reply to message #121546] Mon, 11 April 2011 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I bought my Camco wand at Wal-Mart!

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> From: powerjon@chartermi.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:42:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank
>
> Do a search for holding tank cleaning wand on Google and you will be
> surprised on what pops up.
>
> The one that I have and use is this one.
>
> http://www.rvpartscenter.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=31660&SID=19&DID=10&CID=38
>
> JR Wright
>
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Jim Galbavy wrote:
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > I do it your way but never let the tank sit in storage dry.
> > Always keep somewater in the tank.
> > JWID
> > jim galbavy
> > '73 x-CL ANNIE
> > Chesterfield, Va / LAKE MARY, FL
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121569 is a reply to message #121566] Mon, 11 April 2011 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/11/2011 6:55 PM, Steve Southworth wrote:
>
>
> Austin Brown wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 20:42
>> What is a macerator?
>
>
> Lump grinding Poop pump. Allows the black tank to be pumped out through a 3/4" hose.

What Steve said. Imagine NOT using that 3" slinky and always worrying
about something coming apart at the least opportune moment. (The stuff
of nightmares for me...)

You pull out your hose (mine is 1" and about 10' long) and stick it into
the sewage dump opening. Pull a valve and flip a switch and a few
minutes later your black tank is empty. Hose off the end of your 1"
hose and run it back into place. (Mine slips into a 1.5" flexible black
tube that is routed under the coach) and you're done. No fuss, no muss.
You don't have to clean that corrugated tubing, knowing it's NEVER
going to be clean as you stuff it back in it's storage area.

The very first thing I installed on my 230 in 2002. Denny Allen was
selling a kit for a couple hundred and I ordered it within 2 weeks of
buying the coach. I never once dumped my black tank with a slinky.

I assume one of the Jim's still sells Denny's kit.

Kelvin
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121571 is a reply to message #121569] Mon, 11 April 2011 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelvin, you sound like me. I tried to dump this thing one time with the slinky hose. I hated walking that thing to get it emptied out then having to wash it. The maserator is made for the GMC with low holding tank. Flip a switch, wait 3 minutes, and the chore is no longer a chore that I dread. I am amazed at a few old timers still using that old 3 inch hose. I almost always get questions from SOB owners at the dump station about it.
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121576 is a reply to message #121561] Mon, 11 April 2011 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

There's no reason not to put a macerator on a Royale. Should work just as
well as on anything else. The separate gray and black water tanks can
complicate things a little, but it's still do-able. I ran one macerator on
my Birchaven for years. I now run separate ones for the two tanks, but
that's just a plumbing convenience. We'll discuss it at BS.

Ken H.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Robert Peesel <thorndike@pldsllc.com>wrote:

>
>
> I'd love to put a macerator in, but have been told that the layout of the
> Royale (at least mine) doesn't lend itself to one.
>
> Oh well, my next GMC will have one.
>
> Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121583 is a reply to message #121576] Tue, 12 April 2011 05:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 78 Royale with a dry driver side bath, twin rear bunks and a driver
side black tank with a pass side grey tank. I also have a mascerator. There
is about three ways to mount them. I still have the 3" emergency dump also.
Duane Simmons is a good resource for info on how to do it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:

> Bob,
>
> There's no reason not to put a macerator on a Royale. Should work just as
> well as on anything else. The separate gray and black water tanks can
> complicate things a little, but it's still do-able. I ran one macerator on
> my Birchaven for years. I now run separate ones for the two tanks, but
> that's just a plumbing convenience. We'll discuss it at BS.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Robert Peesel <thorndike@pldsllc.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'd love to put a macerator in, but have been told that the layout of the
> > Royale (at least mine) doesn't lend itself to one.
> >
> > Oh well, my next GMC will have one.
> >
> > Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121588 is a reply to message #121569] Tue, 12 April 2011 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't see the problem that you all are talking about with the stock 3" hose systems. Take care of the system and it is no trouble and almost fool proof. No grinder blades to replace or motors to burn out. Then talk about "stinky stuff". Wink

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Chesterfield, Va // LAKE MARY, FL
Re: [GMCnet] Cleaning black water tank [message #121595 is a reply to message #121588] Tue, 12 April 2011 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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>I don't see the problem that you all are talking about with the stock
3" hose systems. Take care of the system and it is no trouble and almost
fool proof. No grinder blades to replace or motors to burn out. Then
talk about "stinky stuff". ;)
jim galbavy

You are significantly less squeamish than I am, Jim. :^)
Hate the Slinky. Hate it.

My macerator has been installed for 9 years and hasn't had a single
problem. That means it's probably time to pull it out and check it...

Just sayin'...
Kelvin

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