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| [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103210] |
Sat, 16 October 2010 22:02  |
Bryan Davies
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Anyone out there have experience with the Applied GMC Disc brake conversion for the rear bogies? I let my wife drive for a few hours on our last trip and the parking brake was set the entire time... Everything back there is well cooked and it needs a rebuild, but for a few dollars more I could possibly upgrade.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103229 is a reply to message #103223] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 08:50  |
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USAussie
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Marcel,
A couple of weeks ago you noted that you had bad luck with Kumho tires but
did not specify what type of Kumho tires basically condemning them all. To
date you have not advised what type they were which, I hate to say, makes
the information you provided useless.
Now you tell everybody that Jim K's boys worked pretty slow and the labor
costs killed you. You then suggest you have a local mechanic install the
setup.
I am not trying to defend Jim K or his "boys" but I (and probably the rest
of the people on the net) would appreciate it if you would provide specifics
when you have problems. In this case how many hours did they charge you
to-do the job. What EXACTLY did they install? Was it the disk brake package
only, did it include the Quadra bag setup.
Also I find it interesting that you feel a "local" mechanic who probably has
NEVER seen the conversion could do it faster.
I apologize if you take this as criticism but as Jack Webb on Dragnet used
to say "just the facts, sir."
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
mjbourgon@earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:14 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
Good morning from El Paso
Before we left for Alaska I stopped at applied and had them do the rear
bogies with their disk brake package. They worked perfectly and my baby
stops on a dime. With all the mountain highways we encountered it was a
real good feeling to know she would stop and stop well.
On a down side it got out of hand money wise. His boys worked pretty slow
and the labor costs killed me. You might want to use a local mechanic and
have him install them. Mine does not use a emergency brake but they
installed a line lock and when the adjustment on transmission failed and I
had no park the line lock was a great idea when parked. Like I said great
idea but a bit pricey
Marcel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Davies" <bdgmcmail@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 21:02
Subject: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
> Anyone out there have experience with the Applied GMC Disc brake
> conversion for the rear bogies? I let my wife drive for a few hours on our
> last trip and the parking brake was set the entire time... Everything back
> there is well cooked and it needs a rebuild, but for a few dollars more I
> could possibly upgrade.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103231 is a reply to message #103230] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 09:10 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
Rob has:
1) Front wheels: standard GMC disk's, Caddy calipers & carbon metallic pads
2) Middle wheels: Caddy disks and calipers & carbon metallic pads
3) Rear wheels: standard OEM drums with standard shoes
4) P-30 master cylinder
5) J. Bounds sensitized booster - with dual check valves
6) Stainless steel brake lines
7) New brass proportioning valve
8) P. Papas vacuum pump
9) Braided SS lines to all calipers and wheel cylinders
10) Engine that pulls 19-21 inches vacuum at idle
It should be noted that all of the parts above are either new or rebuilt
less than 2 years ago.
Rob took the rear Caddy calipers off because he needed an Emergency brake to
pass New Jersey inspection the first year he registered Double Trouble.
Furthermore he had been toying with re-installing them but has come to the
conclusion that having disk brakes on the rear wheels WITHOUT the reaction
arm system is a waste. Under hard braking the rear of the coach just jacks
up and they don't do diddley squat!
Rob also has a TSM conversion kit sitting in boxes down in OZ that the PO of
The Blue Streak never installed. He notes that the calipers are much smaller
than the Caddy calipers on Double Trouble. He was advised that they come off
a Camero.
Rob is more than happy to provide any additional information required. ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Davies
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:53 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
Of course the ability to stop would be affected by the type of mod Rob
has... If he has the Leigh Harrison front bogie disc (they are huge) I would
expect phenomenal stopping performance. I am of the opinion that the Applied
GMC disc conversion will be better than the cadillac discs that some owners
modify and maybe even the TSM (The Street rod Manufacturing Co) kit even
tho I know little about the differences. Bryan
On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Dan Gregg wrote:
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> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great brakes until
I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half rear discs but he has twice
the stopping power that I have, not really but seems so. I plan to follow
Marcel and get them installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on
by Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on them then.
> Dan
> --
> Dan & Teri Gregg
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> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103232 is a reply to message #103231] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 09:25 |
Mr ERFisher
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Who is this rob person ?
Oh
Are you talking 3rd party ? 8>)
Gene
On Oct 17, 2010, at 7:10 AM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Rob has:
>
> 1) Front wheels: standard GMC disk's, Caddy calipers & carbon metallic pads
> 2) Middle wheels: Caddy disks and calipers & carbon metallic pads
> 3) Rear wheels: standard OEM drums with standard shoes
> 4) P-30 master cylinder
> 5) J. Bounds sensitized booster - with dual check valves
> 6) Stainless steel brake lines
> 7) New brass proportioning valve
> 8) P. Papas vacuum pump
> 9) Braided SS lines to all calipers and wheel cylinders
> 10) Engine that pulls 19-21 inches vacuum at idle
>
> It should be noted that all of the parts above are either new or rebuilt
> less than 2 years ago.
>
> Rob took the rear Caddy calipers off because he needed an Emergency brake to
> pass New Jersey inspection the first year he registered Double Trouble.
> Furthermore he had been toying with re-installing them but has come to the
> conclusion that having disk brakes on the rear wheels WITHOUT the reaction
> arm system is a waste. Under hard braking the rear of the coach just jacks
> up and they don't do diddley squat!
>
> Rob also has a TSM conversion kit sitting in boxes down in OZ that the PO of
> The Blue Streak never installed. He notes that the calipers are much smaller
> than the Caddy calipers on Double Trouble. He was advised that they come off
> a Camero.
>
> Rob is more than happy to provide any additional information required. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Davies
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:53 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
> Of course the ability to stop would be affected by the type of mod Rob
> has... If he has the Leigh Harrison front bogie disc (they are huge) I would
> expect phenomenal stopping performance. I am of the opinion that the Applied
> GMC disc conversion will be better than the cadillac discs that some owners
> modify and maybe even the TSM (The Street rod Manufacturing Co) kit even
> tho I know little about the differences. Bryan
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Dan Gregg wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great brakes until
> I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half rear discs but he has twice
> the stopping power that I have, not really but seems so. I plan to follow
> Marcel and get them installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on
> by Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on them then.
>> Dan
>> --
>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>
>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103233 is a reply to message #103232] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 09:23 |
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USAussie
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He's a smart ass having some fun on a Sunday morning! ;-)
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of mr.erfisher@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:27 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
Who is this rob person ?
Oh
Are you talking 3rd party ? 8>)
Gene
On Oct 17, 2010, at 7:10 AM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Rob has:
>
> 1) Front wheels: standard GMC disk's, Caddy calipers & carbon metallic
pads
> 2) Middle wheels: Caddy disks and calipers & carbon metallic pads
> 3) Rear wheels: standard OEM drums with standard shoes
> 4) P-30 master cylinder
> 5) J. Bounds sensitized booster - with dual check valves
> 6) Stainless steel brake lines
> 7) New brass proportioning valve
> 8) P. Papas vacuum pump
> 9) Braided SS lines to all calipers and wheel cylinders
> 10) Engine that pulls 19-21 inches vacuum at idle
>
> It should be noted that all of the parts above are either new or rebuilt
> less than 2 years ago.
>
> Rob took the rear Caddy calipers off because he needed an Emergency brake
to
> pass New Jersey inspection the first year he registered Double Trouble.
> Furthermore he had been toying with re-installing them but has come to the
> conclusion that having disk brakes on the rear wheels WITHOUT the reaction
> arm system is a waste. Under hard braking the rear of the coach just jacks
> up and they don't do diddley squat!
>
> Rob also has a TSM conversion kit sitting in boxes down in OZ that the PO
of
> The Blue Streak never installed. He notes that the calipers are much
smaller
> than the Caddy calipers on Double Trouble. He was advised that they come
off
> a Camero.
>
> Rob is more than happy to provide any additional information required. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Davies
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:53 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
> Of course the ability to stop would be affected by the type of mod Rob
> has... If he has the Leigh Harrison front bogie disc (they are huge) I
would
> expect phenomenal stopping performance. I am of the opinion that the
Applied
> GMC disc conversion will be better than the cadillac discs that some
owners
> modify and maybe even the TSM (The Street rod Manufacturing Co) kit even
> tho I know little about the differences. Bryan
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Dan Gregg wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great brakes
until
> I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half rear discs but he has twice
> the stopping power that I have, not really but seems so. I plan to follow
> Marcel and get them installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on
> by Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on them then.
>> Dan
>> --
>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>
>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103234 is a reply to message #103232] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 09:28 |
Bryan Davies
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I was of the opinion that you actually minimize the brake reaction issue when you are operating with a dual airbag system (all bags independent of each other). I currently have the Harrison dual bags installed. Installing the reaction system at this point will improve the stopping effectiveness but to a much lesser extent than if it was installed on a stock airbag coach. Bryan
On Oct 17, 2010, at 9:26 AM, mr.erfisher@gmail.com wrote:
> Who is this rob person ?
> Oh
> Are you talking 3rd party ? 8>)
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 7:10 AM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> Rob has:
>>
>> 1) Front wheels: standard GMC disk's, Caddy calipers & carbon metallic pads
>> 2) Middle wheels: Caddy disks and calipers & carbon metallic pads
>> 3) Rear wheels: standard OEM drums with standard shoes
>> 4) P-30 master cylinder
>> 5) J. Bounds sensitized booster - with dual check valves
>> 6) Stainless steel brake lines
>> 7) New brass proportioning valve
>> 8) P. Papas vacuum pump
>> 9) Braided SS lines to all calipers and wheel cylinders
>> 10) Engine that pulls 19-21 inches vacuum at idle
>>
>> It should be noted that all of the parts above are either new or rebuilt
>> less than 2 years ago.
>>
>> Rob took the rear Caddy calipers off because he needed an Emergency brake to
>> pass New Jersey inspection the first year he registered Double Trouble.
>> Furthermore he had been toying with re-installing them but has come to the
>> conclusion that having disk brakes on the rear wheels WITHOUT the reaction
>> arm system is a waste. Under hard braking the rear of the coach just jacks
>> up and they don't do diddley squat!
>>
>> Rob also has a TSM conversion kit sitting in boxes down in OZ that the PO of
>> The Blue Streak never installed. He notes that the calipers are much smaller
>> than the Caddy calipers on Double Trouble. He was advised that they come off
>> a Camero.
>>
>> Rob is more than happy to provide any additional information required. ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> USAussie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Davies
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:53 AM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>>
>> Of course the ability to stop would be affected by the type of mod Rob
>> has... If he has the Leigh Harrison front bogie disc (they are huge) I would
>> expect phenomenal stopping performance. I am of the opinion that the Applied
>> GMC disc conversion will be better than the cadillac discs that some owners
>> modify and maybe even the TSM (The Street rod Manufacturing Co) kit even
>> tho I know little about the differences. Bryan
>> On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Dan Gregg wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great brakes until
>> I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half rear discs but he has twice
>> the stopping power that I have, not really but seems so. I plan to follow
>> Marcel and get them installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on
>> by Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on them then.
>>> Dan
>>> --
>>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>>
>>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103239 is a reply to message #103223] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 10:05 |
James Hupy
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Jim K can speak for "his technicians" as if they were indentured servants or
somthing. I have been in the business long enough to know that 35 year old
stuff doesen't disassemble well. Bolt heads are rusted and rounded, brake
fittings are the same, you touch one thing in the system and something else
falls apart in your hand. If you quote a fixed price like Midas and some of
the others do, you are setting yourself up to take a loss on the job. If
your shop rates are reasonable and competitive and the technicians are
competent, then by the hour is only fair to both customer and shop. No
independent shop can long endure without making a profit, it is what makes
the GMC wheels go around. You can always get somebody to work for less but
shoddy work has it's own rewards. Buyer beware is still good advise. My
personal opinions here.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 Royale 403
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:13 AM, <mjbourgon@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Good morning from El Paso
> Before we left for Alaska I stopped at applied and had them do the rear
> bogies with their disk brake package. They worked perfectly and my baby
> stops on a dime. With all the mountain highways we encountered it was a
> real good feeling to know she would stop and stop well.
> On a down side it got out of hand money wise. His boys worked pretty slow
> and the labor costs killed me. You might want to use a local mechanic and
> have him install them. Mine does not use a emergency brake but they
> installed a line lock and when the adjustment on transmission failed and I
> had no park the line lock was a great idea when parked. Like I said great
> idea but a bit pricey
> Marcel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Davies" <bdgmcmail@gmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 21:02
> Subject: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
>
> > Anyone out there have experience with the Applied GMC Disc brake
> > conversion for the rear bogies? I let my wife drive for a few hours on
> our
> > last trip and the parking brake was set the entire time... Everything
> back
> > there is well cooked and it needs a rebuild, but for a few dollars more I
> > could possibly upgrade.
> > _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103243 is a reply to message #103227] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 11:58 |
Kosier
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Dan,
Since I have the Reaction Arm rear brakes, I can safely say that
it is a terrific change. I'm sure I don't have the rear brake
pads anywhere broken in yet, but it is wonderful. You don't
realize how much you have adjusted your driving style to
compensate for the rear drums. Now, I just hit the pedal and it
hunkers down and stops. A good, secure feeling.
Gary Kosier
77EII & 77PB
Newark, Ohio
- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Gregg" <gregg_dan@hotmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
>
> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great
> brakes until I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half
> rear discs but he has twice the stopping power that I have, not
> really but seems so. I plan to follow Marcel and get them
> installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on by
> Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on them
> then.
> Dan
> --
> Dan & Teri Gregg
>
> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103253 is a reply to message #103243] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 13:04 |
Bryan Davies
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Gary do you have the original airbag or a dual bag setup? Bryan
On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Kosier wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Since I have the Reaction Arm rear brakes, I can safely say that
> it is a terrific change. I'm sure I don't have the rear brake
> pads anywhere broken in yet, but it is wonderful. You don't
> realize how much you have adjusted your driving style to
> compensate for the rear drums. Now, I just hit the pedal and it
> hunkers down and stops. A good, secure feeling.
>
> Gary Kosier
> 77EII & 77PB
> Newark, Ohio
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Gregg" <gregg_dan@hotmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
>
>>
>>
>> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great
>> brakes until I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half
>> rear discs but he has twice the stopping power that I have, not
>> really but seems so. I plan to follow Marcel and get them
>> installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on by
>> Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on them
>> then.
>> Dan
>> --
>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>
>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103254 is a reply to message #103253] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 13:08 |
Kosier
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Bsryan,
Quadra-Bag>
Gary Kosier
77EII & 77PB
Newark, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Davies" <bdgmcmail@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
> Gary do you have the original airbag or a dual bag setup? Bryan
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Kosier wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Since I have the Reaction Arm rear brakes, I can safely say
>> that
>> it is a terrific change. I'm sure I don't have the rear brake
>> pads anywhere broken in yet, but it is wonderful. You don't
>> realize how much you have adjusted your driving style to
>> compensate for the rear drums. Now, I just hit the pedal and
>> it
>> hunkers down and stops. A good, secure feeling.
>>
>> Gary Kosier
>> 77EII & 77PB
>> Newark, Ohio
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Gregg" <gregg_dan@hotmail.com>
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bryan, that is my next planned upgrade. I thought I had great
>>> brakes until I drove Rob Mueller's coach. Rob only has half
>>> rear discs but he has twice the stopping power that I have,
>>> not
>>> really but seems so. I plan to follow Marcel and get them
>>> installed on all 4 rear bogies. I hope to have them on by
>>> Patterson next Spring. I will be able to give a report on
>>> them
>>> then.
>>> Dan
>>> --
>>> Dan & Teri Gregg
>>>
>>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103259 is a reply to message #103239] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 13:48 |
mjbourgon
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So are on the same page I also own my own business and charge by the hour.
I know how a man should work and what is a fair price.
I don't have a problem with a fair price but I do not gouge my customer and
accordingly I do not like being had. I felt I was way overcharged for what
was done. You want to talk to me let me know I will be glad to give you my
phone and discuss this off line
Marcel
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 09:05
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
> Jim K can speak for "his technicians" as if they were indentured servants
> or
> somthing. I have been in the business long enough to know that 35 year old
> stuff doesen't disassemble well. Bolt heads are rusted and rounded, brake
> fittings are the same, you touch one thing in the system and something
> else
> falls apart in your hand. If you quote a fixed price like Midas and some
> of
> the others do, you are setting yourself up to take a loss on the job. If
> your shop rates are reasonable and competitive and the technicians are
> competent, then by the hour is only fair to both customer and shop. No
> independent shop can long endure without making a profit, it is what makes
> the GMC wheels go around. You can always get somebody to work for less but
> shoddy work has it's own rewards. Buyer beware is still good advise. My
> personal opinions here.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 Royale 403
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:13 AM, <mjbourgon@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Good morning from El Paso
>> Before we left for Alaska I stopped at applied and had them do the rear
>> bogies with their disk brake package. They worked perfectly and my baby
>> stops on a dime. With all the mountain highways we encountered it was a
>> real good feeling to know she would stop and stop well.
>> On a down side it got out of hand money wise. His boys worked pretty
>> slow
>> and the labor costs killed me. You might want to use a local mechanic
>> and
>> have him install them. Mine does not use a emergency brake but they
>> installed a line lock and when the adjustment on transmission failed and
>> I
>> had no park the line lock was a great idea when parked. Like I said
>> great
>> idea but a bit pricey
>> Marcel
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Davies" <bdgmcmail@gmail.com>
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 21:02
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>>
>>
>> > Anyone out there have experience with the Applied GMC Disc brake
>> > conversion for the rear bogies? I let my wife drive for a few hours on
>> our
>> > last trip and the parking brake was set the entire time... Everything
>> back
>> > there is well cooked and it needs a rebuild, but for a few dollars more
>> > I
>> > could possibly upgrade.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103261 is a reply to message #103229] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 13:50 |
mjbourgon
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The tires I took off were Kuhmo mojave and maybe they are good but they did
not survive the alaskan trip very well.
I did not say the local boys could do it faster just a lot less expensive
Marcel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:50
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
> Marcel,
>
> A couple of weeks ago you noted that you had bad luck with Kumho tires but
> did not specify what type of Kumho tires basically condemning them all. To
> date you have not advised what type they were which, I hate to say, makes
> the information you provided useless.
>
> Now you tell everybody that Jim K's boys worked pretty slow and the labor
> costs killed you. You then suggest you have a local mechanic install the
> setup.
>
> I am not trying to defend Jim K or his "boys" but I (and probably the rest
> of the people on the net) would appreciate it if you would provide
> specifics
> when you have problems. In this case how many hours did they charge you
> to-do the job. What EXACTLY did they install? Was it the disk brake
> package
> only, did it include the Quadra bag setup.
>
> Also I find it interesting that you feel a "local" mechanic who probably
> has
> NEVER seen the conversion could do it faster.
>
> I apologize if you take this as criticism but as Jack Webb on Dragnet used
> to say "just the facts, sir."
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> mjbourgon@earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:14 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
> Good morning from El Paso
> Before we left for Alaska I stopped at applied and had them do the rear
> bogies with their disk brake package. They worked perfectly and my baby
> stops on a dime. With all the mountain highways we encountered it was a
> real good feeling to know she would stop and stop well.
> On a down side it got out of hand money wise. His boys worked pretty slow
> and the labor costs killed me. You might want to use a local mechanic and
> have him install them. Mine does not use a emergency brake but they
> installed a line lock and when the adjustment on transmission failed and I
> had no park the line lock was a great idea when parked. Like I said great
> idea but a bit pricey
> Marcel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Davies" <bdgmcmail@gmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 21:02
> Subject: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes
>
>
>> Anyone out there have experience with the Applied GMC Disc brake
>> conversion for the rear bogies? I let my wife drive for a few hours on
>> our
>
>> last trip and the parking brake was set the entire time... Everything
>> back
>
>> there is well cooked and it needs a rebuild, but for a few dollars more I
>> could possibly upgrade.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Disc brakes [message #103265 is a reply to message #103234] |
Sun, 17 October 2010 14:08 |
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Matt Colie
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| Bryan Davies wrote on Sun, 17 October 2010 10:28 |
I was of the opinion that you actually minimize the brake reaction issue when you are operating with a dual airbag system (all bags independent of each other). I currently have the Harrison dual bags installed. Installing the reaction system at this point will improve the stopping effectiveness but to a much lesser extent than if it was installed on a stock airbag coach. Bryan
On Oct 17, 2010, at 9:26 AM,
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Byron,
I kind of hate to tell you this, but I did run all the numbers (as best I could from published and field measured dimensions). As it turns out, the suspension coupling (OE, dual or Quad) does not make a great deal of difference in the amount of braking available by the trailing arm. The trailing arm will unload and the leading arm will load up no matter what else is going on. It because the brake backing plate is attached to the arm.
The big limit on the system is the retarding capacity of the 11*2 brake. These were pretty good in their day, but that day was about 30 years ago.
There are some things about the "good old days" that just were not all that good.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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