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Re: [GMCnet] 2 interesting topics. Warming up your engine before leaving the drive. Piston travel. [message #326900 is a reply to message #326875] Fri, 08 December 2017 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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cbryan wrote on Thu, 07 December 2017 21:11
Matt,

With reference to the idling before setting off issue, and the piston feet per minute, I am assuming that the higher compression, the higher BMEP, all things else being equal, the greater ring and cylinder wall wear?

That, if true, might mean that the new Mazdas with their "Skyactiv" technology with 14 to 1 compression will wear out sooner. There is the factor as well, that I have read that engines last far longer with fuel injection due to the excessively rich condition with carbs when cold. Like, about twice as much mileage on a engine before it is worn out.

Looking at the factor that friction increases as the square of RPM, it would also make sense that operating at low RPM would add engine longevity as well, assuming that the friction increase at least is partly located in the piston-cylinder interface and will result in increased wear. Hard to see where if there is no friction, that any wear at all will occur.

Not anything I have measured, to be sure. I have been an advocate for setting out immediately with a cold engine, not asking more than the minimum until there's an indication on the temperature gauge, or on my Toyota, when the green "cold engine" light goes out. I've never worn out an engine in my life. Oops, those chain saws I lunched due to using on-hand outboard oil in the fuel mix, I wore them out. How easy it is to believe I am smarter than the company engineers. And to find out the hard way they were right. It took two chain saws before the light came on. You have to use 2-stroke oil rated for "air cooled engines", at least my experience has bought me that knowledge.

Thanks for sharing your hard-won knowledge with us. It's really interesting.

Carey

Carey,

Unfortunately, higher compression does not make for a universally higher BMEP. Compression ratio is a static number and BMEP is completely dynamic. There is a lot that goes into BMEP, but all BMEP does come out as torque.

Skyactiv is a Mazda label for lots of new stuff. It covers a diesel, a transmission and a direct injection SI engine. The claimed 14:1 may be real, but for it to be an SI (Spark Ignition) engine - even while direct injected, it needs to control the manifold pressure. Direct injection for SI engines is not new. The DB605 used in the BF109 was a direct injected engine.

Just in my working lifetime, engine building technology has made amazing changes everywhere. One of the biggest has been the capability of manufactures to make round cylinder bores. The round bore allows a low tension ring. The low tension ring allows the use of both a better oil control hone finish on the bore wall and a better wearing alloy for the compression rings. This all adds up pretty fast.

There is a variety of engine dynomometer that is just a big DC machine on bearings. The reason I said machine is because they are capable of both motoring and absorbing. Very early in every engine program, we would do a motoring curve. With the intake at WOT, spin the engine at continually increasing speed to see that A: Everything works as it should (disasters are less exciting with cold engine) and B: Actually measure the internal friction. The observed friction increase was typically very linear until higher speeds when the pumping loss for the charge air would get in the way. If you happen to notice, the more recent engines pay a lot of attention to the intake and exhaust design. This is not just your imagination. There is a lot that can be done there. And with the EPA pushing so many things, smaller engines doing more work can be an advantage to many things.

The wet fuel issue was first noticed when passcar engines were converted to gas fuel - either LP or natural - and it is real, but they do still have wear issues. Those engine still do not live forever, but an industrial 455 on natural gas will come pretty close. Those were shipped with hard exhaust seats and forged cranks.

Let's not get into the problems of crankcase scavenged 2-stokes. They are a breed all to there own. You are not nearly the only person to discover that the wrong lube oil is a bad idea.

It is my honor to share as much as I can. I get to where I am with the help and guidance of many good people.

Matt


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