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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #114525] Mon, 07 February 2011 21:47 Go to next message
David L Greenberg is currently offline  David L Greenberg   United States
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:51:38 -0600 Robert Peesel <thorndike@pldsllc.com>
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>
> But wood will deteriorate over time. Even if you used Lignum Vitae
> or some other hard wood.
>

I bought a rubber mat used in stables. Cut the mat into appropriate
sizes.......enough pads to supply all the GMCs within 100 miles. Try
Tractor Supply if you live near one.

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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320923 is a reply to message #114525] Sun, 23 July 2017 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've replaced body pads on three GMC's in the last 14 years. Never loosened any of the body mounts. As the pads are under a half inch. And your just putting the body back to were it originally was. I just raised the body with a floor jack. Just enough to slid the replacement pads in. Put them in dry. No glue. Never have had any of the pads move on any of the three GMC's. Took just over 90 minutes per GMC.

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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320926 is a reply to message #320923] Sun, 23 July 2017 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 23 July 2017 20:46
I've replaced body pads on three GMC's in the last 14 years. Never loosened any of the body mounts. As the pads are under a half inch. And your just putting the body back to were it originally was. I just raised the body with a floor jack. Just enough to slid the replacement pads in. Put them in dry. No glue. Never have had any of the pads move on any of the three GMC's. Took just over 90 minutes per GMC.

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I did mine the same way, but screwed the pads to the aluminum cross members with self tapping screws. The one pad that I did not screw in place has since turned about 30* on the frame. Next time I have the coach up I'll turn it back and add a couple screws. JWID


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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320930 is a reply to message #320923] Sun, 23 July 2017 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 23 July 2017 20:46
I've replaced body pads on three GMC's in the last 14 years. Never loosened any of the body mounts. As the pads are under a half inch. And your just putting the body back to were it originally was. I just raised the body with a floor jack. Just enough to slid the replacement pads in. Put them in dry. No glue. Never have had any of the pads move on any of the three GMC's. Took just over 90 minutes per GMC.

Bob Dunahugh

78 Royale.




I did the same thing. Only I did glue one side of the pads to keep them from shifting. I did not loosen or remove the donuts and hold downs. Jack up on each one, pull out the old and install the new. Sometimes one jack point will allow replacement of more than one pad. I can not see any problem gluing both sides.


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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320931 is a reply to message #320926] Sun, 23 July 2017 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We supply lot of them, and the feedback is always good. We encourage people
to screw it down. I think Bob D makes sure the frame and body is clean
before placing them.
Don'y forget to loosen the side step as lot have broken them in the process.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Larry wrote:

> BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 23 July 2017 20:46
>> I've replaced body pads on three GMC's in the last 14 years. Never
> loosened any of the body mounts. As the pads are under a half inch. And your
>> just putting the body back to were it originally was. I just raised the
> body with a floor jack. Just enough to slid the replacement pads in. Put
>> them in dry. No glue. Never have had any of the pads move on any of the
> three GMC's. Took just over 90 minutes per GMC.
>>
>> Bob Dunahugh
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> I did mine the same way, but screwed the pads to the aluminum cross
> members with self tapping screws. The one pad that I did not screw in
> place has
> since turned about 30* on the frame. Next time I have the coach up I'll
> turn it back and add a couple screws. JWID
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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320934 is a reply to message #320923] Sun, 23 July 2017 21:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GM glued the pads in to start with. That didn't work well. Larry's self tap screws is good extra protection. And not messy.

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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320935 is a reply to message #320934] Sun, 23 July 2017 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found that the self drilling screws that are used to attach metal roofing to metal supports work very well.

Emery Stora
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Frederick, CO

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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> GM glued the pads in to start with. That didn't work well. Larry's self tap screws is good extra protection. And not messy.
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Re: [GMCnet] : Body Pads [message #320941 is a reply to message #320934] Sun, 23 July 2017 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim K is correct that when I put them in dry. You must clean both the floor struts, and top of frame. Dirt, and dust can make a great lubricant. But that's what you should do any way. Plus, I'm a nut on cleaning, and painting everything on the underside.

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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320944 is a reply to message #320923] Mon, 24 July 2017 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

I bought two sets of 3/4" thick body blocks from Bert & Faye Curtis; that's what was installed in Double Trouble and will be
installed in The Blue Streak.

Faye is not in the vendor list on Bdub's website any more.

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Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads

I've replaced body pads on three GMC's in the last 14 years. Never loosened any of the body mounts. As the pads are under a half
inch. And your just putting the body back to were it originally was. I just raised the body with a floor jack. Just enough to slid
the replacement pads in. Put them in dry. No glue. Never have had any of the pads move on any of the three GMC's. Took just over 90
minutes per GMC.

Bob Dunahugh

78 Royale.
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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320950 is a reply to message #114525] Mon, 24 July 2017 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok so I know you guys had no trouble at all using a a jack of ones choice to lift each body joist up off the frame and replace the pads. For the rest of us who were not so lucky, here is my account / instructions on replacing the body pads.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5800-isolation-pad-installation.html





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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320952 is a reply to message #320950] Mon, 24 July 2017 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good Pictures and narrative.

Thanks Bruce.


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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320953 is a reply to message #320952] Mon, 24 July 2017 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yes thank you for the photos and the how to.

Now I assume the pads help keep the coach from rattling/vibrating down the road. How do you know you need to change them?


kelly


1978 Kingsley Putney VT
Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320957 is a reply to message #114525] Mon, 24 July 2017 07:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelly,
To check them just look underneath the body to check the ones you currently have. Many are mashed down to nothing or even missing altogether. If you are lucky, a PO has recently changed them and you are good to go.

Some mention they do not change the donuts at the front and the back. My feeling is, now you have new ones in the middle of the coach the end donuts are likely not carrying any weight or making the ends sag. I did not change my donuts but instead I removed the center bolt and added large flat washers under the donuts to make up the height difference.


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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320972 is a reply to message #320944] Mon, 24 July 2017 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Faye's info on bdub

http://www.gmcmotorhomemarketplace.com/curtis-unlimited/index.html

Dennis


USAussie wrote on Mon, 24 July 2017 00:18
Bob,

I bought two sets of 3/4" thick body blocks from Bert & Faye Curtis; that's what was installed in Double Trouble and will be
installed in The Blue Streak.

Faye is not in the vendor list on Bdub's website any more.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads

I've replaced body pads on three GMC's in the last 14 years. Never loosened any of the body mounts. As the pads are under a half
inch. And your just putting the body back to were it originally was. I just raised the body with a floor jack. Just enough to slid
the replacement pads in. Put them in dry. No glue. Never have had any of the pads move on any of the three GMC's. Took just over 90
minutes per GMC.

Bob Dunahugh

78 Royale.
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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #320976 is a reply to message #114525] Mon, 24 July 2017 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, just to make sure you have seen the placement diagram, mainly to identify any missing and also to note the double pads near the bogies.

http://www.bdub.net/curtis-unlimited/Body_Pads_Instructions.pdf


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Re: [GMCnet] : Body Pads [message #320983 is a reply to message #320941] Mon, 24 July 2017 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You need to see if there missing to start with. That's the issue. 73-74 used pads the length of the frame as I understand. Later GMC's used short pads. There located on the main steel frame at the aluminum floor cross members. GM glued them in to start with. The glue acted as a lubricant. Thus they fell out. You don't have to loosen anything to get the replacements in. As your just putting the body back to were it originally was. Some owners have put thicker pads in. I'll go with what GM recommended. Leave the wheels on the ground. You don't even have to get under the coach. Use a jack with a board on it. The body may make some sounds. That's OK. The pads are just under a half inch. Jim K at applied has them. Put them in dry. Or add a screw. Don't use an adhesive only. The pads get the body off the frameto reduces road noise.

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Re: [GMCnet] : Body Pads [message #320991 is a reply to message #320983] Mon, 24 July 2017 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's a lot of pads!

I'll add, "look for body pads" to my list for now.

thanks all!

kelly


1978 Kingsley Putney VT
Re: [GMCnet] : Body Pads [message #320998 is a reply to message #320991] Mon, 24 July 2017 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My 1975 Eleganza II with a May 1975 build date (NOT an early year build) has the single long pads each side and the tripod type mount for the front bolted mount. Don't really know when they changed to the multi pad design.
Hal


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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #321007 is a reply to message #114525] Mon, 24 July 2017 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm going to disagree with Bob on just jacking it up and ignore the sounds the body makes. I did that and heard a loud BANG, which I believe from the sag of the body and the ripples in the side-wall skin... was a body weld or 2 breaking.

Easy physics here... You have a frame sitting on torsion bars and air bags pushing up on the body. The only way the body is going to lift from the frame is either A) you lift the body until the suspension hits its limit (maybe 4-5" and you are now carrying 1/2 the body weight on a single stringer.. hence the noise) or B) you bend that stringer up at which time will it return to normal??.

After the BANG! I re-examined this from my farm-boy mechanic viewpoint. So I disabled the suspension from pushing up on the body by jacking the front up and setting the frame on jack stands and setting the rear onto my blocks under the bogies and releasing the airbag pressure. Now when I lifted the body, the frame stayed put. Then I lifted one side of the body up using several jacks front to rear and installed the new pads. Then I did the other side.

I put large body washers under the front and back donuts to compensate for the new pad height.

Unfortunately I still have the sag and ripples in the side panels.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6922-frame-sagging.html

Just my experience.


Bruce Hislop
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Re: [GMCnet] Body Pads [message #321022 is a reply to message #114525] Mon, 24 July 2017 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Thanks Bruce,

After using your installation instructions the rest of my pads went in very easily.

Jerry


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