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| [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114104] |
Thu, 03 February 2011 20:53  |
Ken Henderson
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From Kim's earlier note, I don't guess there's any chance of me wienie-ing
out of my commitment to giving a seminar at Patterson. So, I'll start right
now begging for help: I put a Sanden clone compressor on the 455 a couple
of years ago, and moved it to the Cad500, so I'm not completely ignorant
about what I'm supposed to talk about (aside from what CRS has stolen). But
a lot more folks have done installations and may have comments I should
hear.
If you've installed a modern compressor, I'd sure appreciate hearing any
tips, suggestions, part numbers, model numbers, brand names, sources,
prices, etc. I'll meld all the information I can gather into something that
hopefully will enable others to do the upgrade with less floundering than we
did. What I'd REALLY like to hear is how to install the new compressor
using the GMC hoses, without alteration. I know Sanden makes a rear housing
that's compatible with the GM dual connector, but I don't know any specific
vehicle it's used on, nor do I know whether the GM hoses will work without
modification -- I suspect the shorter Sanden may make the hose routing a
problem.
HELP! Off-GMCNet, please.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114116 is a reply to message #114111] |
Thu, 03 February 2011 22:39  |
Ken Henderson
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Thanks, Sammy.
I'll try to remember to mention R134A in passing. But I'll be recommending
HC12A/Duracool since it's so much more efficient than either R12 or R134A.
Ken H.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Sammy Williams wrote:
> ...NAPA or a machine shop could make you a new line for the compressor to
> the coach. Make sure your new lines are set up for 134a as its the new
> freon.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114117 is a reply to message #114110] |
Thu, 03 February 2011 22:40 |
Ken Henderson
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Thanks, Larry,
If he doesn't chime in, I will.
Ken H.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Larry wrote:
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> Ken,
> I think Steve F may have worked out some of the problems. Maybe contact
> him?
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114120 is a reply to message #114104] |
Thu, 03 February 2011 23:11 |
Larry C
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HI ken
I had some major problems with my air system last year and ended up rebuilding the compressor manifold ( which I built from piping ). The compressor hose feeds into a filter/moisture remover, then into the manifold. The manifold has the pressure switch, a regulator, then a valve for the storage tank, connection to the GMC system then a valve that feeds a quick connect for air hose, in or out.
it is really simpler than it sounds. The compressor is behind the steering gear and the manifold is mounted next to it. The psi guage ( on the regulator ) is visible from the front grill and the vapor remover is in a clear bottle visible from the grill and a finger can press the schrader valve to drain it.
Most of the system is OEM or as I received it, I made few changes to it when I repaired the Compressor and made up the manifold.
It is easy to see the pressure from outside as is the moisture level in the clear bowl for draining.
Hope this is helpful....
Gatsbys' CRUISER  08-18-04
74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
Remflex Manifold gaskets
CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114123 is a reply to message #114120] |
Thu, 03 February 2011 23:24 |
Ken Henderson
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Whoa now! I'm not proposing to use a Sanden for an air compressor -- just
as an air conditioning compressor! (Though I do have one for that purpose,
maybe, some day, perhaps.)
But thanks for the info anyway. :-)
Ken H.
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Larry wrote:
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> HI ken
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> I had some major problems with my air system last year and ended up
> rebuilding the compressor manifold ( which I built from piping ). The
> compressor hose feeds into a filter/moisture remover, then into the
> manifold. The manifold has the pressure switch, a regulator, then a valve
> for the storage tank, connection to the GMC system then a valve that feeds a
> quick connect for air hose, in or out...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114127 is a reply to message #114123] |
Thu, 03 February 2011 23:43 |
Larry C
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LOL guess I misunderstood, thanks for the response
Gatsbys' CRUISER 08-18-04
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Remflex Manifold gaskets
CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
http://www.gmceast.com/travel
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114141 is a reply to message #114137] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 08:22 |
Ken Henderson
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Hardie,
Unfortunately, illogically, and absurdly, you're probably right. But this
is not the place for a tirade about the misuse of government power so I'll
leave it at that. :-(
Ken H.
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Hardie Johnson wrote:
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> Not trying to start a fight here, but I would suggest you not publicly
> advocate hydrocarbon based refrigerants.
> I'm not arguing the merits, just saying that advocating a position contrary
> to Federal regulations may not be a good idea.
> http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/hc-12a.html
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114202 is a reply to message #114141] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 14:22 |
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Ken,
It is interesting to note that the Australian Government requires that any
vehicle imported into Australia that has air conditioning has a system that
is open to the atmosphere. As I understand it you must have removed a hose
or component to prove that there is absolutely no gas of any kind in the
system.
Furthermore there is a company here called HyChill that actively markets
hydrocarbon based A/C gas:
http://www.hychill.com.au/
If you click on the link above you will note on the right side of the page
there are links that change under HyChill News. The links lead you to a risk
assessment studies.
Guess the Australian Government is smarter than the American Government;
probably because being upside down causes the blood to flow to their heads
rather than their feet! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors
Hardie,
Unfortunately, illogically, and absurdly, you're probably right. But this
is not the place for a tirade about the misuse of government power so I'll
leave it at that. :-(
Ken H.
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Hardie Johnson wrote:
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> Not trying to start a fight here, but I would suggest you not publicly
> advocate hydrocarbon based refrigerants.
> I'm not arguing the merits, just saying that advocating a position
contrary
> to Federal regulations may not be a good idea.
> http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/hc-12a.html
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114220 is a reply to message #114202] |
Fri, 04 February 2011 16:25 |
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Saying the Aussie gummint is smarter than
the US gummint isn't really saying much!
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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:22:19 +1100
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors
>
> Ken,
>
> It is interesting to note that the Australian Government requires that any
> vehicle imported into Australia that has air conditioning has a system that
> is open to the atmosphere. As I understand it you must have removed a hose
> or component to prove that there is absolutely no gas of any kind in the
> system.
>
> Furthermore there is a company here called HyChill that actively markets
> hydrocarbon based A/C gas:
>
> http://www.hychill.com.au/
>
> If you click on the link above you will note on the right side of the page
> there are links that change under HyChill News. The links lead you to a risk
> assessment studies.
>
> Guess the Australian Government is smarter than the American Government;
> probably because being upside down causes the blood to flow to their heads
> rather than their feet! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:23 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors
>
> Hardie,
>
> Unfortunately, illogically, and absurdly, you're probably right. But this
> is not the place for a tirade about the misuse of government power so I'll
> leave it at that. :-(
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Hardie Johnson wrote:
>
> >
> > Not trying to start a fight here, but I would suggest you not publicly
> > advocate hydrocarbon based refrigerants.
> > I'm not arguing the merits, just saying that advocating a position
> contrary
> > to Federal regulations may not be a good idea.
> > http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/hc-12a.html
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114287 is a reply to message #114237] |
Sat, 05 February 2011 08:39 |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 18:35 |
Canberra's just a lot farther from Dupont's home in Delaware than is DC.
Ken H.
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Bingo - Ken H. gets the prize in this session of the "follow the money" quiz.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors [message #114323 is a reply to message #114287] |
Sat, 05 February 2011 17:35 |
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USAussie
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Steve,
Don't kid yourself, there's lots of pollies here that leave public service
get fat paying jobs with private companies.
The most recent that comes to mind is Bob Carr, Premier (Governor) of New
South Wales. He pushed through the Cross City Tunnel (allows you to go under
the Sydney CBD to get to the Eastern Suburbs. The tunnel was financed by
Macquarie Bank. When he left office (before the tunnel was finished) guess
who he went to work for as a "consultant."
The funny bit is that the tunnel went belly up! The numbers predicted that
would use it never materialized. Yes, Bob still has his job!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 1:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sanden (or Clone) A/C Compressors
Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 18:35
> Canberra's just a lot farther from Dupont's home in Delaware than is DC.
>
> Ken H.
Bingo - Ken H. gets the prize in this session of the "follow the money"
quiz.
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Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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