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Re: [GMCnet] First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #323158 is a reply to message #323139] Sat, 02 September 2017 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Aaron   United States
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Well, this is very interesting - I understand about not including the inverter. I thought I would need a 50 amp switch because the onan power would be running through it - but you are saying that is not the case, that I only need a 30 amp switch which would be activated by my 30 AMP shore power, not the onan? (Onan would be the default power so only the contacts would be experience more than 30 amps.)

Also, hashing this over with a friend who is more familiar with electronics than I am, then reviewing some switch terminology - I'm pretty sure I need a DPDT relay, but the one you linked to below is DPST.

Are you thinking of a way to do this with a ST switch? Either way, if I can do it with one really, one diode and one capacitor, then I think I can handle that.

Please realize this post makes me sound a little more electronics savy than I really am.

Aaron







Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 01 September 2017 21:38
Aaron,

You overestimate the cost and complexity of a DIY auto transfer switch.
Here's a first-look relay for $18.49:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-PB/T92S7D22-110/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtSzCF3XBhmW6vMa%2fMpJxoP71VMV4XEUfE%3d

Only one relay is needed if you only want to transfer between shore and
generator -- just delete all the connections and components in the Inverter
section.

But if you're not comfortable with that level of electrical fabrication,
stick with the factory-built solution. But remember that with your
isolated ground system, you shouldn't need a 50A switch. I believe you'll
find that all commercial transfer switches operate just about like my
diagram, meaning that the shore power will never see the Onan's combined
Neutral and Ground connection.

HTH,

Ken H


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Aaron Bush wrote:

> Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 01 September 2017 15:36
>> Aaron,
>>
>> I'm with Rick; your solution needn't be too complicated; the Coachmen
>> should have had separated Neutral and Ground busses.
>
>
> That's correct - my busses are separate at all boxes on my coach - the
> ground and neutral are only connected at the generator and that neutral is
> not
> switched anywhere, nor is the ground from the generator. The comment about
> the neutral and ground busses being connected was not mine, and it's not
> actually the problem that I have. I guess the *simplest* thing for me to
> do would be to put in a double pole breaker at the main generator box - but
> that still leaves a convoluted set-up with more boxes, more wire, and
> certainly more junction boxes and wire nuts, than I actually need. Also, if
> I
> get rid of the excess boxes and wire I will gain some usable storage
> space. Also doesn't resolve power for my 2nd AC on shore power. So toss that
> idea.
>
>
> Quote:
>> As for the switching, I'm not sure ordinary 50A Automatic Transfer
> Switches
>> will recognize the 30A plugs you intend to use. Further, there
> complexity
>> and cost are not justified. Here's DIY version of a 30A transfer I've
>> used, without attention, for the past 19 years:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3484-automatic-120-
> vac-power-source-selection.html
>>
>> It's simply wired; in fact, mine's in excess space inside my replaced
>> circuit breaker panel (that's probably not Kosher, 'tho').
>
>
> Mmmmm, this seems a bit complicated to me. It's certainly a little more
> than I'm easily comfortable with in terms of electrical diagrams - but it
> looks like I would need two of the power relays ($50 each), two diodes(14
> cents each), and two capacitors (don't know the price.) That puts me at
> around before the capacitors $100, about $50 less than the switch I am
> looking at. Basically you built your own automatic transfer switch correct?
> It
> might be worth $50 of my money right now to pay some one else to build it
> for me. I would probably enjoy doing that if I had a little more time for
> it.
>
> I'll double check on whether the PD52 transfer switch will work with 30
> amps - I believe it will, but the connection instructions for that switch
> are
> not entirely clear.
>
>
Your proposed 2nd A/C solution is certainly workable, but in the
> past when
> working on 30A service coaches, I've just added a separate 15A CB box and
> line cord for the 2nd A/C. [/quote]
>
> I though it would be easier to rely on the shore power breaker for the
> rear AC - but it's probably not as good as having my own. I might add in a
> breaker there for piece of mind.
>
> Thanks for the reply and info!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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