| Possible engine and transmission [message #110703] |
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Hardie Johnson
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There is a vehicle with a Toronado drive train for sale on eBay, item # 230568614768 . It is called "Cimbria Kit Car Sterling Olds 455 One Of A Kind"
Kind of a nice cover to keep it out of the rain until you get it installed.
Hardie Johnson "Crashj"
1973 26 foot Glacier, White Thing
Raleigh NC
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| Re: Possible engine and transmission [message #111170 is a reply to message #110703] |
Thu, 06 January 2011 23:25  |
Firefly
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That is one fugly beastie! I saw a TV show about Chip Foose re-booting an old Hot Wheels vehicle called "Deora", a George Barris-style surfer's van/wagon that never existed in 1:1 form. He used a Caddy limo chassis w/fwd NorthStar drive train, but converted it to rear-power, locking the steerable axles (centered, of course).
I always thought that drivetrain had a shot at replacing the GMC coach set because it looked like it would fit, being a transverse engine fwd setup and heavy enough to handle the heavy-armor of the official US Presidential limo. I think JB told me someone had wasted a lot of money on trying, though and forgot about it until now.
Didn't JK transplant a diesel into a coach last year?
Mark Scoble, Lunenburg, MA - 1973 23' Palm Beach Stretched to 32' and in residence at the GMC Co-Op in Orlando, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible engine and transmission [message #111187 is a reply to message #111170] |
Fri, 07 January 2011 06:51 |
powerjon
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Yes, Mark there was a guy in Florida that spent almost 2 years (This
was 5 or 6 years ago) working to get the Northstar drive train to
adapt into the GMC front clip. Couldn't overcome all the issues of
make everything fit and work. As I remember steering clearance was a
real problem. Again it is only money to make something work. Jim
has a test 23 using a SB GM gas motor with a 4.10 final drive that he
is experimenting with to see if a viable option.
JR Wright
On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Mark Scoble wrote:
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> That is one fugly beastie! I saw a TV show about Chip Foose re-
> booting an old Hot Wheels vehicle called "Deora", a George Barris-
> style surfer's van/wagon that never existed in 1:1 form. He used a
> Caddy limo chassis w/fwd NorthStar drive train, but converted it to
> rear-power, locking the steerable axles (centered, of course).
>
> I always thought that drivetrain had a shot at replacing the GMC
> coach set because it looked like it would fit, being a transverse
> engine fwd setup and heavy enough to handle the heavy-armor of the
> official US Presidential limo. I think JB told me someone had
> wasted a lot of money on trying, though and forgot about it until now.
>
> Didn't JK transplant a diesel into a coach last year?
> --
> Mark Scoble, Augusta, Maine - 1973 23' Palm Beach Stretched to 32'
> and undergoing complete renovation at the GMC Co-Op
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> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible engine and transmission [message #111221 is a reply to message #111187] |
Fri, 07 January 2011 11:09 |
Ken Henderson
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Apparently Pete Papas isn't monitoring right now. About 6 years ago,
before he sold his latest GMC and started on the RTS, he bought a
Northstar drive train and a GMC front clip. Did a lot of research,
locating sources for reprogramming, new axle shafts, etc., etc.
Decided that the engine and gearing could be made to work. But the
front frame would have had to be VERY extensively modified --
essentially redesigned and built. I spent a little time with him
pondering the hardware. I couldn't see any hope for a reasonable
installation. He, wisely in my opinion, abandoned the project before
cutting metal.
Ken H.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:51 AM, John Wright <powerjon@chartermi.net> wrote:
> Yes, Mark there was a guy in Florida that spent almost 2 years (This
> was 5 or 6 years ago) working to get the Northstar drive train to
> adapt into the GMC front clip. Couldn't overcome all the issues of
> make everything fit and work. As I remember steering clearance was a
> real problem...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible engine and transmission [message #111272 is a reply to message #111221] |
Fri, 07 January 2011 20:30 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Apparently Pete Papas isn't monitoring right now. About 6 years ago,
before he sold his latest GMC and started on the RTS, he bought a
Northstar drive train and a GMC front clip. Did a lot of research,
locating sources for reprogramming, new axle shafts, etc., etc.
Decided that the engine and gearing could be made to work. But the
front frame would have had to be VERY extensively modified --
essentially redesigned and built. I spent a little time with him
pondering the hardware. I couldn't see any hope for a reasonable
installation. He, wisely in my opinion, abandoned the project before
cutting metal.
Ken H.
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I remember that Ken, but I thought that was a side winder not a later fore-aft configuration which is a totally different configuration.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible engine and transmission [message #111315 is a reply to message #111274] |
Sat, 08 January 2011 08:07 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Harry wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 19:50 |
Northstar engines are sideways. They are not good engines. Most of them need lots of work after 100,000 miles. It is a modular block and they leak. The starter is under the intake manifold.
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They are transverse or fore-aft depending on the car. The redo around 2008 made a lot of improvements esp for leaks. You're right about the starter.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible engine and transmission [message #111318 is a reply to message #111315] |
Sat, 08 January 2011 08:27 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 07:07 |
| Harry wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 19:50 |
Northstar engines are sideways. They are not good engines. Most of them need lots of work after 100,000 miles. It is a modular block and they leak. The starter is under the intake manifold.
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They are transverse or fore-aft depending on the car. The redo around 2008 made a lot of improvements esp for leaks. You're right about the starter.
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OOps--the redo was 1998 not 2008
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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