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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106522 is a reply to message #106512] |
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USAussie
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Mike,
This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
Speaking of which you need a relay kit to run the brighter bulbs, anyone got
the part number / source for them?
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
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Subject: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95
This looks like a good deal:
<http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=0301600118>
I have not bought any... yet. Any comments?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106524 is a reply to message #106522] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 08:45 |
Patrick Flowers
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Rob,
I've had good luck with the relays from the local auto parts store.
AutoZone, Advance, etc. Pretty sure you have similar stores down under.
They're generic, but so far have given good service and cheap enough.
Patrick
On Tue, November 23, 2010 9:35 am, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Speaking of which you need a relay kit to run the brighter bulbs, anyone
> got the part number / source for them?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106531 is a reply to message #106522] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 11:09 |
idrob
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 06:35 |
Mike,
This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
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Sorry about being grumpy here, yes, you can get higher wattage bulbs, and blind everyone coming at you. Ah, but I can see, to hell with them.
End of grump
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106536 is a reply to message #106531] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 11:24 |
k2gkk
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"Blinding" is NOT a function of wattage,
but of poor optical design of the lens
and/or incorrect aiming.
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* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * "The Money Pit" * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
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* "An unarmed man can but flee *
* from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
* overcome by flight FROM it." *
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:09:14 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 06:35
> > Mike,
> >
> > This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
> > you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
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> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > USAussie
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> Sorry about being grumpy here, yes, you can get higher wattage bulbs, and blind everyone coming at you. Ah, but I can see, to hell with them.
>
> End of grump
>
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> Rob Allen
> former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106539 is a reply to message #106536] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 11:49 |
GMC_LES
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I have used the Bosch 7" lights in several of my previous cars. Most of the time they were installed with higher wattage bulbs and relays. The results were absolutely amazing as far as illumination of the road ahead.
For those of you worried about bothering the opposing traffic. It would only happen if you left the high beams on. The European lenses have a special pattern on low beam that
Cuts off the light above a certain height. The low beam also directs more light to the right side of the road. This reduces the risk of the brighter bulbs affecting oncoming traffic. On high, the light is focused forward often lighting up the signs for over a mile ahead.
As far as finding a 7" headlight with better lens technology, I bet that you would have a very hard time as 7" lights are rarely used in new mass produced vehicles anymore, so there is little reason to invest/improve on a low demand item.
Les Burt
Sent from my iPhone
On 2010-11-23, at 12:24 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> "Blinding" is NOT a function of wattage,
> but of poor optical design of the lens
> and/or incorrect aiming.
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> * D C "Mac" Macdonald *
> * Amateur Radio K2GKK *
> * USAF & FAA, Retired *
> ** Oklahoma City, OK **
> * * "The Money Pit" * *
> * * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
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> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
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>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> From: profmail@wildblue.net
>> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:09:14 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95
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>> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 06:35
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
>>> you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>> USAussie
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>> Sorry about being grumpy here, yes, you can get higher wattage bulbs, and blind everyone coming at you. Ah, but I can see, to hell with them.
>>
>> End of grump
>>
>> --
>> Rob Allen
>> former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106543 is a reply to message #106539] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 12:21 |
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I had H4s on an old Saab years ago and they were wonderful, compared with DOT. Even the 55/60 W H4 bulbs seemed to be a big improvement over stock, although one can of course put in higher power versions with a relay. The H4s have a sharp cut off pattern and I found that, after proper alignment and when standing 50-100 yards ahead of the car, simulating an oncoming driver, they were no more--and perhaps even less--distracting than a regular bulb setup. In practice I did not get flashed by oncoming drivers. Of course HID lights would be the best improvement, but they might be awfully hard to fit, and these H4s would at least allow one to drive more safely on moonless nights whilst fitting the stock brackets.
Best regards, Mike
HID on the Porsche, Saab, and Acadia, but looking through a glass, quite darkly, when driving the GMC after dusk (1978 Coachman CK Royale)
On Nov 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Les Burt wrote:
> I have used the Bosch 7" lights in several of my previous cars. Most of the time they were installed with higher wattage bulbs and relays. The results were absolutely amazing as far as illumination of the road ahead.
>
> For those of you worried about bothering the opposing traffic. It would only happen if you left the high beams on. The European lenses have a special pattern on low beam that
> Cuts off the light above a certain height. The low beam also directs more light to the right side of the road. This reduces the risk of the brighter bulbs affecting oncoming traffic. On high, the light is focused forward often lighting up the signs for over a mile ahead.
>
> As far as finding a 7" headlight with better lens technology, I bet that you would have a very hard time as 7" lights are rarely used in new mass produced vehicles anymore, so there is little reason to invest/improve on a low demand item.
>
> Les Burt
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 2010-11-23, at 12:24 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> "Blinding" is NOT a function of wattage,
>> but of poor optical design of the lens
>> and/or incorrect aiming.
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> * D C "Mac" Macdonald *
>> * Amateur Radio K2GKK *
>> * USAF & FAA, Retired *
>> ** Oklahoma City, OK **
>> * * "The Money Pit" * *
>> * * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
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>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
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>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> From: profmail@wildblue.net
>>> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:09:14 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95
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>>> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 06:35
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
>>>> you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Rob M.
>>>> USAussie
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry about being grumpy here, yes, you can get higher wattage bulbs, and blind everyone coming at you. Ah, but I can see, to hell with them.
>>>
>>> End of grump
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rob Allen
>>> former owner of '76 x-PB
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106547 is a reply to message #106543] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 12:44 |
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Yes HID lights would be the best upgrade, and being that I'm a bit of a nut in tracking down aftermarket parts, I have found a kit which will fit the GMC with bi-xenon projectors and OEM Phillips components. The kit aint cheap however, but comes with everything you need to retrofit to HID, and are DOT approved
http://www.kbcarstuff.com/6024-7-Round-Bi-Xenon-HID-Headlight-p/xd-6024.htm
They even have a kit for those who have gone to the square lights...
| mlincoln wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 12:21 |
I had H4s on an old Saab years ago and they were wonderful, compared with DOT. Even the 55/60 W H4 bulbs seemed to be a big improvement over stock, although one can of course put in higher power versions with a relay. The H4s have a sharp cut off pattern and I found that, after proper alignment and when standing 50-100 yards ahead of the car, simulating an oncoming driver, they were no more--and perhaps even less--distracting than a regular bulb setup. In practice I did not get flashed by oncoming drivers. Of course HID lights would be the best improvement, but they might be awfully hard to fit, and these H4s would at least allow one to drive more safely on moonless nights whilst fitting the stock brackets.
Best regards, Mike
HID on the Porsche, Saab, and Acadia, but looking through a glass, quite darkly, when driving the GMC after dusk (1978 Coachman CK Royale)
On Nov 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Les Burt wrote:
> I have used the Bosch 7" lights in several of my previous cars. Most of the time they were installed with higher wattage bulbs and relays. The results were absolutely amazing as far as illumination of the road ahead.
>
> For those of you worried about bothering the opposing traffic. It would only happen if you left the high beams on. The European lenses have a special pattern on low beam that
> Cuts off the light above a certain height. The low beam also directs more light to the right side of the road. This reduces the risk of the brighter bulbs affecting oncoming traffic. On high, the light is focused forward often lighting up the signs for over a mile ahead.
>
> As far as finding a 7" headlight with better lens technology, I bet that you would have a very hard time as 7" lights are rarely used in new mass produced vehicles anymore, so there is little reason to invest/improve on a low demand item.
>
> Les Burt
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2010-11-23, at 12:24 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Blinding" is NOT a function of wattage,
>> but of poor optical design of the lens
>> and/or incorrect aiming.
>>
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> * D C "Mac" Macdonald *
>> * Amateur Radio K2GKK *
>> * USAF & FAA, Retired *
>> ** Oklahoma City, OK **
>> * * "The Money Pit" * *
>> * * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>>
>>
>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> From: profmail@wildblue.net
>>> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:09:14 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95
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>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 06:35
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
>>>> you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Rob M.
>>>> USAussie
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry about being grumpy here, yes, you can get higher wattage bulbs, and blind everyone coming at you. Ah, but I can see, to hell with them.
>>>
>>> End of grump
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rob Allen
>>> former owner of '76 x-PB
>>> _______________________________________________
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| [GMCnet] Rectangular Headlight Improvements (Was: RE: Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95) [message #106564 is a reply to message #106531] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 13:45 |
k2gkk
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Some P.O. of "The Money Pit" already did the conversion
from round to rectangular halogen sealed beam lamps.
While I haven't driven the beast at night yet, I suspect
that there are similar improvements to be made for these
headlamps.
Does anybody out there have any suggestions?
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* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * "The Money Pit" * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* "An unarmed man can but flee *
* from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
* overcome by flight FROM it." *
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: profmail@wildblue.net
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:09:14 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 06:35
> > Mike,
> >
> > This is what I run on my Harley, the bulb in the center is replaceable AND
> > you can get ones that are a hell of a lot brighter than the 60/55W!
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > USAussie
>
>
> Sorry about being grumpy here, yes, you can get higher wattage bulbs, and blind everyone coming at you. Ah, but I can see, to hell with them.
>
> End of grump
>
> --
> Rob Allen
> former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106567 is a reply to message #106536] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 13:57 |
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| k2gkk wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 09:24 |
"Blinding" is NOT a function of wattage,
but of poor optical design of the lens
and/or incorrect aiming.
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I only partially agree with you. Yes poor aiming will cause blinding, but the optics of the Bosh headlights in question is simply not up to controlling the light output from higher wattage inner H4 bulbs.
I have used european stile headlights on many 7" round applications over the years. They are a wonderful improvement but unless aimed virtually perfectly and in a rig with constant ride height control, and you are not in the oncoming car and happen to be going up hill with the sharp cutoff of the oncoming rig's lights rising above your windshield, they can be great. But a higher wattage inner bulb is going to cause much more "blinding" than the standard 55/60 watt H4. That is unavoidable in real world installations.
BTW I prefer CIBIE 7" lights to the Hella's for better optical control, but the Hella's are reasonably good. The price of $45 for a set is wonderful.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106574 is a reply to message #106512] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 15:02 |
WayneB
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Sounds like a great deal on some good headlamps.
I ran a pair of those Bosch Halogen Lights for over 10 years in my 1971 Trans Am, replacing the stock GM Guide Power Beams as they were rendered pretty useless at speeds over 100mph at night.
The only drawback that I have seen with the European 7" headlights with the separate bulbs, is that the steel rear reflectors can corrode in humid and damp climates (the Cibies and Carrellos are especially prone to this)
1976 23' GMCII By Explorer
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| Re: Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106575 is a reply to message #106512] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 15:12 |
mschultz
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OK, I sent off the original question to Daniel Stern, the auto lighting expert and this is his quite lengthy, but practically everything you may need to know about what is out there for lighting. At least for anyone who may be interested. And yes they are Harley lights, now discontinued. Read on:
Thanks, MS -- I appreciate the referral! Please feel free to pass along the below-
The Bosch 7" H4 headlamps that are available at a variety of vendors lately for about $22 apiece are not, in fact, European-code headlamps. They are US-spec motorcycle headlamps, surplus from when Harley-Davidson stopped using this lamp on their US-market big bikes in 2004. Leaving aside for the moment the fact that these headlamps do not comply with _any_ performance standard for car/truck/bus use (neither the US code nor the rest-of-world European ECE code) and leaving aside for the moment the large performance differences amongst various major brands of (actual) European-code H4 7" round headlamps, there is a large objective (only kind that matters) performance difference between the US motorcycle variant and the European ECE variant of the Bosch 7" round H4 headlamp. The low and high beam optics are different, and the performance of the motorcycle unit is objectively and substantially inferior. This does not necessarily have to be the case; it is possible to create a very high-performing headlamp that complies simultaneously with ECE and US motorcycle beam specs. Such lamps have been made in the past by various companies. However, that is not the choice Bosch made.
The Cibie 7" H4 headlamp is the best one in current production, going by objective performance. It costs triple what the Bosch motorcycle surplus units are going for, but lighting is one of the many realms in which one gets what one pays for.
Whatever replaceable-bulb headlamp installed, bulb selection is paramount to the headlamps' safety performance; there is a great deal of hyped-up junk (e.g., Sylvania Silver Star, PIAA, anything advertised as producing "whiter" light or "Xenon blue", etc.) flushing around in the bulb market, too. Circuit quality is likewise crucial to beam performance no matter what lamps are installed; see http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html . And headlamp aim is the single most important factor in headlighting safety performance; a piss-poor lamp aimed properly gives better safety performance in most cases than a good lamp aimed incorrectly. See http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html .
I would certainly pick the Bosch motorcyle headlamp over any of the enormous variety of off-brand junk flushing around the internet if I had to pick either/or, but if my choice was not thus constrained I would pick neither. If I needed a good, cheap 7" round headlamp, I would immediately pick the only sealed beam worth having, the GE Night Hawk H6024NH -- about $18 apiece from amazon.com by typing H6024NH in the search box. It is not a _great_ headlamp, but it is a very good cheap headlamp, objectively considerably better than the Bosch motorcycle unit, and as I say it is the only sealed beam worth messing with; that goes for the other sealed beam sizes as well. This is because the Night Hawks are the only sealed beams made on new(ish) tooling. All the others from GE, and all of them from Sylvania and Wagner, are made on decrepit tooling that was in need of replacement years ago.
At the far other end of the scale is the _one_ legitimate, legal, well-made, high-performing HID headlamp that can be made to fit a 7" round application. It is the ValeoSylvania XE7 (not the XE7R, you want the XE7):
http://www.xesighting.com/products.html . That's about a thousand bucks' worth of headlamps that'll take sheetmetal modification to fit and make the vehicle look like it needs a bra, but they work very well. They incorporate the same Valeo BiXenon projector used in a good number of high-endy vehicles from Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, and VW.
There are a few LED options. The one from Truck-Lite is legal, but that's all it is. Very poor beam performance. The one from Speaker—not the model 8100, which is quite weak, but the #8700—is a good deal better than the one from Truck-Lite; it's got more sophisticated optics, but it's not up to HID performance levels despite the HID-like cost.
It should go without saying (but doesn't, so I'll say it): "HID kits" in halogen-bulb headlamps or fog/auxiliary lamps (any kit, any lamp, any vehicle no matter whether it's a car, truck, motorcycle, etc.) do not work safely or effectively, which is why they are illegal. See http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html .
More info, just ask!
Best DS ( dastern@torque.net )
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| Re: Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106577 is a reply to message #106512] |
Tue, 23 November 2010 15:43 |
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Those HID kits on that site look just like the ones the xenon depot is selling but XD has them cheaper and its a complete kit with OEM ballasts and wire harness, as well as free shipping. If I had 9 bills to drop on lights that would be the kit I'd get...
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| Re: Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106616 is a reply to message #106600] |
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To which kits are you referring? Are they the same kits Xenon Depot sells with Phillips or Bosch components? Or the china knock-offs which are all over evilbay? Its mostly the projector housings I'm interested in. How much cheaper can you get them for?
| MrRadioActive wrote on Tue, 23 November 2010 22:58 |
Appreciate the link, these are exactly what I was looking for and the price is right!
I can buy HID kits cheap wholesale so these are perfect!
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| Re: Bosch European H4 Headlights - PAIR $44.95 [message #106618 is a reply to message #106512] |
Wed, 24 November 2010 15:24 |
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Chinese knockoffs. The only poor thing about the chinese units are the instuctions. I've sold many of them to friends (they are not anywhere near my normal electronics product line we sell just items a distributor sells and I can get at will and have got for a few friends who wanted them at a good price) and have had zero failures or defects. But the instructions make little to no sense and are mis-spelled, weirdly written and useless at times!
Im not on the forum to pedal anything I sell, for me however being to buy them wholesale helps me save a few bucks. I ordered the product mentioned in this thread since I wanted to add the HIDs and the price is right. Not saying Im not willing to help people but honestly rather not get involved in selling products here thats not a part of my normal product line.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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