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[GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103024] Thu, 14 October 2010 22:28 Go to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Kelvin

do you remember where this restrictor you found in the Carbon Canister
circuit?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36398&title=slide128&cat=3619

I would like to know where to look for it.

gene


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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103027 is a reply to message #103024] Thu, 14 October 2010 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KRDietz is currently offline  KRDietz   United States
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On 10/14/2010 8:28 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher wrote:
> Kelvin
>
> do you remember where this restrictor you found in the Carbon Canister
> circuit?
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36398&title=slide128&cat=3619
>
> I would like to know where to look for it.

My vapor separator is very different than most.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=13484&cat=4192

I was cutting the carbon canister line off if it (very old, hard hose)
and found it right there near the forward nipple.

Kelvin

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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103037 is a reply to message #103027] Fri, 15 October 2010 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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> > I would like to know where to look for it.
>
> My vapor separator is very different than most.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=13484&cat=4192
>
> I was cutting the carbon canister line off if it (very old, hard hose)
> and found it right there near the forward nipple.
>
> forward nipple ? the one on the left in this picture?

the one that leads to the carbon canaster
and
this is all located at the drivers side - rear- wheels.....

so---- seems this might be a function of this " different separator" --
only on 73s?

or it might be this one shown here
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36399&title=slide129&cat=3619


I will go look at my 73 tomorrow, and my 26 ;>)
if this is plugged, it might be part of why some folks have pressure in
tanks while running?

tanks
gene


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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103040 is a reply to message #103037] Fri, 15 October 2010 06:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 01:40

... the one that leads to the carbon canaster
and this is all located at the drivers side - rear- wheels.....

so---- seems this might be a function of this " different separator" --
only on 73s? ...


I remember JimB making a comment about '73's and a box of chocolates. You never know what you'll get. Each '73 is a little different.

I do know that there was a fuel/vapor separator that had a return line to the side of the main tank. I understand it did not make it to the production GMC's (at least not very many) but the connection on the side of the main tank did. (And this unused connection has to be plugged.)


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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103054 is a reply to message #103037] Fri, 15 October 2010 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/15/2010 1:40 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher wrote:
>>> I would like to know where to look for it.
>> My vapor separator is very different than most.
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=13484&cat=4192
>>
>> I was cutting the carbon canister line off if it (very old, hard hose)
>> and found it right there near the forward nipple.
>>
>> >forward nipple ? the one on the left in this picture?

Yes.
> the one that leads to the carbon canaster and
> this is all located at the drivers side - rear- wheels.....

Yes again.
> so---- seems this might be a function of this " different separator" --
> only on 73s?

Well, that's certainly a possibility. It's gone now.
I've actually attached a length of clear fuel line to that port and
routed it upward.. I can fill the tanks now and click the pump off when
I see fuel in that "sight glass". Always getting the same amount of
fuel in the tank so my tank-to-tank mileage calculations are accurate.
Always drove me crazy that I never really knew how much gas I'd actually
gotten into the tanks.


Kelvin
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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103060 is a reply to message #103054] Fri, 15 October 2010 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelvin,
I would like to understand that "sight glass" idea. Where is/was your fuel vapor separator located? At what height? Does your separator work as a fuel inlet at the bottom and the vapor outlet in a stand-pipe somewhat higher inside the container?

Thanks


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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103065 is a reply to message #103024] Fri, 15 October 2010 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Interesting question. I'd like to know exactly what the restrictor does. If it allows some pressure to build up in the fuel tanks, it could reduce the vapor lock problem -- sort of along the lines I proposed by sealing the connection but in a more thought out way. Since I completely replaced all my fuel/vapor lines, if there was a restrictor in one of them, it's gone.

Jack Christensen - K6ROW, '76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet", Sebastopol, CA
Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103076 is a reply to message #103065] Fri, 15 October 2010 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My guestimate would be that since it's in a 'vent' line, it is to keep too much liquid from getting past it..

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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103083 is a reply to message #103076] Fri, 15 October 2010 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In the event of a fuel/vapor separator failure, the restrictor would serve
to prevent large quanities of fuel from overloading the charcoal cannister
and reaching the carb. with the end result of a very rich condition. When
the fuel/vapor separator does it's job properly, the restrictor is
reduntant.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Charles Wood <cbwoodsr@swbell.net> wrote:

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> My guestimate would be that since it's in a 'vent' line, it is to keep too
> much liquid from getting past it..
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Re: [GMCnet] Carbon Canister Restrictor [message #103127 is a reply to message #103065] Fri, 15 October 2010 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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captjack wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 09:18

Interesting question. I'd like to know exactly what the restrictor does. If it allows some pressure to build up in the fuel tanks, it could reduce the vapor lock problem -- sort of along the lines I proposed by sealing the connection but in a more thought out way. Since I completely replaced all my fuel/vapor lines, if there was a restrictor in one of them, it's gone.


My guess was to try and keep too much air from getting into the manifold and messing with the air/fuel mixture.


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[GMCnet] "Sight Glass" on vapor separator. [message #103792 is a reply to message #103060] Fri, 22 October 2010 12:20 Go to previous message
KRDietz is currently offline  KRDietz   United States
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> Kelvin,
> I would like to understand that "sight glass" idea. Where is/was your fuel vapor separator located? At what height? Does your separator work as a fuel inlet at the bottom and the vapor outlet in a stand-pipe somewhat higher inside the container?

Finally got a couple pictures. Would be better if the tire was off but
I wasn't that energetic.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36471&title=vapor-separator-on2773-230&cat=3240
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36470&title=vapor-separator-on2773-230&cat=3240

Added a section of clear fuel line to the system. Replacing the line
that used to go to the carbon canister.
This stuff will yellow over time but I'll simply replace it at that
point. Not 100% sure it's "fuel line" but I know it is vapor line. I
only have the tanks full when I'm about to take a trip. I don't expect
the coach to sit with fuel in this line for any length of time.

Kelvin
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