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Peter Brodeski
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Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to fix this without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Pete Brodeski
1976 Palm Beach
Rockford, IL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121088 is a reply to message #121079] |
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| Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 11:25 |
Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to fix this without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Pete Brodeski
1976 Palm Beach
Rockford, IL
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Sounds like something is wrong with your converter/charger. If it is the original (which we fondly call the Buzz Box) because of the sound it makes, it might have just been turned off or unplugged by the PO (previous owner), Check in the cabinet where the circuit breaker box is for a gray box, about 6"x6" x 12" and with the power on, listen. If it is humming, at least you have power to it. If not, look for the power plug and make sure that it is plugged in and that the circuit is live.
Report back to us on that much. We can go from there. This is only a starting place if you are not very familiar with the GMC.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121090 is a reply to message #121079] |
Wed, 06 April 2011 14:47 |
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| Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 12:25 |
Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to fix this without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Pete Brodeski
1976 Palm Beach
Rockford, IL
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What's confusing is that the battery charges while running the Onan--normally the convertor wouldn't know the difference between shore power or the Onan.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121091 is a reply to message #121088] |
Wed, 06 April 2011 14:42 |
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But he said it charges when the generator is on, the generator just supplies
110v power to the converter just like the land line chord does.....or am I
missing something ???
Ray
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in
Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 11:25
> Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the
>120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm
>still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is to start
>the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile, which is
>kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm still a newbie to my
>GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to fix this without going to a
>mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete Brodeski
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Rockford, IL
>
Sounds like something is wrong with your converter/charger. If it is the
original (which we fondly call the Buzz Box) because of the sound it makes, it
might have just been turned off or unplugged by the PO (previous owner), Check
in the cabinet where the circuit breaker box is for a gray box, about 6"x6" x
12" and with the power on, listen. If it is humming, at least you have power to
it. If not, look for the power plug and make sure that it is plugged in and
that the circuit is live.
Report back to us on that much. We can go from there. This is only a starting
place if you are not very familiar with the GMC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121096 is a reply to message #121090] |
Wed, 06 April 2011 15:10 |
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sounds like the says only charges from the gmc engine
gene'
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 12:25
> > Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into
> the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one
> and I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is
> to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for
> awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm
> still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to
> fix this without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pete Brodeski
> > 1976 Palm Beach
> > Rockford, IL
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> What's confusing is that the battery charges while running the
> Onan--normally the convertor wouldn't know the difference between shore
> power or the Onan.
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> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121128 is a reply to message #121079] |
Wed, 06 April 2011 19:12 |
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If it isn't a simple fix like a tripped circuit breaker or plug not plugged in. This would be a good excuse to replace the old buzz box with a nice smart converter. The onan does have a small battery charger in it that most folks disconnect this only puts out a few amps charge and possibly what is charging when the generator is running.
Roy
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121157 is a reply to message #121096] |
Wed, 06 April 2011 21:54 |
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| Mr ERFisher wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 14:10 |
sounds like the says only charges from the gmc engine
gene'
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 12:25
> > Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into
> the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one
> and I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is
> to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for
> awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm
> still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to
> fix this without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pete Brodeski
> > 1976 Palm Beach
> > Rockford, IL
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> What's confusing is that the battery charges while running the
> Onan--normally the convertor wouldn't know the difference between shore
> power or the Onan.
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> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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Certainly not the way I read it.
sent from my cricket in the toilet at work
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121182 is a reply to message #121079] |
Thu, 07 April 2011 07:40 |
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On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM, pbrodeski <pbrodeski@me.com> wrote:
> Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the
> 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and
> I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is to
> start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile,
> which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm still a
> newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to fix this
> without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
>
I'll write this for people reading this in the toilet at work:
"The only way to charge my battery is to
1. Start the engine and let it run for a while, or
2. Run the generator for a while."
The generators included a small 12-volt power supply that was used to charge
a separate generator starting battery. Your '76 is late enough not to have
the separate generator starting battery, but it might still have that
on-board battery charger.
Thus, it sounds to me as though the converter is dead or not putting out
full voltage.
If you don't have a digital voltmeter, go buy one. It is worth what it costs
for any RV owner. Measure the voltage at the battery terminals in three
conditions: With the 455 running, with the Onan running, and when plugged
into shore power (turn on some house lights and let it sit for a half hour
or so under shore power--that will bleed off any surface charge on the
battery). My bet is that you'll see something in the 14-volt range in the
first case, 13.something volts in the second case, and 12.6 volts in the
third case.
Then, disconnect the house battery. Plug the coach back into shore power.
Measure the voltage on the output bus of the converter. If the converter is
working, it should read 13.6 or 13.8 volts. If it reads zero (likely) or
under 13 volts, it needs to be replaced. If it reads 13.6 volts, reattach
the battery and measure it again. If it still reads 13.6 volts, but less
than that at the battery, then you have a problem with the battery charging
wire from the converter output to the house battery and you'll need to trace
that wire to find the problem. Start with the connections, of course.
Battery terminals for the house battery get even dirtier than on the engine
battery.
Part of the problem is that this aspect of coaches is first in line for
owner modifications, and it's hard to know how things are really wired. When
I bought my coach, the house and engine batteries were hard-wired in
parallel through an improperly wired Perko switch. I had to strip all that
out and start over.
This will give you a procedure to follow, and if you get stuck, more precise
data when you come back to the group for more help.
Rick "who recommends Progressive Dynamic Intellipower converter/chargers if
your buzzbox is bad (or even if it isn't)" Denney
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'73 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121184 is a reply to message #121079] |
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Try plugging something (a lightbulb) into the same outlet that the battery charger is plugged in to and see if it lights up when the motorhome is plugged into shore power.
That will tell you if the charger is getting voltage in shore power mode.
If the outlet gets power then it could be that the charger is either dead or not connected to your battery bank.
John
| Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 11:25 |
Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm still having the same problem. The only way to charge my battery is to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights.
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John Ruff
Chandler, AZ
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121188 is a reply to message #121079] |
Thu, 07 April 2011 10:13 |
Peter Brodeski
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On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, gmclist-request@temp.gmcnet.org wrote:
> Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 11:25
>> Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the 120. ?I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm still having the same problem. ?The only way to charge my battery is to start the engine and let it run for a while or run the generator for awhile, which is kind of annoying when you're camping for a few nights. I'm still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to start to figure out how to fix this without going to a mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
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>> Thanks,
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>> Pete Brodeski
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Rockford, IL
>> ?
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> Sounds like something is wrong with your converter/charger. If it is the original (which we fondly call the Buzz Box) because of the sound it makes, it might have just been turned off or unplugged by the PO (previous owner), Check in the cabinet where the circuit breaker box is for a gray box, about 6"x6" x 12" and with the power on, listen. If it is humming, at least you have power to it. If not, look for the power plug and make sure that it is plugged in and that the circuit is live.
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> Report back to us on that much. We can go from there. This is only a starting place if you are not very familiar with the GMC.
> --
> Rob Allen
> former owner of '76 x-PB
Rob, I plugged in to 120 and checked the "buzz box" it was humming so I think there's power going to it. All my fuses on the fuse panel right next to it look ok. The only plug that I see in the cabinet was plugged in. It was right next to the water heater switch that was turned off (water heater doesn't work). All my plugs inside the cabin work when plugged in the 120 but my 12V cabin lights slowly dimmed out to nothing as I was working on it last night. I have a feeling that it's either a a back breaker or the "Buzz Box" is bad.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121191 is a reply to message #121079] |
Thu, 07 April 2011 10:26 |
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The lights do not brighten when it's plugged into 120, they slowly die out.
I think it might be a bad converter if it's not the 50amp breaker. Does anyone have any recommendations for a new replacement "buzz box"?
Also, I'd like to say that I'm a new GMC owner and this email list is awesome. There's no way I would have figured out 90% of the stuff I have already learned by following this list and reading up on all the resources available online for the GMC.
Pete Brodeski
1976 Palm Beach
Rockford, IL
On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:18 PM, gmclist-request@temp.gmcnet.org wrote:
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>> From my reading, it will charge while on the Onan. I wonder if the PO had connected the battery charger (alternator) built into the Onan to charge the battery after the converter failed?
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> Do the 12v house lights brighten when the 120V is plugged in? Or disconnect one terminal of the house battery and see if you have any house lights when plugged into 120Vac, if not then the converter if faulty.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121192 is a reply to message #121188] |
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| Peter Brodeski wrote on Thu, 07 April 2011 08:13 |
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> I'm still a newbie to my GMC and not sure where to
> start to figure out how to fix this without going to a
> mechanic. Any help would be appreciated!
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I have a feeling that it's either a a back breaker or the "Buzz Box" is bad.
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Peter,
I suspect you are correct that the buzz box is bad. Even if it isn't bad, it really should be replaced anyway. The tech is old and it is to easy to kill batteries with one. Even a "good" buzz box is a bad converter. (But it makes a good 12 volt power supply.)
While it might not help with your current problem, it would be good to find a local GMC'er to go over your coach with you. You shouldn't have problems getting someone, most GMC'ers love to look at and talk GMC's.... getting them to STOP is more of a problem! This will really cut down on the learning curve. (Read save you money!) Check the local clubs and the black list for someone close.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121233 is a reply to message #121227] |
Thu, 07 April 2011 15:14 |
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Here are some reasons to replace the buzz box
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=17531&cat=4507
or
http://goo.gl/xhv7v
gene
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Richard Brown
<wings77sporty@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Sounds like the switching relay in the buzz box may be bad. It's buzzing,
> so at least the transformer is at least partially OK. Here's a link to an
> article I found on repairing it:
> http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/RV%20Information/MagnaTek%20Pwr%20Converter/rv%20power%20converter.html<http://www.hayseed.net/%7Ejpk5lad/RV%20Information/MagnaTek%20Pwr%20Converter/rv%20power%20converter.html>
> Even if I get a new converter, I'll keep the old one as an ace-in-the-hole.
> The new converters are great for charging, but if you can't afford one
> right now, maybe this will help. I bought a timer that I plugged mine into
> so that it only runs for 4 hours max for the time being. I plan on getting a
> new one, but there are too many more important repairs needed at this time,
> like making it where it will go farther than a couple of miles without
> quitting on me. I need to replace the mufflers & install the block-off
> plates in the intake first.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121285 is a reply to message #121274] |
Thu, 07 April 2011 22:28 |
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| Hardie Johnson wrote on Thu, 07 April 2011 21:02 |
| Peter Brodeski wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 14:25 |
Hello, I've noticed that my aux battery doesn't charge when I plug into the 120. I thought maybe it was a bad battery so I just got a brand new one and I'm still having the same problem.<>
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I'm thinking the problem is with the isolator diode bridge - that funny blue finned thing under the hood that sort of links the house and chassis battery circuits. I am sure someone can tell you how to test it. Me, I just threw it away and replaced it with a Yandina combiner, to go with the new modern charger from Progressive Dynamics.
"See also: Rick Denny"
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The isolator does not enter the picture and has nothing to do with charging the house battery(s) from the converter or with supplying power to the 12 volt house circuits when the vehicle is parked and running on 120 volts.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Aux Battery Doesn't charge when plugged in [message #121290 is a reply to message #121188] |
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| Peter Brodeski wrote on Thu, 07 April 2011 08:13 |
> Sounds like something is wrong with your converter/charger. If it is the original (which we fondly call the Buzz Box) because of the sound it makes, it might have just been turned off or unplugged by the PO (previous owner), Check in the cabinet where the circuit breaker box is for a gray box, about 6"x6" x 12" and with the power on, listen. If it is humming, at least you have power to it. If not, look for the power plug and make sure that it is plugged in and that the circuit is live.
>
> Report back to us on that much. We can go from there. This is only a starting place if you are not very familiar with the GMC.
> --
> Rob Allen
> former owner of '76 x-PB
Rob, I plugged in to 120 and checked the "buzz box" it was humming so I think there's power going to it. All my fuses on the fuse panel right next to it look ok. The only plug that I see in the cabinet was plugged in. It was right next to the water heater switch that was turned off (water heater doesn't work). All my plugs inside the cabin work when plugged in the 120 but my 12V cabin lights slowly dimmed out to nothing as I was working on it last night. I have a feeling that it's either a a back breaker or the "Buzz Box" is bad.
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It does sound like you need a new converter/charger. Just be sure your current unit does have 120 volts going to it. Most suggested replacement would be a Progressive Dynamics PD 9245 with charge wizzard. I used a slightly different one when I did mine, but here is a photo shoot of my job.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3953
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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