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Fri, 04 February 2011 17:05  |
Bob Maxwell+
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Location: Belén, New Mexico
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The embers were finally out on my Wednesday night Virtual Campfire and the
temperature kept plunging here30 miles south of Albuquerque.
I awoke early yesterday morning and it was -15 and not a spigot in the house
had water flowing. Somewhere between our meter which is about 10' from the
street and 18" down and without any insulation 'cept the 2" plastic lid, we
were frozen solid. The NM Water Co service man came and told me the water
was frozen in the meter. He thawed it out. Still no water last evening and
it never got above +15 yesterday. Friday was to be warmer.
It turns out that the unused shed, the size of a "1 Holer" on the SE wall
has a tall metal cyl, that was originally installed at the same time as the
house was plumed. It did something but without any electricity or input of
chemicals.
The water from the street goes directly into the tank and then looped into
the top part of the tank and then into the house. It's old insulation
allowed the copper connections to freeze and one of them burst when it got
warm. I called the plumber's cell and the Water Co who sent a man to turn
it off at the street.
Dennis, our plumber, explained the setup but never has seen anything in all
his years like it. He replaced the split pipe and gave it a new connector
and put in a shutoff valve so we can shut the water off without calling the
NM Water Co. The shutoff is before the meter on their side. The cyl is about
15" in diameter. Do you have any idea what it is???
So, after 38 hours we finally have water again. A stream in the desert. . .
thank you Lord!
Adiós. . .
Bob†
Belen NM
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...Thank
you Jesus ...what a ride!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114238 is a reply to message #114226] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 18:40  |
GeorgeRud
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My brother's place in T or C managed to freeze and burst it's water pipes the other day. At least they didn't have to deal with 20" of snow.
However, Albuquerque had snow that just about shut things down (only 3" - we laugh at that amount around here).
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114248 is a reply to message #114226] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 20:03 |
Chr$
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Sounds like a pressure tank for a well. How old is the place? May have been on a well before city water was out there.
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114259 is a reply to message #114233] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 20:37 |
Bob Maxwell+
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I don't believe it was ever on a well.
Bob Maxwell†
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...Thank
you Jesus ...what a ride!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114271 is a reply to message #114259] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 23:41 |
Mitch
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If the house was far out on a main, it could have suffered poor water pressure, and a Po installed a pressure tank to even things out.
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114276 is a reply to message #114226] |
Sat, 05 February 2011 07:09 |
Steven Ferguson
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I hear you Bob,
We're having the same problem here. After Quartzsite and Casa Grande, I
emptied the holding tanks on our motorhome, but didn't drain the lines or
water heater. Everything froze. At the same time, we lost gas to most of
the city because the huge demand from El Paso and west. No heat, no
showers. Worse, the Weidner's coach is in our driveway and when I went out
to check on it, the water pump was condtinuously running. The small cube
heater was not keeping up with the cold. I spent all day yesterday thawing
lines in our coach, then the frozen hose bibs so I could fill our FW tank
enabling us to at least take showers. Finally got the tanks to take water
and talk about good fortune, no split lines.
The Weidner's are not going to be so lucky. Their HW heater tank or the
supply line has split so as soon as I turned on the water heater, water
started pouring out of the access panel. Everything froze in the coach,
toilet, sinks, and I'm sure the FW tank did also.
Larry, your windshield washer tank froze also and split. If it's an OEM
one, you might try Jim B for a replacement while your there.
Last night's shower felt as good as the first one I took after spending 120
days on the gun line in Viet Nam with no FW for crew hygiene.
Should start warming up around here today.
2011/2/4 Bob Maxwell+ <bmaxwell@unm.edu>
> The embers were finally out on my Wednesday night Virtual Campfire and the
> temperature kept plunging here30 miles south of Albuquerque.
>
> I awoke early yesterday morning and it was -15 and not a spigot in the
> house
> had water flowing. Somewhere between our meter which is about 10' from the
> street and 18" down and without any insulation 'cept the 2" plastic lid,
> we
> were frozen solid. The NM Water Co service man came and told me the water
> was frozen in the meter. He thawed it out. Still no water last evening and
> it never got above +15 yesterday. Friday was to be warmer.
>
> It turns out that the unused shed, the size of a "1 Holer" on the SE wall
> has a tall metal cyl, that was originally installed at the same time as the
> house was plumed. It did something but without any electricity or input of
> chemicals.
>
> The water from the street goes directly into the tank and then looped into
> the top part of the tank and then into the house. It's old insulation
> allowed the copper connections to freeze and one of them burst when it got
> warm. I called the plumber's cell and the Water Co who sent a man to turn
> it off at the street.
>
> Dennis, our plumber, explained the setup but never has seen anything in all
> his years like it. He replaced the split pipe and gave it a new connector
> and put in a shutoff valve so we can shut the water off without calling the
> NM Water Co. The shutoff is before the meter on their side. The cyl is
> about
> 15" in diameter. Do you have any idea what it is???
>
> So, after 38 hours we finally have water again. A stream in the desert. . .
> thank you Lord!
>
> Adiós. . .
>
> Bobâ€
>
> Belen NM
>
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
> body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...Thank
> you Jesus ...what a ride!"
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114285 is a reply to message #114276] |
Sat, 05 February 2011 08:13 |
gmcrv1
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Steve,
Where is here? Sounds real cold...
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> I hear you Bob,
> We're having the same problem here. After Quartzsite and Casa Grande, I
> emptied the holding tanks on our motorhome, but didn't drain the lines or
> water heater. Everything froze. At the same time, we lost gas to most of
> the city because the huge demand from El Paso and west. No heat, no
> showers. Worse, the Weidner's coach is in our driveway and when I went out
> to check on it, the water pump was condtinuously running. The small cube
> heater was not keeping up with the cold. I spent all day yesterday thawing
> lines in our coach, then the frozen hose bibs so I could fill our FW tank
> enabling us to at least take showers. Finally got the tanks to take water
> and talk about good fortune, no split lines.
> The Weidner's are not going to be so lucky. Their HW heater tank or the
> supply line has split so as soon as I turned on the water heater, water
> started pouring out of the access panel. Everything froze in the coach,
> toilet, sinks, and I'm sure the FW tank did also.
> Larry, your windshield washer tank froze also and split. If it's an OEM
> one, you might try Jim B for a replacement while your there.
> Last night's shower felt as good as the first one I took after spending
> 120
> days on the gun line in Viet Nam with no FW for crew hygiene.
> Should start warming up around here today.
>
> 2011/2/4 Bob Maxwell+ <bmaxwell@unm.edu>
>
> > The embers were finally out on my Wednesday night Virtual Campfire and
> the
> > temperature kept plunging here30 miles south of Albuquerque.
> >
> > I awoke early yesterday morning and it was -15 and not a spigot in the
> > house
> > had water flowing. Somewhere between our meter which is about 10' from
> the
> > street and 18" down and without any insulation 'cept the 2" plastic lid,
> > we
> > were frozen solid. The NM Water Co service man came and told me the water
> > was frozen in the meter. He thawed it out. Still no water last evening
> and
> > it never got above +15 yesterday. Friday was to be warmer.
> >
> > It turns out that the unused shed, the size of a "1 Holer" on the SE wall
> > has a tall metal cyl, that was originally installed at the same time as
> the
> > house was plumed. It did something but without any electricity or input
> of
> > chemicals.
> >
> > The water from the street goes directly into the tank and then looped
> into
> > the top part of the tank and then into the house. It's old insulation
> > allowed the copper connections to freeze and one of them burst when it
> got
> > warm. I called the plumber's cell and the Water Co who sent a man to
> turn
> > it off at the street.
> >
> > Dennis, our plumber, explained the setup but never has seen anything in
> all
> > his years like it. He replaced the split pipe and gave it a new connector
> > and put in a shutoff valve so we can shut the water off without calling
> the
> > NM Water Co. The shutoff is before the meter on their side. The cyl is
> > about
> > 15" in diameter. Do you have any idea what it is???
> >
> > So, after 38 hours we finally have water again. A stream in the desert. .
> .
> > thank you Lord!
> >
> > Adiós. . .
> >
> > Bobâ€
> >
> > Belen NM
> >
> > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
> > body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
> "...Thank
> > you Jesus ...what a ride!"
> >
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>
> --
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> Sierra Vista, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114298 is a reply to message #114285] |
Sat, 05 February 2011 10:14 |
Steven Ferguson
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Tom,
Sierra Vista, AZ. About 60 miles SE of Tucson. Apparantly, the outage has
hit Tucson too. Bisbee is a mess, a lot of the plumbing is ancient and
above ground.
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Where is here? Sounds real cold...
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I hear you Bob,
> > We're having the same problem here. After Quartzsite and Casa Grande, I
> > emptied the holding tanks on our motorhome, but didn't drain the lines or
> > water heater. Everything froze. At the same time, we lost gas to most
> of
> > the city because the huge demand from El Paso and west. No heat, no
> > showers. Worse, the Weidner's coach is in our driveway and when I went
> out
> > to check on it, the water pump was condtinuously running. The small cube
> > heater was not keeping up with the cold. I spent all day yesterday
> thawing
> > lines in our coach, then the frozen hose bibs so I could fill our FW tank
> > enabling us to at least take showers. Finally got the tanks to take
> water
> > and talk about good fortune, no split lines.
> > The Weidner's are not going to be so lucky. Their HW heater tank or the
> > supply line has split so as soon as I turned on the water heater, water
> > started pouring out of the access panel. Everything froze in the coach,
> > toilet, sinks, and I'm sure the FW tank did also.
> > Larry, your windshield washer tank froze also and split. If it's an OEM
> > one, you might try Jim B for a replacement while your there.
> > Last night's shower felt as good as the first one I took after spending
> > 120
> > days on the gun line in Viet Nam with no FW for crew hygiene.
> > Should start warming up around here today.
> >
> > 2011/2/4 Bob Maxwell+ <bmaxwell@unm.edu>
> >
> > > The embers were finally out on my Wednesday night Virtual Campfire and
> > the
> > > temperature kept plunging here30 miles south of Albuquerque.
> > >
> > > I awoke early yesterday morning and it was -15 and not a spigot in the
> > > house
> > > had water flowing. Somewhere between our meter which is about 10' from
> > the
> > > street and 18" down and without any insulation 'cept the 2" plastic
> lid,
> > > we
> > > were frozen solid. The NM Water Co service man came and told me the
> water
> > > was frozen in the meter. He thawed it out. Still no water last evening
> > and
> > > it never got above +15 yesterday. Friday was to be warmer.
> > >
> > > It turns out that the unused shed, the size of a "1 Holer" on the SE
> wall
> > > has a tall metal cyl, that was originally installed at the same time as
> > the
> > > house was plumed. It did something but without any electricity or input
> > of
> > > chemicals.
> > >
> > > The water from the street goes directly into the tank and then looped
> > into
> > > the top part of the tank and then into the house. It's old insulation
> > > allowed the copper connections to freeze and one of them burst when it
> > got
> > > warm. I called the plumber's cell and the Water Co who sent a man to
> > turn
> > > it off at the street.
> > >
> > > Dennis, our plumber, explained the setup but never has seen anything in
> > all
> > > his years like it. He replaced the split pipe and gave it a new
> connector
> > > and put in a shutoff valve so we can shut the water off without calling
> > the
> > > NM Water Co. The shutoff is before the meter on their side. The cyl is
> > > about
> > > 15" in diameter. Do you have any idea what it is???
> > >
> > > So, after 38 hours we finally have water again. A stream in the desert.
> .
> > .
> > > thank you Lord!
> > >
> > > Adiós. . .
> > >
> > > Bobâ€
> > >
> > > Belen NM
> > >
> > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
> > > body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
> > "...Thank
> > > you Jesus ...what a ride!"
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Ferguson
> > Sierra Vista, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114313 is a reply to message #114298] |
Sat, 05 February 2011 14:12 |
gmcrv1
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Steve,
Ok, I pretty much remember Sierra Vista from visiting my brother-in-law over
the years. Didn't know it had gotten that cold by you. Although my last
trip there was 20 years ago. I'm sure it has not changed - MUCH!
Hope things thaw quick.
Tom E
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> Tom,
> Sierra Vista, AZ. About 60 miles SE of Tucson. Apparantly, the outage
> has
> hit Tucson too. Bisbee is a mess, a lot of the plumbing is ancient and
> above ground.
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Steve,
> >
> > Where is here? Sounds real cold...
> >
> > Tom Eckert N2VWN
> > 73 Glacier
> > Oakland, TN
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I hear you Bob,
> > > We're having the same problem here. After Quartzsite and Casa Grande,
> I
> > > emptied the holding tanks on our motorhome, but didn't drain the lines
> or
> > > water heater. Everything froze. At the same time, we lost gas to most
> > of
> > > the city because the huge demand from El Paso and west. No heat, no
> > > showers. Worse, the Weidner's coach is in our driveway and when I went
> > out
> > > to check on it, the water pump was condtinuously running. The small
> cube
> > > heater was not keeping up with the cold. I spent all day yesterday
> > thawing
> > > lines in our coach, then the frozen hose bibs so I could fill our FW
> tank
> > > enabling us to at least take showers. Finally got the tanks to take
> > water
> > > and talk about good fortune, no split lines.
> > > The Weidner's are not going to be so lucky. Their HW heater tank or
> the
> > > supply line has split so as soon as I turned on the water heater, water
> > > started pouring out of the access panel. Everything froze in the
> coach,
> > > toilet, sinks, and I'm sure the FW tank did also.
> > > Larry, your windshield washer tank froze also and split. If it's an
> OEM
> > > one, you might try Jim B for a replacement while your there.
> > > Last night's shower felt as good as the first one I took after
> spending
> > > 120
> > > days on the gun line in Viet Nam with no FW for crew hygiene.
> > > Should start warming up around here today.
> > >
> > > 2011/2/4 Bob Maxwell+ <bmaxwell@unm.edu>
> > >
> > > > The embers were finally out on my Wednesday night Virtual Campfire
> and
> > > the
> > > > temperature kept plunging here30 miles south of Albuquerque.
> > > >
> > > > I awoke early yesterday morning and it was -15 and not a spigot in
> the
> > > > house
> > > > had water flowing. Somewhere between our meter which is about 10'
> from
> > > the
> > > > street and 18" down and without any insulation 'cept the 2" plastic
> > lid,
> > > > we
> > > > were frozen solid. The NM Water Co service man came and told me the
> > water
> > > > was frozen in the meter. He thawed it out. Still no water last
> evening
> > > and
> > > > it never got above +15 yesterday. Friday was to be warmer.
> > > >
> > > > It turns out that the unused shed, the size of a "1 Holer" on the SE
> > wall
> > > > has a tall metal cyl, that was originally installed at the same time
> as
> > > the
> > > > house was plumed. It did something but without any electricity or
> input
> > > of
> > > > chemicals.
> > > >
> > > > The water from the street goes directly into the tank and then looped
> > > into
> > > > the top part of the tank and then into the house. It's old insulation
> > > > allowed the copper connections to freeze and one of them burst when
> it
> > > got
> > > > warm. I called the plumber's cell and the Water Co who sent a man to
> > > turn
> > > > it off at the street.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis, our plumber, explained the setup but never has seen anything
> in
> > > all
> > > > his years like it. He replaced the split pipe and gave it a new
> > connector
> > > > and put in a shutoff valve so we can shut the water off without
> calling
> > > the
> > > > NM Water Co. The shutoff is before the meter on their side. The cyl
> is
> > > > about
> > > > 15" in diameter. Do you have any idea what it is???
> > > >
> > > > So, after 38 hours we finally have water again. A stream in the
> desert.
> > .
> > > .
> > > > thank you Lord!
> > > >
> > > > Adiós. . .
> > > >
> > > > Bobâ€
> > > >
> > > > Belen NM
> > > >
> > > > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved
> > > > body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
> > > "...Thank
> > > > you Jesus ...what a ride!"
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Sierra Vista, AZ
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Sat, 05 February 2011 14:52 |
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| gmcrv1 wrote on Sat, 05 February 2011 14:12 |
Steve,
Ok, I pretty much remember Sierra Vista from visiting my brother-in-law over
the years. Didn't know it had gotten that cold by you. Although my last
trip there was 20 years ago. I'm sure it has not changed - MUCH!
Hope things thaw quick.
Tom E
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Around here we insulate the water lines. Right now mine from the house to the barn hydrant are insulated with 6' of dirt and 3' of snow. SteveF - maybe you just need 3' of snow, and being from MN you know what snow is. <grin>
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] One needs water in the desert. . . [message #114441 is a reply to message #114226] |
Mon, 07 February 2011 11:09 |
Bob Maxwell+
Messages: 75
Registered: November 2010
Location: Belén, New Mexico
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>>Sounds like you had an Evis Water Conditioner installed at your place.
See: http://www.richardhouriganinc.com/pdf/1958AWWAlr.pdf.
Back in the 1950's this was the rage. It was suppose to "magically"
magnetically align the electrons of the hardness in the water so they would
not scale out in the pipes or stain the fixtures.<< Chet, NE PA posted here:
http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=40068.0
Chet, I think you have nailed it. It was probably one of the last such units
made and I'll see if I can find a label anywhere when it gets warmer.
Since it has no power to it and nothing added to the water flow, it fits the
description.
Son Scott Ross, told me yesterday aftn another reason why it probably was
not removed. Since we are on the upper slope of the east mesa, when water
was pumped up the pipes to the house it would drain quickly if there was a
loss of pressure until turned off at the house. By holding extra water
higher than all the spigots, that water would flow in quickly to replace the
water lost.
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