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Re: [GMCnet] Another trip screwed up by another China built electric fuel pump [message #322697 is a reply to message #322696] Sat, 26 August 2017 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Rob,
I have heard stories, but since your telling it, It is more convincing.
Thanks,

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> G'day,
>
> As most of you know I worked for the Hamilton Standard Division of The
> United Technologies Corporation as a Field Service Rep and
> was based in Hong Kong from 1991 to 1999. I visited all the Chinese
> airlines in existence at that time quarterly. While I saw some
> nightmare practices when the Chinese were left to their own devices there
> were products that were as good as any made anywhere in
> the world. The following is what I KNOW about manufacturing in China
> during that time period. Obviously I don't know what is
> happening in 2017.
>
> 1) When an American aircraft company sold an aircraft to China the Chinese
> required offset credits. They had to buy product to the
> value of 15% of the contract. For example if Boeing sold them a Boeing
> 747-400 (price around $150,000,000 at the time) they had to
> buy $22,250,000 worth of Chinese products. In Boeings case to meet this
> requirement they set up a production line for the B737
> vertical stabilizer at the Xian Aircraft Factory (XAC) in Xian, China. The
> shipped ALL the tools and equipment to produce part. They
> then shipped ALL the materials to produce the part including rough
> forgings that needed to be CNC machined. They had a team of
> Boeing personnel on site that managed the process that duplicated the
> methods and procedures used in the USA (or anyplace else their
> parts were manufactured). I saw the results of this process and the parts
> were as good as any US made products. Think about it for a
> moment, do you think Boeing would build aircraft with sub standard parts?
>
> 2) British Aerospace (BAE) sold the BAE-146 to China, the entered into a
> deal with the Harbin Aircraft Company HAC) to produce the
> doors for the aircraft as an offset. The first lot was for 10 ship sets (a
> ship set is all the door required to build one aircraft).
> I don't know if BAE provided HAC with the tools and materials as Boeing. I
> do know that when BAE went to Harbin to inspect the 10
> ship sets they rejected a significant number of the doors. HAC wanted BAE
> to pay them for the good doors and they would fix the
> rejected doors. BAE refused telling the Chinese that Chinese airlines
> wanted doors on the aircraft when BAE delivered them.
>
> 3) The XAC built a copy of the Fokker F-27 called the Yun-7 (regional /
> commuter aircraft with a high wing and turbo prop engine).
> They wanted to sell them to the world but no one was interested, the
> airframe was fine but the systems sucked. They went to Pratt &
> Whitney, Hamilton Standard, Bendix, Parker Hannifin, etc. and bought
> systems to replace the Chinese systems. When we proposed
> selling them a composite propeller that went 6000 hours time between
> overhaul (TBO) they said that was IMPOSSIBLE we couldn't build
> a propeller that went that many hours! We assured them they would (HS
> makes the props for the DeHavilland Dash 7, Dash 8, Avion
> Transport Regional ATR-42 & -72, Casa Nurtanio CN-235, and Saab Fairchild
> SF-340 and they all had props that had a 6000 TBO). We
> asked what the TBO was for the Chinese props on the Yun-7 was and were
> informed 600 hours. NO WONDER they didn't believe SIX
> THOUSAND HOURS! The same scenario existed for the engines; however, I
> don't remember the TBO on the engine but it was laughable.
>
> 4) Lufthansa went into partnership with Air China to set up an aircraft
> maintenance company, it was called Ameco-Beijing. Talk about
> a marriage NOT made in heaven. I am of German descent and speak German,
> whenever I would visit the Germans would tell me stories of
> things the Chinese did that would make your hair stand on end.
>
> 5) I was visiting China Northern Airlines in Shenyang and stopped by the
> GE Reps office. He had a massive snap ring sitting on his
> desk and since I had never seen one as large I asked him about it. He
> noted it went around the main shaft of a GE engine and was
> part of the system that held the main shaft together. He handed it to me
> and told me to look it over and note what I saw. I did so
> and said it seemed a bit rough. He then said 'well that's because China
> Northern engineering made it themselves because the genuine
> GE part was too expensive!"
>
> 6) During the same visit McDonnell Douglas had a team in Shenyang
> repairing a DC-9 that a Chinese pilot had run the wing tip into
> the ground (I don't know how he did it). One of the Chinese engineers came
> up to them and told them that their company built poor
> quality aircraft. They asked him why he said that and he told them that
> they "bend." Obviously this created concern so they asked
> him for more details. He took them over to a DC-9 and showed them that the
> skin was all wrinkled near the tail. They thanked him for
> showing them the "poor quality aircraft" and called the local rep over to
> the aircraft to show him the "poor quality aircraft." The
> bottom line is that aircraft had undergone an EXTREMELY hard landing. The
> local rep went through the aircraft log book but couldn't
> find any reports of a hard landing (which is required). He did find an
> entry noting that all the tires had been changed a couple of
> weeks previously. The hard landing was not reported because the pilot
> would have "lost face."
>
> 7) Along with the visiting the airlines I'd check out the local tourist
> spots plus I would have taxi drivers take me to where they
> sold tools and hardware. I needed an impact drill because the house in
> Hong Kong was poured concrete. I found a Hitachi brand drill
> for around $100 US. Sitting right next to it was a Hit brand drill that
> looked EXACTLY like the Hitachi the only difference was the
> color of the plastic housing. It was $50. I asked some contacts I had in
> Hong Kong that worked for companies that purchased tools
> and equipment from China and they advised that they would contract for
> 1000 pieces and the Chinese would make more and sell them on
> the local market and some of them would find their way out of China. I
> asked why they put up with that kind of monkey business and
> they all said that it was a common practice and if you terminate the
> contract they continue to make them anyway and the new
> manufacturer would probably do the same and good luck suing them in a
> Chinese court!
>
> 8) I visited the Guangzhou (Canton) Trade fair yearly from 1991 to 1999
> and noted that the quality of the tools improved
> consistently. They figgered out the better the tools were made the more
> money they could get for them.
>
> I may be returning to China in October for a 10 day tour, I'm looking
> forward to seeing the changes. I think I might just do some
> tool shopping as well, as most of you know you NEVER have enough tools! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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>
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