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Sun, 27 February 2011 12:59  |
lance
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First of all, thanks for all the suggestions. Here is what I have encountered so far: An oil pressure switch is not an oil pressure switch. There are multiple styles, most with one wire, so a part number or application would narrow it down. Also, a block off plate for the Olds 455 style fuel pump is not listed in any book at my local auto parts store. Does one of the Jim's have these? This might be a good kit for someone out there to put together. I think this is an easy and in-expensive must-do for every coach owner.
I think I'll go with the center isolator post. That seems simpler and cleaner. The momentary button is needed either way. I presume the momentary 12 volt shot to the isolator won't hurt it.
P.S. Why do I always do these things on Sundays?
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116772 is a reply to message #116771] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 13:04  |
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did you look at this,,, part num and everything
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=19123
gene
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Lance <lance@vonprum.com> wrote:
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> First of all, thanks for all the suggestions. Here is what I have
> encountered so far: An oil pressure switch is not an oil pressure switch.
> There are multiple styles, most with one wire, so a part number or
> application would narrow it down. Also, a block off plate for the Olds 455
> style fuel pump is not listed in any book at my local auto parts store. Does
> one of the Jim's have these? This might be a good kit for someone out there
> to put together. I think this is an easy and in-expensive must-do for every
> coach owner.
>
> I think I'll go with the center isolator post. That seems simpler and
> cleaner. The momentary button is needed either way. I presume the momentary
> 12 volt shot to the isolator won't hurt it.
>
> P.S. Why do I always do these things on Sundays?
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116781 is a reply to message #116771] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 14:27 |
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Lance we have the covers in stock.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Lance <lance@vonprum.com> wrote:
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> First of all, thanks for all the suggestions. Here is what I have encountered so far: An oil pressure switch is not an oil pressure switch. There are multiple styles, most with one wire, so a part number or application would narrow it down. Also, a block off plate for the Olds 455 style fuel pump is not listed in any book at my local auto parts store. Does one of the Jim's have these? This might be a good kit for someone out there to put together. I think this is an easy and in-expensive must-do for every coach owner.
>
> I think I'll go with the center isolator post. That seems simpler and cleaner. The momentary button is needed either way. I presume the momentary 12 volt shot to the isolator won't hurt it.
>
> P.S. Why do I always do these things on Sundays?
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116782 is a reply to message #116771] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 14:31 |
Ken Henderson
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Lance,
Search Summit Racing for '75 Toronado, then at the bottom of the displayed
page, search "within results" for "block-off".
Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with two
holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to make it
prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
Ken H.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Lance <lance@vonprum.com> wrote:
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> First of all, thanks for all the suggestions. Here is what I have
> encountered so far: An oil pressure switch is not an oil pressure switch.
> There are multiple styles, most with one wire, so a part number or
> application would narrow it down. Also, a block off plate for the Olds 455
> style fuel pump is not listed in any book at my local auto parts store. Does
> one of the Jim's have these? This might be a good kit for someone out there
> to put together. I think this is an easy and in-expensive must-do for every
> coach owner.
>
> I think I'll go with the center isolator post. That seems simpler and
> cleaner. The momentary button is needed either way. I presume the momentary
> 12 volt shot to the isolator won't hurt it.
>
> P.S. Why do I always do these things on Sundays?
> --
> 1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116783 is a reply to message #116777] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 14:35 |
John Sharpe
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To hook-up the electric fuel pump (sic) I think I'll go with the center isolator post.
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You will need a manual bypass switch because if the alternator goes out the engine will die because the fuel pump will not have any power. It might not be apparent that your problem is a bad alternator when the engine does die. So you maybe out of commission until you get to that item on your diagnostic procedures.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
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| Re: More fuel pump questions [message #116784 is a reply to message #116771] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 14:46 |
lance
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Thanks again to everyone. Lot's of great tips, info and wisdom. Now, before I forget can someone send me a link to the Black List?
1974 Palm Beach
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| Re: More fuel pump questions [message #116785 is a reply to message #116771] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 15:04 |
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| lance wrote on Sun, 27 February 2011 10:59 |
... Also, a block off plate for the Olds 455 style fuel pump is not listed in any book at my local auto parts store. ...
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When recovering my '77 I found the fuel pump was bad. I would have had to wait 4 or 5 days for one. So I by-passed it and installed an electric pump. I just left the old pump in place to block the hole.
I am not sure if there is a down side to this, but the engine would LOOK cleaner without the old mechanical pump hanging there.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116786 is a reply to message #116784] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 15:00 |
Ken Henderson
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Like 'most everything else, go to www.bdub.net. If it's not there, there's
a link to it.
Ken H.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Lance <lance@vonprum.com> wrote:
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> Thanks again to everyone. Lot's of great tips, info and wisdom. Now, before
> I forget can someone send me a link to the Black List?
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| Re: More fuel pump questions [message #116788 is a reply to message #116771] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 15:34 |
Jim Wagner
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Ken, You make everything sound so easy. :>)
It would take me at least 20 minutes to remember why I am standing in the garage and another hour to find the steel. The drill bit wouldn't be a problem since I keep them in a can on a shelf some where in the garage. The drill press is too big to lose. Now, where do the holes go.
Did you say they had the plate at Summit.
Jim Wagner
Brook Park, oh
Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with two
holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to make it
prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
Ken H.
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| Re: More fuel pump questions [message #116798 is a reply to message #116788] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 17:03 |
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I have seen the plates at Jim K's, Summit Racing, and Dick Paterson. I also swear I have seen them at Advanced Auto.
I bought my oil pressure switch at AutoZone. I know Jim K. also has them. If you are ordering one you might as well just get the switch, block off plate and gasket Jim K. and be down with it. One stop shopping and the correct parts on the first try.
One minor change from Gene Fishers diagram on his site on the wire going to the starter solenoid.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=19123
If you you have an HEI ignition then there is an unused small terminal on the starter solenoid. Connect the pressure switch pump wire to the unused small terminal rather than to the big terminal going to the starter.
This will allow you to later add a fuel prime push button in the cab using only one wire.
If you have a points ignition you can still use that same terminal but it will have a wire on it going to the ignition resistor.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116843 is a reply to message #116788] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 19:08 |
Ken Henderson
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Oh, I didn't include all that exercise! The clock starts when I've got the
idea, material, tools, and energy all in one spot! I don't include the 3
days trying to figure out that I've got to make it, deciding how to measure
the hole spacing, finding the right chunk of steel in one of the 3, 4, ?
boxes of junk in the SeaLand container, or any of that non-productive stuff.
I figure everyone else has their act together enough to jump right in and
git'er done. I'm sure YOU do! :-)
Ken H.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jim Wagner <slwjmw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Ken, You make everything sound so easy. :>)
> It would take me at least 20 minutes to remember why I am standing in the
> garage and another hour to find the steel. The drill bit wouldn't be a
> problem since I keep them in a can on a shelf some where in the garage. The
> drill press is too big to lose. Now, where do the holes go.
> Did you say they had the plate at Summit.
> Jim Wagner
> Brook Park, oh
>
> Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with two
> holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to make it
> prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
>
> Ken H.
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>
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116846 is a reply to message #116792] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 19:20 |
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Buy everything you can at Summitt
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net> wrote:
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> lance wrote on Sun, 27 February 2011 15:46
>> Thanks again to everyone. Lot's of great tips, info and wisdom. Now, before I forget can someone send me a link to the Black List?
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> http://www.bdub.net/Black_List/GMCAssist.pdf
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116847 is a reply to message #116846] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 19:22 |
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Forget that snide remark, or take it for what its worth.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> lance wrote on Sun, 27 February 2011 15:46
>>> Thanks again to everyone. Lot's of great tips, info and wisdom. Now, before I forget can someone send me a link to the Black List?
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>> http://www.bdub.net/Black_List/GMCAssist.pdf
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116866 is a reply to message #116788] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 21:13 |
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Jim,
Take an old fuel pump or a good gasket and trace it onto your flat stock. I
was thinking of making a plate using 1/8" aluminum - because I have it. I'm
just not sure if it is heavy enough.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jim Wagner <slwjmw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Ken, You make everything sound so easy. :>)
> It would take me at least 20 minutes to remember why I am standing in the
> garage and another hour to find the steel. The drill bit wouldn't be a
> problem since I keep them in a can on a shelf some where in the garage. The
> drill press is too big to lose. Now, where do the holes go.
> Did you say they had the plate at Summit.
> Jim Wagner
> Brook Park, oh
>
> Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with two
> holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to make it
> prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
>
> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116867 is a reply to message #116866] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 21:24 |
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Tom, take a look at the final drive cover. It is a little heavier than 16
ga. The block off plate for the fuel pump only has to hold a gasket from
leaking and there is no pressure behind it. The crankcase is ventilated
through the valve covers. Use the aluminum if you have it, just deburr the
back side after the drilling so it sits flat, make a solid gasket and use
high tack. It won't leak unless the bolts come loose.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Take an old fuel pump or a good gasket and trace it onto your flat stock.
> I
> was thinking of making a plate using 1/8" aluminum - because I have it.
> I'm
> just not sure if it is heavy enough.
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jim Wagner <slwjmw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ken, You make everything sound so easy. :>)
> > It would take me at least 20 minutes to remember why I am standing in the
> > garage and another hour to find the steel. The drill bit wouldn't be a
> > problem since I keep them in a can on a shelf some where in the garage.
> The
> > drill press is too big to lose. Now, where do the holes go.
> > Did you say they had the plate at Summit.
> > Jim Wagner
> > Brook Park, oh
> >
> > Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with
> two
> > holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to make
> it
> > prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116869 is a reply to message #116867] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 21:32 |
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Jim,
Is there a market for these. I could get them cut on an X/Y axis cnc
machine.
Thanks,
Tom E.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:24 PM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tom, take a look at the final drive cover. It is a little heavier than 16
> ga. The block off plate for the fuel pump only has to hold a gasket from
> leaking and there is no pressure behind it. The crankcase is ventilated
> through the valve covers. Use the aluminum if you have it, just deburr the
> back side after the drilling so it sits flat, make a solid gasket and use
> high tack. It won't leak unless the bolts come loose.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > Take an old fuel pump or a good gasket and trace it onto your flat stock.
> > I
> > was thinking of making a plate using 1/8" aluminum - because I have it.
> > I'm
> > just not sure if it is heavy enough.
> >
> > Tom Eckert N2VWN
> > 73 Glacier
> > Oakland, TN
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jim Wagner <slwjmw@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken, You make everything sound so easy. :>)
> > > It would take me at least 20 minutes to remember why I am standing in
> the
> > > garage and another hour to find the steel. The drill bit wouldn't be a
> > > problem since I keep them in a can on a shelf some where in the garage.
> > The
> > > drill press is too big to lose. Now, where do the holes go.
> > > Did you say they had the plate at Summit.
> > > Jim Wagner
> > > Brook Park, oh
> > >
> > > Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with
> > two
> > > holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to
> make
> > it
> > > prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
> > >
> > > Ken H.
> > >
> > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116879 is a reply to message #116869] |
Sun, 27 February 2011 23:18 |
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Yes there is a market for these. Just do not make too many of them as most of the GMC vendors and the on line racing vendors already stock them.
I have seen them on the Jim K's table at every rally I have attended.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] More fuel pump questions [message #116935 is a reply to message #116866] |
Mon, 28 February 2011 12:09 |
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On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Take an old fuel pump or a good gasket and trace it onto your flat stock. Â I
> was thinking of making a plate using 1/8" aluminum - because I have it. Â I'm
> just not sure if it is heavy enough.
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jim Wagner <slwjmw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ken, You make everything sound so easy. :>)
>> It would take me at least 20 minutes to remember why I am standing in the
>> garage and another hour to find the steel. The drill bit wouldn't be a
>> problem since I keep them in a can on a shelf some where in the garage. The
>> drill press is too big to lose. Now, where do the holes go.
>> Â Did you say they had the plate at Summit.
>> Jim Wagner
>> Brook Park, oh
>>
>> Simpler, quicker, cheaper is a piece of 1/4"-5/16" thick bar stock with two
>> holes drilled in it. Maybe a little grinding, sanding & painting to make it
>> prettier, but still a 20 minute job, even with cutting a gasket to fit.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
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