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[GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108549] Tue, 14 December 2010 09:01 Go to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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There are three things that will happen to the GMC owner.

Death, Taxes, and replacing the front wheel bearings.

Over the years, the GMC community has come up with 2 ways to stop the front
bearing replacement --- *forever*.

*One way* is to modify your front knuckles to have a zerk fitting to grease
the bearings, without removing them.

read the links here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#ZERK

When you have your bearings serviced, *do not do it without modifying or
replacing your knuckles*. All of our Vendors can do this...., and you can
do it your self.

Read here (page 109-3) as Emery describes how to do it your self, and how
the Timken Bearing Rep. says our bearings should last 1 million miles.

http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/Newsletters/109.pdf

*the second way* to never replace your bearings again ,is to install the
Hubler 1 ton truck bearings. This is not easy, so read the links.

Read the articles here:
http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#hubler

JMHO - Every GMC owner has to get this done and forget the GMC front
bearing replacement issue. We are going to run out of parts anyway.

good luck
gene





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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108554 is a reply to message #108549] Tue, 14 December 2010 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Terry Skinner is currently offline  Terry Skinner   United States
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We are not going to run out of parts in any of our life times. Just
don't throw away the old/broken parts. If any get rare someone comes
up with a way to fix the old ones. Look at what a business the two
Jims have created............Terry

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are three things that will happen to the GMC owner.
>
> Death, Taxes, and replacing the front wheel bearings.
>
> Over the years, the GMC community has come up with 2 ways to stop the front
> bearing replacement --- *forever*.
>
> *One way* is to modify your front knuckles to have a zerk fitting to grease
> the bearings, without removing them.
>
> read  the links here
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#ZERK
>
> When you have your bearings serviced, *do not do it without modifying or
> replacing your knuckles*.  All of our Vendors can do this...., and you can
> do it your self.
>
> Read here (page 109-3) as Emery describes how to do it your self, and how
> the Timken Bearing Rep. says our bearings should last 1 million miles.
>
> http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/Newsletters/109.pdf
>
> *the second way* to never replace your bearings again ,is to install the
> Hubler 1 ton truck bearings. This is not easy, so read the links.
>
> Read the articles here:
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#hubler
>
> JMHO -  Every GMC owner has to get this done and forget the GMC front
> bearing replacement issue.  We are going to run out of parts anyway.
>
> good luck
> gene
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
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> Alternator Protection Cable
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>
>
>
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108565 is a reply to message #108549] Tue, 14 December 2010 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
captjack is currently offline  captjack   United States
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What about using Chuck Aulgur's front bearing greaser?
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/885

Is this an acceptable alternative to drilling the knuckle and all the related work?


Jack Christensen - K6ROW, '76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet", Sebastopol, CA
Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108566 is a reply to message #108565] Tue, 14 December 2010 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene, you are correct. We have done #1. Now its time for #2. I think the Hubler is the way to go for Teri and me, based on our driving habits and skill level.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108567 is a reply to message #108549] Tue, 14 December 2010 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of my reasons for the above: I was able to get a spare everything, including built axles, for the front end except knuckles and hubs. My thoughts were to have the complete front end ready to put in should I or someone else need it. Boxed and ready for shipment. Too heavy to carry around. I think I could do it myself. I know I can maintain the Hubler myself. I am not buying it for the improved drivability as our's really can not drive any better than it does now. This just makes the most sense for me. I love the "modernized" GMC.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108570 is a reply to message #108549] Tue, 14 December 2010 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...
Read here (page 109-3) as Emery describes how to do it your self, and how the Timken Bearing Rep. says our bearings should last 1 million miles.

http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/Newsletters/109.pdf

Some of us aint members...


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108573 is a reply to message #108570] Tue, 14 December 2010 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CB,

That's easy to fix - Join! ;-)

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...
Read here (page 109-3) as Emery describes how to do it your self, and how
the Timken Bearing Rep. says our bearings should last 1 million miles.

http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/Newsletters/109.pdf

Some of us aint members...
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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108574 is a reply to message #108570] Tue, 14 December 2010 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 14, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Charles Wood wrote:

>
>
> ...
> Read here (page 109-3) as Emery describes how to do it your self, and how the Timken Bearing Rep. says our bearings should last 1 million miles.
>
> http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/Newsletters/109.pdf
>
> --
> CBWood


Some additional info about Timken Bearings can be found here:

http://www.gmcws.org/techcenter/01-06tc33.html

Emery Stora
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Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108575 is a reply to message #108574] Tue, 14 December 2010 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cbwoodsr is currently offline  cbwoodsr   United States
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Thankx Em...

raised another question tho..
any thing more on this? Dont remember reading about it before.
Course, I dont remember where I was going to either.....

.....Darren Paget's wheel stabilizers


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108582 is a reply to message #108575] Tue, 14 December 2010 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Charles Wood wrote:

>
>
> Thankx Em...
>
> raised another question tho..
> any thing more on this? Dont remember reading about it before.
> Course, I dont remember where I was going to either.....
>
> .....Darren Paget's wheel stabilizers
> --
> CBWood
> 77 Kingslay
> MWC OK


I don't recall hearing anything more about it. I don't think that he ever went into production before he closed his company.

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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108590 is a reply to message #108582] Tue, 14 December 2010 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emery,

For those of us "newbies" could you or one of the other "old timers" provide
some info on Darren's Wheel Stabilizers?

Thanks,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder

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On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Charles Wood wrote:

>
>
> Thankx Em...
>
> raised another question tho..
> any thing more on this? Dont remember reading about it before.
> Course, I dont remember where I was going to either.....
>
> .....Darren Paget's wheel stabilizers
> --
> CBWood
> 77 Kingslay
> MWC OK


I don't recall hearing anything more about it. I don't think that he ever
went into production before he closed his company.

Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108591 is a reply to message #108590] Tue, 14 December 2010 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Over the past 12+ years, I haven't missed many GMCNet postings. I don't
remember anything about "wheel stabilizers". CRS being what it is, I just
searched http://groups.google.com/group/gmcnet-archive too. It doesn't
remember the term either.

I wish someone would enlighten us.

Ken H.


On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Emery,
>
> For those of us "newbies" could you or one of the other "old timers"
> provide
> some info on Darren's Wheel Stabilizers?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108592 is a reply to message #108591] Tue, 14 December 2010 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,
The last thing that I recall that Darren was working on had to do with
a band that is installed inside the tire around the wheel to keep the
tire on the rim in the event of a tire failure. Can't remember what
they are called but they were a safety item for truck and bus
application.

Nelson Wright
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On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:

> Over the past 12+ years, I haven't missed many GMCNet postings. I
> don't
> remember anything about "wheel stabilizers". CRS being what it is,
> I just
> searched http://groups.google.com/group/gmcnet-archive too. It
> doesn't
> remember the term either.
>
> I wish someone would enlighten us.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Rob Mueller
> <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
>
>> Emery,
>>
>> For those of us "newbies" could you or one of the other "old timers"
>> provide
>> some info on Darren's Wheel Stabilizers?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rob M.
>> USAussie - Downunder
>>
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[GMCnet] GMC Motorhome International Club (was: million mile- front wheel bearings) [message #108597 is a reply to message #108570] Tue, 14 December 2010 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Charles

I can help with that. This link will get you in the saddle:
http://www.gmcmi.com/welcome.html

Support those who support you ... GMC Motorhome International Club

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-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Charles Wood

...
Read here (page 109-3) as Emery describes how to do it your self, and how
the Timken Bearing Rep. says our bearings should last 1 million miles.

http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/Newsletters/109.pdf


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108609 is a reply to message #108592] Wed, 15 December 2010 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nelson Wright wrote on Tue, 14 December 2010 18:07

... a band that is installed inside the tire around the wheel to keep the
tire on the rim in the event of a tire failure. Can't remember what
they are called but they were a safety item for truck and bus
application.


Sounds like something for the applications using the 15 degree bead seat tires/wheels. These tires have been known to come off of the rim after loosing air pressure.

Like most cars and light trucks, we use 5 degree seats. The tires are MUCH less likely to come off of the rim.

Only something to worry about if you have scrounged up some (very) old rims...


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How does Chuck Aulgur's front bearing greaser work?

Tks

Mike in NS





On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Nelson Wright wrote on Tue, 14 December 2010 18:07
> > ... a band that is installed inside the tire around the wheel to keep the
> > tire on the rim in the event of a tire failure. Can't remember what
> > they are called but they were a safety item for truck and bus
> > application.
>
>
> Sounds like something for the applications using the 15 degree bead seat
> tires/wheels. These tires have been known to come off of the rim after
> loosing air pressure.
>
> Like most cars and light trucks, we use 5 degree seats. The tires are MUCH
> less likely to come off of the rim.
>
> Only something to worry about if you have scrounged up some (very) old
> rims...
> --
> Mike Miller
>
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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108647 is a reply to message #108637] Wed, 15 December 2010 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kingsley Coach wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 17:03

How does Chuck Aulgur's front bearing greaser work?


The general idea:

Look at this picture:
<http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/885>

The round silver item is the greaser. You loosen the axle bolt and slide the CV joint inboard leaving a gap on the back side of the knuckle. Take the greaser apart and put the two halves together between the cv joint and the knuckle.

The tool will allow you to push grease into the bearings.

BUT... before you try this... You will need to follow the specific instructions from someone who has actually SEEN the tool... Twisted Evil

My personal thoughts are:

1.) If you have you knuckles apart, you should make sure the bearings and surfaces are very good -- then drill the knuckles for a zerk. Keep them greased and they should last "almost" forever.

2.) If you are doing a major front end rebuild, replace with a Hubler front end.

3.) If you do not have 1. or 2. on your list, use Chuck's tool. Pulling the bearings out is VERY hard on parts.


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108658 is a reply to message #108647] Wed, 15 December 2010 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2.) If you are doing a major front end rebuild, replace with a Hubler front end.


[/quote]

Mike, that is my thinking. I hope to have the GMC ready for another 20 years of enjoyment.

Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108670 is a reply to message #108647] Thu, 16 December 2010 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mike miller wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 20:40

Kingsley Coach wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 17:03

How does Chuck Aulgur's front bearing greaser work?


The general idea:

Look at this picture:
<http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/885>

The round silver item is the greaser. You loosen the axle bolt and slide the CV joint inboard leaving a gap on the back side of the knuckle. Take the greaser apart and put the two halves together between the cv joint and the knuckle.

The tool will allow you to push grease into the bearings.

BUT... before you try this... You will need to follow the specific instructions from someone who has actually SEEN the tool... Twisted Evil

My personal thoughts are:

1.) If you have you knuckles apart, you should make sure the bearings and surfaces are very good -- then drill the knuckles for a zerk. Keep them greased and they should last "almost" forever.

2.) If you are doing a major front end rebuild, replace with a Hubler front end.

3.) If you do not have 1. or 2. on your list, use Chuck's tool. Pulling the bearings out is VERY hard on parts.

does that tool get grease to the outer bearing? looks like the zerk would do a better job.


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Re: [GMCnet] million mile- front wheel bearings [message #108671 is a reply to message #108670] Thu, 16 December 2010 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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fred v wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 09:09

mike miller wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 20:40

Kingsley Coach wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 17:03

How does Chuck Aulgur's front bearing greaser work?


The general idea:

Look at this picture:
<http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/885>

The round silver item is the greaser. You loosen the axle bolt and slide the CV joint inboard leaving a gap on the back side of the knuckle. Take the greaser apart and put the two halves together between the cv joint and the knuckle.

The tool will allow you to push grease into the bearings.

BUT... before you try this... You will need to follow the specific instructions from someone who has actually SEEN the tool... Twisted Evil

My personal thoughts are:

1.) If you have you knuckles apart, you should make sure the bearings and surfaces are very good -- then drill the knuckles for a zerk. Keep them greased and they should last "almost" forever.

2.) If you are doing a major front end rebuild, replace with a Hubler front end.

3.) If you do not have 1. or 2. on your list, use Chuck's tool. Pulling the bearings out is VERY hard on parts.

does that tool get grease to the outer bearing? looks like the zerk would do a better job.








Good morning Fred: when I was bench checking my zerks before installing I did notice that the grease was coming out of both bearings about the same time but was more closest to the zerk. I felt more comfortable rotating the hub as I greased.


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