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Big Twinkie Pics [message #112372]

Tue, 18 January 2011 21:37

pbrownsd

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Here's the link:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5692

1976 Glenbrook Hayden, ID

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112374 is a reply to message #112372]

Tue, 18 January 2011 21:55

Kosier

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Pete,

Looking at those pics, you had the jeep way too far forward on
the trailer. That gave you too much tongue weight and picked
the nose of the coach up too much. You'll like it much better
without the trailer.

Gary Kosier
77EII & 77PB
Newark, Ohio

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Subject: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112382 is a reply to message #112374]

Tue, 18 January 2011 23:22

WD0AFQ

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Dang, I bet that thing was hard to handle trying to run the speed limit. Give it a try without the trailer, if you haven't already.
Glad you are home. Welcome to our group.
Dan,
living it up in Quartzsite

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112391 is a reply to message #112382]

Wed, 19 January 2011 08:33

Chr$

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Wow, that does look like a twinkie!

welcome to the nuthouse.

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Scottsdale, AZ

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Re: Big Twinkie Pics [message #112392 is a reply to message #112372]

Wed, 19 January 2011 08:53

jknezek

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Looks like my Glenbrook. Paint seems to be at about the same stage, although we refer to it as baby puke instead of twinkie colored. That must have been one heavy load hanging off the back. I can guarantee you'll enjoy it more when you've got it unloaded. Also agree you were loading up the tongue and picking up the front end. Trailer like that again and I'd move the Jeep way back on the trailer.

Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112394 is a reply to message #112392]

Wed, 19 January 2011 09:10

Ken Henderson

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C'mon, y'all give him a break. Better a little tongue heavy and steady than
tail heavy and swaying -- that can get REALLY scary -- and uncontrollable.

Ken H.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jeremy wrote:

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> ... Also agree you were loading up the tongue and picking up the front end.
> Trailer like that again and I'd move the Jeep way back on the trailer.
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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112396 is a reply to message #112394]

Wed, 19 January 2011 09:25

cbwoodsr

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Kinda of a rule of thumb...
center trailer load over trailer wheels.
everything else will work out.

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112399 is a reply to message #112396]

Wed, 19 January 2011 09:37

k2gkk

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For best and safest handling of the combined vehicle,
trailer tongue weight should be approximately 10% of
the total weight of the trailer AND its load combined.

More tends to lift the nose of the towing vehicle to
make handling squirrely and less tends to add to a
tendency of the trailer to sway!

The air suspension of the GMC makes it easier to set
the coach's ride angle to "normal" with the trailer
attached. This will minimize the "lightness" of the
front end to a great extent.

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:25:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics
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> Kinda of a rule of thumb...
> center trailer load over trailer wheels.
> everything else will work out.
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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112400 is a reply to message #112399]

Wed, 19 January 2011 09:45

Carl S.

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I just copied and pasted an earlier post about the trailer towing:

Pete,

I tow a Jeep, on a trailer, with my GMC too:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=34785&title=towing&cat=5523

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=37015&title=jeep7e-2300-23-2c-trailer&cat=5523

If your front wheels are feeling a bit unloaded, you might want to adjust the position of the Jeep, on the trailer, so that you reduce the tongue weight somewhat. You should be shooting for around 10 % of the total weight on the tongue. I try to have no more than 350 - 400 pounds on mine and probably err on the light side. The coach tows the trailer just fine that way.

My combined weight of the Jeep and trailer is approx 3,800 - 4,000 pounds. I try to get 10% of that, or a little less, on the tongue. It works well.

Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member

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Re: Big Twinkie Pics [message #112409 is a reply to message #112372]

Wed, 19 January 2011 11:51

Dan Borlase

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Look'n good Pete...Good on ya man !

Dan

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Re: Big Twinkie Pics [message #112410 is a reply to message #112372]

Wed, 19 January 2011 11:53

pbrownsd

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The Jeep on the trailer was a one time event. I didn't have the time or funds to set it up for flat towing before we left to pick up the GMC.

You're right about it being to far forward. I didn't think about moving it back to allow more load on the front. I have had a nasty experience with too much weight too far back on a trailer so I was trying to avoid that. This being front wheel drive does change things though. If I do use the Jeep as a towd, I will get the proper tow bar and brake equipment.

I'm so glad to have this thing home and safe. What a trip.

Pete

1976 Glenbrook Hayden, ID

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Re: Big Twinkie Pics [message #112411 is a reply to message #112410]

Wed, 19 January 2011 12:57

Carl S.

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Pete,

I know several people who flat tow a JK successfully. It is still a bit heavy (according to conventional wisdom here, anyway) but can easily be done, and you get rid of the extra weight of the trailer. I have towed my XJ which is a little lighter, with no problems and have recently switched my towd to a 2003 four door Tracker at just under 3,000#. I am about to try towing it with my new 3.70 final drive for the first time, this weekend (to Quartzsite). Should make a big difference.

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112412 is a reply to message #112410]

Wed, 19 January 2011 13:22

Dennis S

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Pete,

What an adventure bring the coach home --- can't imagine blowing a tranny so shortly into the trip and then managing the replacement. And pretty innovative to find a way to fit the Jeep to the trailer. I can appreciate why you had some white knuckle moments.

Congratulations on the new GMC -- and thanks for taking us along on the trip!

Dennis

Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA

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From: Pete <pbrownsd@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics

The Jeep on the trailer was a one time event. I didn't have the time or funds
o set it up for flat towing before we left to pick up the GMC.
You're right about it being to far forward. I didn't think about moving it back
o allow more load on the front. I have had a nasty experience with too much
eight too far back on a trailer so I was trying to avoid that. This being
ront wheel drive does change things though. If I do use the Jeep as a towd, I
ill get the proper tow bar and brake equipment.
I'm so glad to have this thing home and safe. What a trip.
Pete
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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112418 is a reply to message #112410]

Wed, 19 January 2011 14:43

billearnhardt

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What a trip, WOW.
I purchased my 75 Eleganza 9/1/10 in Mesa Az., checked the oil, and drove it 800
miles home, I changed the oil, and then drove it 200 miles to Applied GMC, it needed 12K in safety repairs, glad I made it with out any problems.
---- Pete <pbrownsd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> The Jeep on the trailer was a one time event. I didn't have the time or funds to set it up for flat towing before we left to pick up the GMC.
>
> You're right about it being to far forward. I didn't think about moving it back to allow more load on the front. I have had a nasty experience with too much weight too far back on a trailer so I was trying to avoid that. This being front wheel drive does change things though. If I do use the Jeep as a towd, I will get the proper tow bar and brake equipment.
>
> I'm so glad to have this thing home and safe. What a trip.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112419 is a reply to message #112399]

Wed, 19 January 2011 15:07

USAussie

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Mac,

I built a 1969 VW Bug for Autocross Racing back in the 1970's which I left
with my Dad when I went to work in Paris for Hamilton Standard in 1978.

He had a 1968 Type III Squareback that he had setup to tow a trailer. He
noticed that the Bug had a hell of a lot more power than his Type III so he
moved the tow setup over to the Bug.

I came home to visit one trip and he told me how great it was to be able to
haul heavy loads. He went on to mention that the only problem he had was
when he would hit dips in the road he noticed that for some reason the
steering wheel would get real light a few seconds! The front wheels went
airborne!

I decided then and there to sell it before he got into a wreck and got hurt.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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From: D C *Mac* Macdonald

More tends to lift the nose of the towing vehicle to
make handling squirrely and less tends to add to a
tendency of the trailer to sway!

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112420 is a reply to message #112419]

Wed, 19 January 2011 15:33

WD0AFQ

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We are all glad that you have it home now. Most of us know some of what you felt. Life will get much easier now.
Dan,
sweating out here in the desert

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112507 is a reply to message #112420]

Thu, 20 January 2011 13:19

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I don't pull a trailer with the GMC, but I was wondering if anyone uses an equalizer hitch or does the air suspension preclude that? Just wondering. I seem to recall an SOB I had had some caution about using that kind of hitch. I pull the towed four down.
Jess Marker
Tacoma, WA
'74 Canyonlands..."the Great Pumpkin"

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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112526 is a reply to message #112507]

Thu, 20 January 2011 17:18

Ken Henderson

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Jess,

Towing 4-down, there's no need for an equalizer hitch.

The purpose of an equalizer hitch is to transfer some of the vertical hitch
load from the rear wheels of the tow vehicle to its front wheels. Since a
4-down tow bar places almost no vertical load on the tow vehicle, there's no
need for equalization.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jiffyjet2 <Jiffyjet2@aol.com> wrote:

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>
> I don't pull a trailer with the GMC, but I was wondering if anyone uses an
> equalizer hitch or does the air suspension preclude that? Just wondering.
> I seem to recall an SOB I had had some caution about using that kind of
> hitch. I pull the towed four down.
> Jess Marker
> Tacoma, WA
> '74 Canyonlands..."the Great Pumpkin"
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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112534 is a reply to message #112394]

Thu, 20 January 2011 18:17

jw mills

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I ended up doing a flat spin because I put the pickup a little too far
back on the trailer.
Luckily I wasn't driving the coach that would have been too exciting.
--
Jim Mills
Greeley, CO
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1973 Glacier 230 TZE-033V101993

On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:10 -0500, Ken Henderson wrote:

> C'mon, y'all give him a break. Better a little tongue heavy and steady than
> tail heavy and swaying -- that can get REALLY scary -- and uncontrollable.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> >
> > ... Also agree you were loading up the tongue and picking up the front end.
> > Trailer like that again and I'd move the Jeep way back on the trailer.
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Re: [GMCnet] Big Twinkie Pics [message #112558 is a reply to message #112526]

Fri, 21 January 2011 01:58

Jiffyjet2

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Ken,
Yes I understand the concept. I use an equalizer when I pull my car trailer with my Tahoe. I was just wondering if anyone used one when towing with a GMC. Theoretically, one could just inflate the airbags to compensate for the weight on the rear.
Just wondering.
Jess Marker
Tacoma, WA
'74 Canyonlands "the Great Pumpkin"

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