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Fri, 29 October 2010 19:31  |
jknezek
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Anyone have an idea on the material cost? Someone on the list a few weeks ago suggested checking into technical schools with auto body repair programs to see if they would do a paint job. I have found one here in AL that is interested and might give it a go. They want the cost of materials plus 15%. That seems very reasonable to me if I can convince them to go ahead.
Is it going to be the best paint job ever and last me 20 years? Probably not. But looking good from 25 feet at 25 mph is a huge improvement over the faded baby puke yellow I've got now...
Anyway, I was interested in what the material cost might be. Obviously there are a lot of variables, but is it in the $500 ballpark or the $2000 ballpark for 2 colors and some clearcoat? Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104584 is a reply to message #104583] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 19:37  |
Tripp 33
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I painted my coach this summer with 1 color and the raw materials cost me around $600. If you went with exotic 20 year automotice paints you should cost that at $1,500 minimum. Oh yeah, plus labor!
I used a mid grade enamel with blue flake and the paint is a great color. It was the first time I have ever painted anything since I was using my fingers in kindergarten so it wasnt the best job but I did it with 2 hours of taping, 3 hours of painting and 1 hour of "touchup".
Best of luck,
Jeff
Toledo, OH
78 transmode
Wild Rover
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> Anyone have an idea on the material cost? Someone on the list a few weeks ago suggested checking into technical schools with auto body repair programs to see if they would do a paint job. I have found one here in AL that is interested and might give it a go. They want the cost of materials plus 15%. That seems very reasonable to me if I can convince them to go ahead.
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> Is it going to be the best paint job ever and last me 20 years? Probably not. But looking good from 25 feet at 25 mph is a huge improvement over the faded baby puke yellow I've got now...
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> Anyway, I was interested in what the material cost might be. Obviously there are a lot of variables, but is it in the $500 ballpark or the $2000 ballpark for 2 colors and some clearcoat? Any ideas?
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> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104589 is a reply to message #104583] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 20:38 |
gmcrv1
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Jeremy,
You can get paint mixed up at most any good parts stores. First you'll need
to decide on base coat/clear coat - which is probably the only thing they
are using in schools these days and then a color. The exception may be some
paints for commercial vehicle applications.
If you want good paint at a reasonable price, try "smartshoppers.com". * *I
believe they are in Louisville, KY*.* We used to have a commercial account
with them. If you are buying in smaller quantities they add about 10-15%.
They have everything you need. My Dad was a full time professional
finisher/refinisher.for close to 50 years He used everything from the "back
in the day" enamels, nitrocellulose lauquers, urethane's including the early
Centari and Imrons among others. When you add up the primers, sealers and
the hardeners you eat up every bit of that $500. Smart shoppers has some
pre-packaged kits that are excellent paints with very good pricing. We used
them for years. The pre-packaged kits include about 50 or so stock
colors last time I checked and if you're doing a complete refinish you don't
have to worry about blending etc. Consider their factory kits. Plus they
will put the package together for you with everything you need from start to
finish.
One other thing my Dad always "preached" when anyone would ask him about
refinishing a car themselves was that it can never be too clean or too well
prepped. Also, stay within one company's product line. If you are using
DuPont paints then use DuPont's thinners, primers activators etc. If you're
using Sikkens - same thing. Ask me how I know - I did my first refinish
when I knew a lot more then my Dad. After all - I was 16 years old! But,
my car came out great - after my dad supervised the "second" attempt!
I have no affiliation with Smart Shopper's - just use their products for
over 30 years.
*Happy Motoring!*
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Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Anyone have an idea on the material cost? Someone on the list a few weeks
> ago suggested checking into technical schools with auto body repair programs
> to see if they would do a paint job. I have found one here in AL that is
> interested and might give it a go. They want the cost of materials plus 15%.
> That seems very reasonable to me if I can convince them to go ahead.
>
> Is it going to be the best paint job ever and last me 20 years? Probably
> not. But looking good from 25 feet at 25 mph is a huge improvement over the
> faded baby puke yellow I've got now...
>
> Anyway, I was interested in what the material cost might be. Obviously
> there are a lot of variables, but is it in the $500 ballpark or the $2000
> ballpark for 2 colors and some clearcoat? Any ideas?
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104614 is a reply to message #104608] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 09:19 |
Dr. Detroit
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I'm in the middle of painting my 23'er and here's what I know:
So far I've used:
3 Gallons of 2K urethane primer (including hardener) @ $100 Each.
6 rolls of sandpaper (120 grit, 220 grit 320 grit) @ $20 Each
1 can of wax and grease remover @ $20
1 can of lightweight body filler @ $30
1 tube of seam sealer @ $16
2 packs of 400 grit wet sand paper @ $8 each
Here's what I have that's unopened:
2 gallons of single stage urethane white paint @ $90 each
2 quarts of hardener @ $29 each
1 gallon of medium reducer @ $34
1 gallon of single stage champagne gold paint @ $89
1 quart of hardener @ $29
1 gallon of slow reducer $34
I chose to use Matrix paints because they make the stuff right in my town. If your shop chooses to use PPG or BASF from the local paint supplier expect all of the prices to at least double.
1973 GMC 23'
All Birch and Maple Interior Cabinetry. TZE033V100221
"The Honeycomb Hideout"
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| Re: Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104652 is a reply to message #104583] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 19:50 |
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Has anyone here thought of using Glasurit paints? I had an old neighbor who had his 65 stang shot with Glasurit, that stuff looks like sex, but I know its not cheap...
73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104663 is a reply to message #104662] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 22:01 |
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http://www.glasurit.com/
I would say it is from their website...
| gmcrv1 wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 21:45 |
Glasurit has been around forever. The OEM paint for Porsche and Audi -
possibly VW and Mercedes also. They developed the first metallic
automotive paints. The reason the European metallics looked superior to the
US paints was the way they polished the metallic chips. They were
experimenting with waterbased automotive paints and waterbased lacquers in
the late 1950's - before anyone else thought about the environment.
I don't know if their products are still available as Glasurit as they were
bought out by BASF in the early 1960's.
Great paint at $$$ back in the day, their paint was $100 a gallon while
DuPont acrylic lacquers were about $20 per gallon.
That's all I can remember.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Has anyone here thought of using Glasurit paints? I had an old neighbor who
> had his 65 stang shot with Glasurit, that stuff looks like sex, but I know
> its not cheap...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104665 is a reply to message #104663] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 22:17 |
gmcrv1
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Cool,
So they are around. I wonder if they broke from BASF or if they are a
subsidiary.
As mentioned befor they were at one time one of the best, since Sikkens came
about, I can't recall hearing anything about Glasurit for years - until your
post.
Tom Eckert
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> http://www.glasurit.com/
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> I would say it is from their website...
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> gmcrv1 wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 21:45
> > Glasurit has been around forever. The OEM paint for Porsche and Audi -
> > possibly VW and Mercedes also. They developed the first metallic
> > automotive paints. The reason the European metallics looked superior to
> the
> > US paints was the way they polished the metallic chips. They were
> > experimenting with waterbased automotive paints and waterbased lacquers
> in
> > the late 1950's - before anyone else thought about the environment.
> >
> > I don't know if their products are still available as Glasurit as they
> were
> > bought out by BASF in the early 1960's.
> >
> > Great paint at $$$ back in the day, their paint was $100 a gallon while
> > DuPont acrylic lacquers were about $20 per gallon.
> >
> > That's all I can remember.
> >
> > Tom Eckert N2VWN
> > 73 Glacier
> > Oakland, TN
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone here thought of using Glasurit paints? I had an old neighbor
> who
> > > had his 65 stang shot with Glasurit, that stuff looks like sex, but I
> know
> > > its not cheap...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104667 is a reply to message #104665] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 23:32 |
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Well after seeing my neighbors 65 stang whih he had shot with Glasurit, I was sold! that car looked better then it did when it was new in 65! but he paid about $1,300 for all the supplies IIRC, and I imagine you would need 3x as much for a GMC. this was about 4-5 years ago, he was big into euro tuner stuff, and Glasurit is still used on such cars like Ferrari and Lamborghini(sp) as well as BMW, Porsche, Mercedes etc...
It really is amazing paint, also on the website they had a really great commercial paint for stuff like trucks that looks absolutly amazing and is supposed to also not cost a fortune, that stuff would be good for painting coaches I would think...
http://www.glasurit.com/en_UK/Products/CommercialVehicles/index.xml
| gmcrv1 wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 22:17 |
Cool,
So they are around. I wonder if they broke from BASF or if they are a
subsidiary.
As mentioned befor they were at one time one of the best, since Sikkens came
about, I can't recall hearing anything about Glasurit for years - until your
post.
Tom Eckert
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> http://www.glasurit.com/
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> I would say it is from their website...
>
> gmcrv1 wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 21:45
> > Glasurit has been around forever. The OEM paint for Porsche and Audi -
> > possibly VW and Mercedes also. They developed the first metallic
> > automotive paints. The reason the European metallics looked superior to
> the
> > US paints was the way they polished the metallic chips. They were
> > experimenting with waterbased automotive paints and waterbased lacquers
> in
> > the late 1950's - before anyone else thought about the environment.
> >
> > I don't know if their products are still available as Glasurit as they
> were
> > bought out by BASF in the early 1960's.
> >
> > Great paint at $$$ back in the day, their paint was $100 a gallon while
> > DuPont acrylic lacquers were about $20 per gallon.
> >
> > That's all I can remember.
> >
> > Tom Eckert N2VWN
> > 73 Glacier
> > Oakland, TN
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone here thought of using Glasurit paints? I had an old neighbor
> who
> > > had his 65 stang shot with Glasurit, that stuff looks like sex, but I
> know
> > > its not cheap...
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| Re: Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104672 is a reply to message #104617] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 08:30 |
fred v
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| jknezek wrote on Sat, 30 October 2010 10:05 |
This was great. Thanks. That looks roughly like $1000 so I'm probably looking around $1500-$2000. Thanks!
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i had a quote from a body shop that figured mtls. at 1500 bucks.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104678 is a reply to message #104589] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 09:33 |
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| gmcrv1 wrote on Fri, 29 October 2010 18:38 |
Jeremy,
One other thing my Dad always "preached" when anyone would ask him about
refinishing a car themselves was that it can never be too clean or too well
prepped. Also, stay within one company's product line. If you are using
DuPont paints then use DuPont's thinners, primers activators etc. If you're
using Sikkens - same thing. Ask me how I know - I did my first refinish
when I knew a lot more then my Dad. After all - I was 16 years old! But,
my car came out great - after my dad supervised the "second" attempt!
I have no affiliation with Smart Shopper's - just use their products for
over 30 years.
*Happy Motoring!*
**
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
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I had our coach painted a couple of years ago by a young man who learned at home and at a Jr. College. I was recently out of surgery and didn't have a whole lot of pep and I was doing the prep. Randy Van Winkle stopped by to visit and said, "You can't take it to the painters like that." For the next week he helped me learn to prep. He spent hours and hours. Eventually, with other college friends, we had seven working on getting it ready. Eventually we ran out of time. Randy saved the day on that one and guess what... it needed more prep. It is a nice 10 foot paint job. Just don't get too close.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Cost of Materials for Painting a GMC [message #104763 is a reply to message #104678] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 11:58 |
Dr. Detroit
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Last I knew Glasurit was still part of BASF.
As far as ranking goes, Glasurit and Sikkens are among the best there is and priced accordingly.
FWIW, the Sikkens brand is owned by Akzo Nobel. I was just in their facility last week where the paint is blended. I learned a lot about paint and color that day.
Just like anything you get what you pay for. In the case of the more expensive paints you are getting better UV protection and a smoother flow when spraying. That's why they lay down like glass and keep the shine for many years.
If you are doing your GMC and want best of show then go for it. However you may want to consider how long you plan to own and use the coach. Do you really plan to go another 20 years with it? If not why spend the $ considering the next owner won't pony up the extra when buying.
Any decent urethane paint should give at least 11 years minimum of service anywhere here in the U.S. parked outside all of the time.
Ken Wolkens
1973 GMC 23'
All Birch and Maple Interior Cabinetry. TZE033V100221
"The Honeycomb Hideout"
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| Re: ... Painting a GMC [message #105140 is a reply to message #104583] |
Fri, 05 November 2010 12:20 |
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This is as good a time as any …
For all of us cheapskates on the East Coast:
I know of an unused commercial facility in Northern coastal Florida that is equipped with an indoor shop capable of handling multiple coaches for interior and exterior refinishing, including a bus-sized professional paint booth. It has been unused for a couple years and available for lease (but no takers, probably because it lacks restrooms).
Anyway, if enough of us wanted to paint our coaches, we could approach the owner about renting it for a few months, depending on participation and we would all be able to pitch in with various levels of participation to get everyone's coaches refinished.
Note that this is only applicable for people who would not normally pay a professional to paint their coaches - if you are too cheap to have a pro shop do it, then do the prep work yourself and pay one of us to spray it.
This place even has a small gantry crane to lift bodies off frames, a complete wood shop and lots of exterior parking - next to a railroad siding. Lots of potential, but it would take a lot of planning to pull off. The business is family-oewned and might like the idea of helping us out - especially if their 'contribution' received a tax break because of a GMC club's non-profit status (if that is true).
Anyone know if the Eastern States club is a non-profit?
Feel free to PM me here or at worldnet (at) aol.com
Mark Scoble, Lunenburg, MA - 1973 23' Palm Beach Stretched to 32' and in residence at the GMC Co-Op in Orlando, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] ... Painting a GMC [message #105146 is a reply to message #105140] |
Fri, 05 November 2010 13:35 |
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I suspect that none of the GMC clubs qualify as bonafide non-profit
entities. Besides, "giving" time or services like that isn't tax deductible.
Gifts-in-kind aren't eligible.
Otherwise, an interesting idea that seems worth pushing. I know of one owner
that's wanting to paint his coach "at home". That owner isn't me.
Byron
Mark Scoble wrote:
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> This is as good a time as any …
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> For all of us cheapskates on the East Coast:
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> I know of an unused commercial facility in Northern coastal Florida that is
> equipped with an indoor shop capable of handling multiple coaches for interior
> and exterior refinishing, including a bus-sized professional paint booth. It
> has been unused for a couple years and available for lease (but no takers,
> probably because it lacks restrooms).
>
> Anyway, if enough of us wanted to paint our coaches, we could approach the
> owner about renting it for a few months, depending on participation and we
> would all be able to pitch in with various levels of participation to get
> everyone's coaches refinished.
>
> Note that this is only applicable for people who would not normally pay a
> professional to paint their coaches - if you are too cheap to have a pro shop
> do it, then do the prep work yourself and pay one of us to spray it.
>
> This place even has a small gantry crane to lift bodies off frames, a complete
> wood shop and lots of exterior parking - next to a railroad siding. Lots of
> potential, but it would take a lot of planning to pull off. The business is
> family-oewned and might like the idea of helping us out - especially if their
> 'contribution' received a tax break because of a GMC club's non-profit status
> (if that is true).
>
> Anyone know if the Eastern States club is a non-profit?
>
> Feel free to PM me here or at worldnet (at) aol.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] ... Painting a GMC [message #105158 is a reply to message #105146] |
Fri, 05 November 2010 16:22 |
powerjon
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GMC Great Lakers MHC is a non-profit organization registered in the
State of Michigan.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
TZE Zone Restorations
77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Byron Songer wrote:
> I suspect that none of the GMC clubs qualify as bonafide non-profit
> entities. Besides, "giving" time or services like that isn't tax
> deductible.
> Gifts-in-kind aren't eligible.
>
> Otherwise, an interesting idea that seems worth pushing. I know of
> one owner
> that's wanting to paint his coach "at home". That owner isn't me.
>
> Byron
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] ... Painting a GMC [message #105159 is a reply to message #105149] |
Fri, 05 November 2010 16:24 |
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Jim B has just expanded his operation at his present site. More
outside storage for coaches, cleaned up the shop and has a new part
storage area.
J.R. Wright
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> Wonder if JimB would want to expand or move???hmmm
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