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Fri, 01 April 2011 11:18  |
Kingsley Coach
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Netters
Arrived in LasCruces, NM yesterday and I couldn't wait to report that I had
a trouble free trip..with the exception of a squeeking furnace fan, but I'm
afraid I cannot do that.
An hour after arrival I had the overhead air on and the generator suddenly
died. I immediately restarted but it died again and wouldn't restart. I
checked the oil level and added a necessary quart, but still no start.
I checked the points and no fire..
Is there a trouble shooting guide on line somewhere where I can track the
problem and solve it ?
Thanks guys...
Mike in Las Cruces
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1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120505 is a reply to message #120504] |
Fri, 01 April 2011 11:21  |
Mr ERFisher
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look through these , see if one fits your conditions
http://gmcmotorhome.info/list.html#GEN
gene
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Kingsley Coach <kingsleygmc@gmail.com>wrote:
> Netters
>
> Arrived in LasCruces, NM yesterday and I couldn't wait to report that I had
> a trouble free trip..with the exception of a squeeking furnace fan, but I'm
> afraid I cannot do that.
> An hour after arrival I had the overhead air on and the generator suddenly
> died. I immediately restarted but it died again and wouldn't restart. I
> checked the oil level and added a necessary quart, but still no start.
> I checked the points and no fire..
>
> Is there a trouble shooting guide on line somewhere where I can track the
> problem and solve it ?
>
> Thanks guys...
>
> Mike in Las Cruces
>
> --
> Michael Beaton
> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120526 is a reply to message #120504] |
Fri, 01 April 2011 17:58 |
MikeT
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This sounded crazy to me but it worked. Generator ran fine. I turned it off and a few minutes later tried to restart. Cranked but would not fire off. Pulled coil wire, pulled plugs but no spark. Cranked it again and again and no start. So I gave up and called Jim Bounds.
He said to jumper from the hot on the starter to the coil, three wire side. Listen to see if the fuel pump comes on and primes. I again stated that it was not fuel it was spark. He said he knew but humor him. He said to start the generator with the jumper in place. If it starts, remove the jumper.
Being a doubting Thomas, I tried what he recommended and low and behold it started right up. I asked Jim to explain. He said the K-2 relay is weak and the jumper energized through the jumper direct to the coil allowed the necessary voltage to allow everything else to spark and work well. OK!!!
Worked for me, give it a try. Good luck.
Mike Thomas
Marine City, MI
77 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120527 is a reply to message #120526] |
Fri, 01 April 2011 18:03 |
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It is probably not the relay that is weak but it if likely that the
electrolytic capacitor in the circuit is going bad.
If you remove the circuit and look at the capacitors you will probably
see some whitish powder by the wire going into the capacitor. This is
leakage from the capacitor. If you solder in a new capacitor it will
probably work fine. Be sure to get the polarity of the capacitor
correct.
Emery Stora
On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas Mike <mthomas@wideopenwest.com>
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> This sounded crazy to me but it worked. Generator ran fine. I turned
> it off and a few minutes later tried to restart. Cranked but would
> not fire off. Pulled coil wire, pulled plugs but no spark. Cranked
> it again and again and no start. So I gave up and called Jim Bounds.
>
> He said to jumper from the hot on the starter to the coil, three
> wire side. Listen to see if the fuel pump comes on and primes. I
> again stated that it was not fuel it was spark. He said he knew but
> humor him. He said to start the generator with the jumper in place.
> If it starts, remove the jumper.
>
> Being a doubting Thomas, I tried what he recommended and low and
> behold it started right up. I asked Jim to explain. He said the K-2
> relay is week and the jumper energized through the jumper direct to
> the coil allowed the necessary voltage to allow everything else to
> spark and work well. OK!!!
>
> Worked for me, give it a try. Good luck.
> --
> Mike Thomas
> Troy, MI
> 77 ex Palm Beach, 77 Purple ex Palm Beach, 77 Royale (rear bath)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120532 is a reply to message #120527] |
Fri, 01 April 2011 19:51 |
Kingsley Coach
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Netters
I really appreciate the response..
Now to this poing I know the following:
I ended up having to jump 9 and 11 and eventually got it started...after the
usual claaning points and plugs
It runs fine But when the jumper is removed it dies...according to
some manual this is supposed to indicate the K2 contacts as being
defective.
Now what?
Also, when playing at it, it appears the nose started bushing came out from
wear as it droped down to the screen. The starter will start the Onan, but
makes one terrible sound just after starting ...much like the drive spring
was not returning in time. So where does one get starter bushings for this
baby?
So this is is where I am right now...more as I make the discoveries..
Mike...enjoying the Onan problem in 84* weather..this is Not
Antigonish...<g>
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> It is probably not the relay that is weak but it if likely that the
> electrolytic capacitor in the circuit is going bad.
>
> If you remove the circuit and look at the capacitors you will probably
> see some whitish powder by the wire going into the capacitor. This is
> leakage from the capacitor. If you solder in a new capacitor it will
> probably work fine. Be sure to get the polarity of the capacitor
> correct.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas Mike <mthomas@wideopenwest.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > This sounded crazy to me but it worked. Generator ran fine. I turned
> > it off and a few minutes later tried to restart. Cranked but would
> > not fire off. Pulled coil wire, pulled plugs but no spark. Cranked
> > it again and again and no start. So I gave up and called Jim Bounds.
> >
> > He said to jumper from the hot on the starter to the coil, three
> > wire side. Listen to see if the fuel pump comes on and primes. I
> > again stated that it was not fuel it was spark. He said he knew but
> > humor him. He said to start the generator with the jumper in place.
> > If it starts, remove the jumper.
> >
> > Being a doubting Thomas, I tried what he recommended and low and
> > behold it started right up. I asked Jim to explain. He said the K-2
> > relay is week and the jumper energized through the jumper direct to
> > the coil allowed the necessary voltage to allow everything else to
> > spark and work well. OK!!!
> >
> > Worked for me, give it a try. Good luck.
> > --
> > Mike Thomas
> > Troy, MI
> > 77 ex Palm Beach, 77 Purple ex Palm Beach, 77 Royale (rear bath)
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1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120535 is a reply to message #120532] |
Fri, 01 April 2011 20:23 |
MikeT
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Are you using the remote start button or the start button on the Onan? I found that the start button on my Onan does not return to the neutral position. I manually put it back to neutral.
I was going to ask folks if that can be lubricated and with what; just an electrical contact cleaner maybe.
Mike Thomas
Marine City, MI
77 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120538 is a reply to message #120532] |
Fri, 01 April 2011 20:32 |
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| Kingsley Coach wrote on Fri, 01 April 2011 17:51 |
Netters
I really appreciate the response..
Now to this poing I know the following:
I ended up having to jump 9 and 11 and eventually got it started...after the
usual claaning points and plugs
It runs fine But when the jumper is removed it dies...according to
some manual this is supposed to indicate the K2 contacts as being
defective.
Now what? ....
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Mike,
As long as you are sure the problem is the control board... (not lack of oil pressure or the like) there is an easy way to get back the push button controls.
It DOES bypass ALL the safety features of the control board, so use it carefully.
Take one female terminal and crimp a short piece of wire. (Less than one inch.) On the lower part of the board there is an unused connection #6... use the jumper to jump #6 to the used pin right next to it... I think it is #9. (The number is worn of the board on my desk. It is NOT #10 on the corner of the board.) Just disconnect #9 and reconnect with the jumper wire inside.
Anyway with these pins jumped, the Onan should start and stop with the switches (even the inside switches) as normal.
Be aware that it will NOT shutdown the ignition for any reason other than being shut off by the switch. (ie: if it runs out of gas, just didn't stay running when started, runs out of oil or ect.) You can burn you points. (or early style pentronics module.) I have also had some interesting back fires while working on it.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120552 is a reply to message #120504] |
Sat, 02 April 2011 06:59 |
Steven Ferguson
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Mike,
Let me know if it's the circuit board. I have a brand new Simmons
replacement just sitting in the shop.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Kingsley Coach <kingsleygmc@gmail.com>wrote:
> Netters
>
> Arrived in LasCruces, NM yesterday and I couldn't wait to report that I had
> a trouble free trip..with the exception of a squeeking furnace fan, but I'm
> afraid I cannot do that.
> An hour after arrival I had the overhead air on and the generator suddenly
> died. I immediately restarted but it died again and wouldn't restart. I
> checked the oil level and added a necessary quart, but still no start.
> I checked the points and no fire..
>
> Is there a trouble shooting guide on line somewhere where I can track the
> problem and solve it ?
>
> Thanks guys...
>
> Mike in Las Cruces
>
> --
> Michael Beaton
> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120555 is a reply to message #120552] |
Wed, 09 March 2011 08:33 |
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Good morning from El Paso
I also have a simons board in my shop and you are welcome to see if it does
the trick. Let me know Marcel 915 474-0988
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 03:59
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem
> Mike,
> Let me know if it's the circuit board. I have a brand new Simmons
> replacement just sitting in the shop.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Kingsley Coach
> <kingsleygmc@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Netters
>>
>> Arrived in LasCruces, NM yesterday and I couldn't wait to report that I
>> had
>> a trouble free trip..with the exception of a squeeking furnace fan, but
>> I'm
>> afraid I cannot do that.
>> An hour after arrival I had the overhead air on and the generator
>> suddenly
>> died. I immediately restarted but it died again and wouldn't restart. I
>> checked the oil level and added a necessary quart, but still no start.
>> I checked the points and no fire..
>>
>> Is there a trouble shooting guide on line somewhere where I can track
>> the
>> problem and solve it ?
>>
>> Thanks guys...
>>
>> Mike in Las Cruces
>>
>> --
>> Michael Beaton
>> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
>> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
>> Antigonish, NS
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> --
> Steve Ferguson
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem [message #120556 is a reply to message #120552] |
Wed, 09 March 2011 08:34 |
mjbourgon
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Good mornig from El Paso,
I also have a simons board in my shop and you are welcome to see if it does
the trick. Let me know if you would like to try it
Marcel 915 474-0988
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 03:59
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Current location...plus Onan problem
> Mike,
> Let me know if it's the circuit board. I have a brand new Simmons
> replacement just sitting in the shop.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Kingsley Coach
> <kingsleygmc@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Netters
>>
>> Arrived in LasCruces, NM yesterday and I couldn't wait to report that I
>> had
>> a trouble free trip..with the exception of a squeeking furnace fan, but
>> I'm
>> afraid I cannot do that.
>> An hour after arrival I had the overhead air on and the generator
>> suddenly
>> died. I immediately restarted but it died again and wouldn't restart. I
>> checked the oil level and added a necessary quart, but still no start.
>> I checked the points and no fire..
>>
>> Is there a trouble shooting guide on line somewhere where I can track
>> the
>> problem and solve it ?
>>
>> Thanks guys...
>>
>> Mike in Las Cruces
>>
>> --
>> Michael Beaton
>> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
>> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
>> Antigonish, NS
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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>
>
>
> --
> Steve Ferguson
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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