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[GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 11:32 Go to next message
hnielsen2 is currently offline  hnielsen2   United States
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Netters;
Who is running with out the spare tire on your GMC and why are you not or why are you?
I'm thinking of removing ours.
To me it just a big chunk of you know what hanging on the back of our coach.
If I have a flat or blowout.
I can call for road service.
I can't remember the last time I had a tire problem.
May I'm a Lucky Duck!
Happy New Year
Thank You
Howard
Alpine Ca
74 Canyon Lands.
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109883 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have the 4 bag rear setup which enables me to run on one rear for
emergency situations, so no need for the spare.
JWID

Nelson Wright
Orlando FL
78 Royale rear bath

On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Howard and Sue wrote:

> Netters;
> Who is running with out the spare tire on your GMC and why are you
> not or why are you?
> I'm thinking of removing ours.
> To me it just a big chunk of you know what hanging on the back of
> our coach.
> If I have a flat or blowout.
> I can call for road service.
> I can't remember the last time I had a tire problem.
> May I'm a Lucky Duck!
> Happy New Year
> Thank You
> Howard
> Alpine Ca
> 74 Canyon Lands.
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109887 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hnielsen2 wrote on Mon, 27 December 2010 12:32

Netters;
Who is running with out the spare tire on your GMC and why are you not or why are you?
I'm thinking of removing ours.
To me it just a big chunk of you know what hanging on the back of our coach.
If I have a flat or blowout.
I can call for road service.
I can't remember the last time I had a tire problem.
May I'm a Lucky Duck!
Happy New Year
Thank You
Howard
Alpine Ca
74 Canyon Lands.


Howard,

If you are running 16" tires, go for it.
If you are still running 16.5", be aware that it could take you several days to get a suitable replacement.

The only time I changed a coach tire on the road was because we cracked a rim.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109889 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce is currently offline  Bruce   United States
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My rear wheel bearing went and the wheel got so hot the tire exploded...
the 4 bag wouldn't lift it in my case ... so I am keeping the spare.


In a message dated 12/27/2010 9:59:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
f25ccapt@gmail.com writes:
I have the 4 bag rear setup which enables me to run on one rear for
emergency situations, so no need for the spare.
JWID

Nelson Wright
Orlando FL
78 Royale rear bath

On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Howard and Sue wrote:

> Netters;
> Who is running with out the spare tire on your GMC and why are you
> not or why are you?
> I'm thinking of removing ours.
> To me it just a big chunk of you know what hanging on the back of
> our coach.
> If I have a flat or blowout.
> I can call for road service.
> I can't remember the last time I had a tire problem.
> May I'm a Lucky Duck!
> Happy New Year
> Thank You
> Howard
> Alpine Ca
> 74 Canyon Lands.
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109890 is a reply to message #109887] Mon, 27 December 2010 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you.
Yes we run 16" tires

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire?


>
>
> hnielsen2 wrote on Mon, 27 December 2010 12:32
>> Netters;
>> Who is running with out the spare tire on your GMC and why are you not or
>> why are you?
>> I'm thinking of removing ours.
>> To me it just a big chunk of you know what hanging on the back of our
>> coach.
>> If I have a flat or blowout.
>> I can call for road service.
>> I can't remember the last time I had a tire problem.
>> May I'm a Lucky Duck!
>> Happy New Year
>> Thank You
>> Howard
>> Alpine Ca
>> 74 Canyon Lands.
>
> Howard,
>
> If you are running 16" tires, go for it.
> If you are still running 16.5", be aware that it could take you several
> days to get a suitable replacement.
>
> The only time I changed a coach tire on the road was because we cracked a
> rim.
>
> Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109892 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Howard,
Tire problems and mechanical breakdowns rarely occur at convenient times or places.
I hit a piece of metal on I-5 at 10:30 p.m. Flatted one nearly new rear tire.
I was near Santa Nella (semi remote area).
AAA was there within 1/2 hour and we got my spare mounted. Continued on to Santa Nella and spent the night and next morning had to drive 80 miles to Fresno to the nearest Discount Tire to have the bad tire replaced under warranty.

That's the only tire problem I've had in nine years and nearly 80,000 miles in the GMC.

Had I not had a spare it would have been a lot more trouble and expense to continue my trip

I see no downside to carrying a spare.


Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109901 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I considered going without the spare, then I had a flat. Tore a chunk out of the sidewall, no way it was going to be patched. Can't imagine AAA getting me a new tire, mounting it, then putting it on. They'd have towed me to a repair shop and who wants to go through that. Changing the tire was a whole lot easier than road service. And, by the way, no way my quadrabag setup was going to let me drive anywhere.

I put on my spare and was on the way in about 30 minutes, not half a day.


Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG '73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'

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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109905 is a reply to message #109901] Mon, 27 December 2010 15:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 27, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Glenn Giere wrote:

>
>
> And no way my quadrabag setup was going to let me drive anywhere.

Maybe we will have to demonstrate how the quadbag is designed to
enable you to drive on five or for that matter four wheels. Your
system should have come with a manifold with shutoff valves that allow
you to lower the side, shutoff the bag with the flat, raise the coach
with the other bag, remove the flat tire/wheel and proceed with
caution to a tire shop. You don't even need a jack if the flat is
other than a front.
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109911 is a reply to message #109905] Mon, 27 December 2010 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am with you Nelson, we need to do that in La. at the convention. I witnessed the coach roll into Dothan on 5.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109924 is a reply to message #109911] Mon, 27 December 2010 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Or Quartzite. I would like to see that. I just Added a spar carrier and a spare. I cannot get my Quadra bag as high As I could get the old bags, and at 85psi, seems a bit stiff too.

WD0AFQ wrote on Mon, 27 December 2010 14:41

I am with you Nelson, we need to do that in La. at the convention. I witnessed the coach roll into Dothan on 5.
Dan



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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109925 is a reply to message #109905] Mon, 27 December 2010 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

The question in my mind is not with the strength of the QB it's the safety
of putting extra load on the remaining tire that is well above and beyond
the tires rating.

Here's a scenario for you. A GMC'er with a Royale (reportedly heavier than
other GMC's) suffers a blow out of his D Load range tire on the passenger
side rearmost tire.

He's one of those paranoid guys (like me) who carry all kinds of tools and
spares.

His wife treats their GMC like a home away from home and carries every
cooking utensil / implement / pot / pan imaginable along with souvenirs from
every trip they ever made. Too boot she's a dedicated follower of fashion
and carries and forty seven changes of clothes.

Who knows just how heavy this GMC is?

They're on a highly crowned road out in the middle of nowhere in Utah at
night during a rainstorm in late October.

He's a penurious bugger and likes to squeeze a nickel until the buffalo
bellows and his tires have great tread on them so why change them even if
they ARE 8 years old!

At any rate he gets the GMC stopped, goes out and quickly shuts off the air
to the rear bag (its' rainin' like a fat cow pissin' on a flat rock). He
gets back in and raises the air pressure on the passenger side front bag.

Along with it being cold, damp, and raining; like most of us old farts he
suffers from CRS and doesn't remember to pump up the middle tire (also over
8 years old) to the max pressure of 65 psi (D load range) so its not even at
the max pressure to carry the max load!

They set off down the road and even though he's driving slowly it is very
dark (no street lights) and he has problems seeing the road because of the
glare of oncoming vehicles through the rain spotted windshield and his
glasses. Even though the GMC has GREAT headlights he doesn't spot the
humongous pot hole on the soft shoulder side of the road. He hits it with
the passenger side front wheel which pulls the steering wheel to the right.
A couple of seconds later the middle tire hits it and goes BOOM! The rear
passenger side of the coach drops, the blown rear tire hits the ground, the
coach pivots on the two blown tires, and goes off the road. The drop off on
the soft shoulder side is severe and the coach rolls over. Fortunately they
both have their seatbelts on and survive but the coach is toast! Come to
think of it IIRC something like this has happened!

Here's a more morbid version if the blowout is on the driver's side:

They set off down the road and even though he's driving slowly it is night
and he has problems seeing the road because of the glare of oncoming
vehicles through the rain spotted windshield and his glasses. Even though
the GMC has GREAT headlights he doesn't spot the humongous pot hole on the
left side of the lane. He hits it with the driver's side front wheel which
pulls the steering wheel to the left. A couple of seconds later the driver
side middle tire hits it and goes BOOM! The rear driver's side of the coach
drops, the blown rear tire hits the ground, the coach pivots on the two
blown tires, and the GMC swings into the oncoming lane and is hit head on by
an oncoming 18 wheeler. Both the driver and passenger are killed instantly!

Obviously these made up scenarios are a product of my vivid (read sick)
imagination and highly unlikely to occur, HOWEVER as far as I'm concerned I
don't want to be the one to tell people it's OK to drive their GMC on one
rear tire!

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder

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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109930 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I carry 2 spare tyres, one on the back and one in the roof pod with 2 spare airbags.

If you are planning on changing your own punctures on the road, make sure prior that you can undo the lug nuts with a wheelbrace (unless you have a cordless impact) and that they havent been ridiculously overtightened by some goon in a tire store.


1976 23' GMCII By Explorer
Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109932 is a reply to message #109930] Mon, 27 December 2010 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dang Rob, you must be bored down there.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109933 is a reply to message #109925] Mon, 27 December 2010 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well,
As has been said there is no cure for "stupidity," but as was pointed
out it can be done and to proceed with "CAUTION" to a tire shop!

Nelson Wright
Orlando FL
78 Royale rear bath

On Dec 27, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:

>
> Obviously these made up scenarios are a product of my vivid (read
> sick)
> imagination and highly unlikely to occur, HOWEVER as far as I'm
> concerned I
> don't want to be the one to tell people it's OK to drive their GMC
> on one
> rear tire!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109935 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It amazes me as to how much crap and spare parts people carry. There is always FEDEX and UPS who can bring something to you from the Jims. I plan to be a minimalist when we travel. Spare tire and basic tools, of course, but most engine parts I need are an Autozone away, and there are always the Jim's for the GMC only stuff...

My 2 cents.


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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109936 is a reply to message #109935] Mon, 27 December 2010 18:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chris, it is amazing what I have taken out of this coach in the past 4 years, as far as spares and tools. I was amazed at how fast Jim K. got that governor gear to Dan when he broke down near Deming. I'd say it was less than 18 hours. I am sure it was an expensive part and one small enough that everyone should carry. Just saying, that over night stuff really works.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109939 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe I'm a little slow, but...I'm sure I read that the Quadrabag system
requires about 90psi to support a normal load. With one bag disabled wouldn't
it take about 180 psi to support the load? I think most compressors are limited
to maybe 125 psi. I can see where possibly you could raise the coach above the
normal height with a jack, pressurize the bag and then let it down to increase
the pressure. I must be missing something here.
Gary Casey

On Dec 27, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Glenn Giere wrote:

>
>
> And no way my quadrabag setup was going to let me drive anywhere.

Maybe we will have to demonstrate how the quadbag is designed to
enable you to drive on five or for that matter four wheels. Your
system should have come with a manifold with shutoff valves that allow
you to lower the side, shutoff the bag with the flat, raise the coach
with the other bag, remove the flat tire/wheel and proceed with
caution to a tire shop. You don't even need a jack if the flat is
other than a front.



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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109941 is a reply to message #109881] Mon, 27 December 2010 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I blew a non gmc tire on a holiday in the town of payson, az. The local tire shop wanted a crazy amt of money to get me a tire like $300 more then the tire was worth. I didn't have a spare and they couldn't get my size tire in their town for a normal price for 2 days. So we stayed at a hotel.

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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109946 is a reply to message #109941] Mon, 27 December 2010 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has anyone thought of carrying just a spare new tire without the rim? Think
of all the things you can stuff into a non-mounted tire!

Particularly if you are running an odd ball size tyre...



Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier - with 6 - 16" tires and 1 vintage -16.5"
Oakland, TN


On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:

>
>
> I blew a non gmc tire on a holiday in the town of payson, az. The local
> tire shop wanted a crazy amt of money to get me a tire like $300 more then
> the tire was worth. I didn't have a spare and they couldn't get my size tire
> in their town for a normal price for 2 days. So we stayed at a hotel.
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Re: [GMCnet] No Spare Tire? [message #109952 is a reply to message #109946] Mon, 27 December 2010 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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That's a good idea, but it doesn't help you if you if you are nowhere... It still takes up space, And if there is no rim, it takes up space Inside or in the pod.


gmcrv1 wrote on Mon, 27 December 2010 19:36

Has anyone thought of carrying just a spare new tire without the rim? Think
of all the things you can stuff into a non-mounted tire!

Particularly if you are running an odd ball size tyre...



Tom Eckert N2VWN
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Oakland, TN


On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:

>
>
> I blew a non gmc tire on a holiday in the town of payson, az. The local
> tire shop wanted a crazy amt of money to get me a tire like $300 more then
> the tire was worth. I didn't have a spare and they couldn't get my size tire
> in their town for a normal price for 2 days. So we stayed at a hotel.
> --
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