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Frank Condos is currently offline  Frank Condos   United States
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I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running again. The engine was installed and driven a little by the PO. I have taken the Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the . When I removed the carb I found a 1" phenolic spacer under the carb. A question, is this a standard installation? My parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I understand the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher hatch level. What have you non-efi owners found?

Frank Condos
Ahwahnee, CA
A running'76
A soon to be running '73 (I hope)
Re: Cad 500 Help [message #108498 is a reply to message #108496] Mon, 13 December 2010 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Frank Condos wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 17:33

I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running again. The engine was installed and driven a little by the PO. I have taken the Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the . When I removed the carb I found a 1" phenolic spacer under the carb. A question, is this a standard installation? My parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I understand the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher hatch level. What have you non-efi owners found?

Frank Condos
Ahwahnee, CA
A running'76
A soon to be running '73 (I hope)

my '76 has a spacer about 1/4" to 3/8".


Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
Re: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help [message #108502 is a reply to message #108496] Mon, 13 December 2010 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Frank,

My Cad500 was apparently pure stock '76 Eldorado when I got it -- with no
carb. spacer. But just to be sure, you need Gary Kosier's answer.

With my Holley TB, I've been able to keep the original hatch cover almost
stock without raising it. I use the Eldorado air cleaner. It was necessary
to elongate the cutout in the plywood toward the rear and install a new
aluminum plate on top. A small ball-peened dome at the highest part of the
air cleaner gives me 1/2" of vertical clearance -- maybe. I also cut out an
area over the distributor to be sure it won't hit.

However, since I use my own front motor mount, the engine may sit lower than
others.

Ken H

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Frank Condos <fcondos@sti.net> wrote:

>
>
> I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running again. The
> engine was installed and driven a little by the PO. I have taken the
> Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the . When I removed the carb I
> found a 1" phenolic spacer under the carb. A question, is this a standard
> installation? My parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I
> understand the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am
> questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher hatch level.
> What have you non-efi owners found?
>
>
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Re: Cad 500 Help [message #108508 is a reply to message #108496] Mon, 13 December 2010 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Wagner is currently offline  Jim Wagner   United States
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Frank,
I don't use a spacer under the carb on our Caddy. With the shorter air filter I don't have to raise the hatch. Photos at:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8288&cat=3736

Jim Wagner
Brook Park, oh
Re: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help [message #108518 is a reply to message #108496] Mon, 13 December 2010 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Condos" <fcondos@sti.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:33 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help


>
>
> I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running
> again. The engine was installed and driven a little by the PO.
> I have taken the Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the
> . When I removed the carb I found a 1" phenolic spacer under
> the carb. A question, is this a standard installation? My
> parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I understand
> the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am
> questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher
> hatch level. What have you non-efi owners found?
>
> Frank Condos
> Ahwahnee, CA
> A running'76
> A soon to be running '73 (I hope)

Frank,

From 1970 to 1980 Cadillac used part# 1494992 under the Q-Jet. A
thin little gasket. Someone was probably trying to
correct a heat problem caused by the heat riser valve in the RH
manifold frozen shut. Most of them are.

Gary Kosier

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Re: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help [message #108521 is a reply to message #108496] Mon, 13 December 2010 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Douglas Norton is currently offline  Douglas Norton   United States
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Nothing near 1" on mine.  It is a 73 stock 455.  I did find two thick spacers left over in my old rebuild kits. 

In my old age I clearly remember no 1" gasket or spacer.  With my memory, someone may well call me on this.  With regard to memory, I am like the blind man who said he could not see anything he could not see.

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Frank Condos <fcondos@sti.net> wrote:

From: Frank Condos <fcondos@sti.net>
Subject: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 3:33 PM



I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running again.  The engine was installed and driven a little by the PO.  I have taken the Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the .  When I removed the carb I found a 1" phenolic spacer under the carb. A question, is this a standard installation?  My parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I understand the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher hatch level.  What have you non-efi owners found?

Frank Condos
Ahwahnee, CA
A running'76
A soon to be running '73 (I hope)
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Re: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help [message #108531 is a reply to message #108518] Mon, 13 December 2010 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Change the exaust manifole to a non valved unit, then runa standard gasket.
If it has an EGR valve, remove it and cap it off.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Kosier <gkosier@roadrunner.com> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Condos" <fcondos@sti.net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:33 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Cad 500 Help
>
>
>>
>>
>> I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running
>> again.  The engine was installed and driven a little by the PO.
>> I have taken the Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the
>> .  When I removed the carb I found a 1" phenolic spacer under
>> the carb. A question, is this a standard installation?  My
>> parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I understand
>> the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am
>> questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher
>> hatch level.  What have you non-efi owners found?
>>
>> Frank Condos
>> Ahwahnee, CA
>> A running'76
>> A soon to be running '73 (I hope)
>
> Frank,
>
> From 1970 to 1980 Cadillac used part# 1494992 under the Q-Jet.  A
> thin little gasket.  Someone was probably trying to
> correct a heat problem caused by the heat riser valve in the RH
> manifold frozen shut.  Most of them are.
>
> Gary Kosier
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Re: Cad 500 Help [message #108546 is a reply to message #108496] Tue, 14 December 2010 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Frank Condos wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 17:33

I am in the process of getting my '73 with the Cad 500 running again. The engine was installed and driven a little by the PO. I have taken the Quadrajet off and cleaned it and adjusted the . When I removed the carb I found a 1" phenolic spacer under the carb. A question, is this a standard installation? My parts list that goes up to 1974 doesn't show it. I understand the use of spacers to keep carb temperature down but I am questioning if it is really necessary since it causes a higher hatch level. What have you non-efi owners found?

Frank Condos
Ahwahnee, CA
A running'76
A soon to be running '73 (I hope)

Hi Frank,
My 73 500 had a "Thick" gasket under the carb...no spacer. I don't have perc problems, but I also had the crossover filled with aluminum. See this:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=12340&cat=4093

and

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4571

HTH


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: Cad 500 Help [message #108659 is a reply to message #108496] Wed, 15 December 2010 22:14 Go to previous message
Frank Condos is currently offline  Frank Condos   United States
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Thanks everyone. I'll post again when I get the beast running.
Thanks to all and a Merry Christmas.
Frank Condos
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