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Duce Apocalypse is currently offline  Duce Apocalypse   United States
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Well I finally had a blowout! Was moving the rig tonight for street cleaning and decided to go for a little spin. Well I shoulda picked up on this when I felt a strange vibration, but given the general dilapidated condition of Southern California Roads I just assumed it to be that and then it happened! Boom! And I feel the rear of the rig waffel and sway. The furthest rear tire let go with a blast sending shrapnel all over the road, tearing out a small piece of the rear fender underside and propane hatch, as well as cracking the propane hatch in 2 places. The Barrage of profane speech which poured from my mouth upon seeing this would probably make any sailor take notes. 2 f'in days more and I was to have all new tires around but the damn thing couldn't hold together for 2 more days!

Fortunately nothing else was damaged, the propane lines, wheel well, and brake line, as well as airbag were unaffected, thank god! So now I need to find a fiberglass guy in the so cal area who can patch and fix the cracks in the hatch unless its just better to replace the hatch all together. Heh sometimes I really think my life is just a tad too interesting. At least it was close to home, and thankfully I have traded in the stock jack for a 3,5 ton shop jack which makes short work of lifting the rear of the coach. The barely there spare took about 15 minutes to install, so hopefully that POS will hold for 48 hours till my lugnuts arrive...


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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107764 is a reply to message #107763] Tue, 07 December 2010 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CLEARLY OLD TIRES ARE NOT WORTH THE RISK

we have spent a lot of bandwidth here, talking about the risk of this tire,
that tire, old tires, etc. Saving $50 on tires is just not where it is at.

The cost of damage far out weights the cost of 2 new tires per year...

sorry for your loss
gene


>
>
> So now I need to find a fiberglass guy in the so cal area who can patch
> and fix the cracks in the hatch unless its just better to replace the hatch
> all together.
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107798 is a reply to message #107764] Tue, 07 December 2010 10:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Duce Apocalypse is currently offline  Duce Apocalypse   United States
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I would agree but with the economy cheap tires, or no tires are often what happenes,whichis why Ihavent taken my rig really anywhere since last christmas, and I was waiting to get new tires before I took it out again. well now I have the tires,but no one has 9/16 18 bols which will work for my new wheels, so I had to order them, and they arrive tomorrow. however the freaking tire didnt make it. and interestingly enough the tire that blew was the spare tire and looked to be in way better shape than the rest of my POS tires. needless to say they allare coming off tomorrow and new rubber going on.

now I need to get some pix up of the damage, which is not really that extensive, but I wonder if its cheaper to fix the damaged hatch or just replace it from a parted out coach, I've seen some part outs recently on here so maybe I should try that route...

here are a couple pix of the carnage...

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/IMG00044-20101206-2159.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/IMG00044-20101206-2159.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/IMG00045-20101206-2200.jpg
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/IMG00045-20101206-2200.jpg
Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 04:07

CLEARLY OLD TIRES ARE NOT WORTH THE RISK

we have spent a lot of bandwidth here, talking about the risk of this tire, that tire, old tires, etc. Saving $50 on tires is just not where it is at.

The cost of damage far out weights the cost of 2 new tires per year...

sorry for your loss
gene


>
>
> So now I need to find a fiberglass guy in the so cal area who can patch
> and fix the cracks in the hatch unless its just better to replace the hatch
> all together.
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107801 is a reply to message #107798] Tue, 07 December 2010 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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That is easily repairable. I have damaged snowmobiles and airplane wingtips much worse than that and repaired them myself. If you do not want to do it yourself, then find someone in the fiberglass business. Ask just about any reputable body shop.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107812 is a reply to message #107763] Tue, 07 December 2010 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken, I have absolutly no clue on how to do fiberglass repair. When it comes to body work I scratch my head. I'm a grease money, I found body work to be more of an art than an applied science. Anyone know a good fiberglass guy in the so cal area?

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Re: Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107850 is a reply to message #107812] Tue, 07 December 2010 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duce Apocalypse wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 11:55

Ken, I have absolutly no clue on how to do fiberglass repair. When it comes to body work I scratch my head. I'm a grease money, I found body work to be more of an art than an applied science. Anyone know a good fiberglass guy in the so cal area?

Actually there is not much to it.
Get yourself some woven glass cloth. They com in bi-axial and tri-axial. Either will do. Buy some epoxy. I like the stuff that takes a long time to set up. Also buy some ground glass or micro balloons.

1. Force the broken pieces back into position.
2. Clean and rough up the back side of the piece being repaired.
3. Apply one or two layers of some epoxy wetted glass to the rear of the piece being repaired. .
4. Clamp the pieces in the position that you want them to assume. Note: Cover the clamping pieces with duct tape or visquine prior to clamping. The hardened epoxy will not stick to the duct tape or visquine.
5. Remove the clamps the next day.
6. Grind an high areas flat.
7. Mix up a slurry of epoxy and ground glass or micro-balloons.
8. Trowel the slurry into all areas that need to be filled.
9. Let it harden over night.
10. Sand the repaired area smooth and paint.

You are done.

If you can not find the stuff you want locally, Aircraft Spruce has all of it.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cm/index.html




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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107858 is a reply to message #107764] Tue, 07 December 2010 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene,
So what is your recommendation when you have just replaced 6 of them?
Regards, Gene 76 Eleganza North County San Diego

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CLEARLY OLD TIRES ARE NOT WORTH THE RISK

we have spent a lot of bandwidth here, talking about the risk of this tire,
that tire, old tires, etc. Saving $50 on tires is just not where it is at.

The cost of damage far out weights the cost of 2 new tires per year...

sorry for your loss
gene


>
>
> So now I need to find a fiberglass guy in the so cal area who can patch
> and fix the cracks in the hatch unless its just better to replace the
> hatch
> all together.
>

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Re: Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107859 is a reply to message #107763] Tue, 07 December 2010 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I feel for you bud. I had all my tires dry rotted recently and had to replace them all. Keep your chin up, atleast your safe. A little fiberglass work and a new tire you'll be back up and running.
Its hard to be positive however when the chips are down.


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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107861 is a reply to message #107812] Tue, 07 December 2010 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shan,
Lots of places do body work on the Corvettes, they know how to work on that
SMC stuff that both the Corvettes and GMC's have.
Regards, Gene 76 Eleganza North County San Diego
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> Ken, I have absolutly no clue on how to do fiberglass repair. When it
> comes to body work I scratch my head. I'm a grease money, I found body
> work to be more of an art than an applied science. Anyone know a good
> fiberglass guy in the so cal area?
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Re: Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107886 is a reply to message #107812] Wed, 08 December 2010 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duce Apocalypse wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 12:55

Ken, I have absolutly no clue on how to do fiberglass repair. When it comes to body work I scratch my head. I'm a grease money, I found body work to be more of an art than an applied science. Anyone know a good fiberglass guy in the so cal area?

Shan,

Before you do anything rash....
Find a West Marine. Or go online and buy the West System (West System is no relation to West Marine) and get their book on fiberglass repair.
002-550 Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance
The only adaptation you will have to make is a solvent wash immediately before beginning the application of resin to the SMC surface because it continually bleeds mold release after it is sanded.

Other advice for a novice. Buy the West System stuff. If you must buy any quantity, get the pumps. You will never have a mix failure. Everything that says West Systems is compatible with their system.

The Gougeon Brothers put this plan together because they wanted good stuff to build boats. They knew that not everybody knows or wants to work in epoxy, but there are not many other realistic choices.

Good Luck no matter how you go

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107888 is a reply to message #107858] Wed, 08 December 2010 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not Gene, but...

Wait four years, SELL the 4 rear tires on craigslist. Put the ones from the front on the mid position. Buy four new tires for the front and rear-rears. Then...

Every two years, buy two new tires for the front and SELL the mid position tires. (Unless too worn out.) Put the fronts on the rear and move the rears to the middle.

Reasoning: Mid position tires take more abuse than other positions and the fronts need the best traction.

gene1 wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 18:34

Gene,
So what is your recommendation when you have just replaced 6 of them?

> CLEARLY OLD TIRES ARE NOT WORTH THE RISK
...
> The cost of damage far out weights the cost of 2 new tires per year...



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Re: Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107890 is a reply to message #107859] Wed, 08 December 2010 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, but think of the new 'challenges and oportunities'...
(Point of view)


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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107891 is a reply to message #107888] Wed, 08 December 2010 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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good plan, but since I NEVER wear out the tires (they just get old) I move
the front tires to the rear (what ever set is the oldest, and put the new
ones on the front.

(did not know I was gene ;>)
gene

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I am not Gene, but...
>
> Wait four years, SELL the 4 rear tires on craigslist. Put the ones from
> the front on the mid position. Buy four new tires for the front and
> rear-rears. Then...
>
> Every two years, buy two new tires for the front and SELL the mid position
> tires. (Unless too worn out.) Put the fronts on the rear and move the rears
> to the middle.
>
> Reasoning: Mid position tires take more abuse than other positions and the
> fronts need the best traction.
>
> gene1 wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 18:34
> > Gene,
> > So what is your recommendation when you have just replaced 6 of them?
> >
> > > CLEARLY OLD TIRES ARE NOT WORTH THE RISK
> > ...
> > > The cost of damage far out weights the cost of 2 new tires per year...
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107910 is a reply to message #107886] Wed, 08 December 2010 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matt,

Wow, great resource. Thanks. Will be needing to do some minor repairs myself sometime in the next year or so.

For all who haven't yet done the web searching, the Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance manual is online, downloadable free, at:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/HowTo-Publications/Fiberglass-Boat-Repair-and-Maintenance.pdf

J
76 PB
Portland, OR

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> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:41:05 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!!
>
> Before you do anything rash....
> Find a West Marine. Or go online and buy the West System (West System is no relation to West Marine) and get their book on fiberglass repair.
> 002-550 Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance
> The only adaptation you will have to make is a solvent wash immediately before beginning the application of resin to the SMC surface because it continually bleeds mold release after it is sanded.
... ... ...



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Re: [GMCnet] Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107914 is a reply to message #107910] Wed, 08 December 2010 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jayrabe wrote on Wed, 08 December 2010 13:17


Matt,

Wow, great resource. Thanks. Will be needing to do some minor repairs myself sometime in the next year or so.

For all who haven't yet done the web searching, the Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance manual is online, downloadable free, at:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/HowTo-Publications/Fiberglass-Boat-Repair-and-Maintenance.pdf

J
76 PB
Portland, OR


J,

I'm glad you found that. I didn't know it was downloadable/free. That beats buying.

That was probably Mead's doing. As I said - They just want to build and sail boats.

Matt


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Re: Blowout!! F@#$!!! [message #107966 is a reply to message #107763] Wed, 08 December 2010 22:41 Go to previous message
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thanks for the info guys, im probably gonna just have it professionally done just so I dont have to worry about doing it right. thankfully its not worse then it is, compared to a couple emails I got showing what coulda happened I got of pretty light!

new lugnuts coming tomorrow so I should have the rubber on then!


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