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 Topic: hei cap orientation
Re: hei cap orientation [message #328524 is a reply to message #328379] Tue, 23 January 2018 01:19
cadelec is currently offline  cadelec   Australia
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thanks for everyones input
today i solved the running rough .
i am rusty on working on engines and need to get up to speed, typically i bypasssed the critical first steps of look at the obvious instead i suspected the items i had no understanding on.
this coach has been here for 4 years and i would periodically go and start it up.
at one stage it started running rich
then the fuel pump then passed away so it sat for a little longer about 6 months
i finally got a new pump and it started but was running rough.
as it is not registered i cannot take it out for a test drive
6 months passes again and it is time to start the registration process
i need to get it weighed so i run the gauntlet and drive about 2 kilometres to the weighbridge
it backfires all the way but i get there and back
so i google backfiring and read that maybe a valve is stuck open
so istart to pull plugs to do a compression test and i noticed the wires on the cap problem
so i stop and post my original question on this site
this takes me on a tangent of trying to learn everthing about who the EFI works
this has been a good learning curve for me as i have a bit better knowledge as to which components are which
on sunday i was talking to a mechanic friend and he tells me to get an ALDL cable so i can see what is going on in the computer for in the future (i ordered one yesterday)
he also says that last time he saw me start it up it was running very rich and maybe the plugs are fouled
today finally i pull plug #7 and what do you know it is oiled up
get 8 new plugs now runs like a champ

whats the saying keep it simple stupid



Trevor Brisbane Australia Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores) 71 Cadillac Eldo Convert 58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Project
 Topic: Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve
Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328523] Tue, 23 January 2018 00:14
THOMAS R WHITTON is currently offline  THOMAS R WHITTON   United States
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Suggestions on removing the proportional valve. 
I have loosened the tubing nuts from the valve but all the nuts are frozen to the tubing.  I'm sure I would corkscrew the tubing if I try turning the nuts more than a quarter turn or so.  There is no sign of rust on the tubing or the nuts but, of course, I can't see between the parts.  How do you free the nuts loose from the tubing?  I don't relish the thought of ruining  and having to replace the brake lines.
This is a job I've never done and can use suggestions.
Tom Whitton26 foot upgraded GMCPaducah, Ky

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Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328528 is a reply to message #328523] Tue, 23 January 2018 06:21
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Patience, Patience, Patience.

Soak the nuts and tube with Kroil, once a day for 5 days. Then give it a try.

A little heat from a propane torch before soaking and then shooting the connections with Kroil to rapidly cool them sometimes helps speed up the process. Do not over heat them because there is brake fluid inside that can boil at somewhere over 300 degree F. Once you get one of them to move even slightly keep soaking and move then back and forth while soaking with more Kroil.

If you do not have Kroil, get some and in the interim use PB Blaster. It will just take you longer.

You can also mix up your own using a 50/50 mix acetone and Power Steering Fluid. I just unlocked a frozen 403 engine that had been sitting of 19 years. I soaked the cylinders for about 3 weeks with this mix before it broke loose.

Patience is a virtue. Give it plenty of time to work.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328530 is a reply to message #328523] Tue, 23 January 2018 07:50
lqqkatjon is currently offline  lqqkatjon   United States
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Ken's advice is spot on. chances are you may twist and brake a line. Some are shorter and easier to replace(i broke off the one going up to master cylinder and was not bad). Otherwise you have the option of cutting and flaring and adding a union and small piece. That is not ideal.

Like ken said, lots of penetrant.


Jon Roche 75 palm beach St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328531 is a reply to message #328530] Tue, 23 January 2018 08:45
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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A crows foot 3/8 or 1/4 drive wrench and a small impact tool can send enough shock waves through the fasteners to break the nut free from the line after judicious application of penetrant. If not, I usually use the smallest torch tip I have and heat just the nut to expand it a smidgen to get them to separate. Same story on wheel cylinders but sometimes can't get the crows foot wrench on those. Don't forget to use a wrench on the block and put your turning force against that instead of relying on only the block mounting.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
 Topic: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September.
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328525 is a reply to message #328516] Tue, 23 January 2018 02:27
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.

As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number and took over having them made. They are being made off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year it becomes a little harder to get them in the quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early pre-order.

We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much help because most people want both sides. Even if we found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint differences.

We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.

I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large air tight container that I would have to build or find. I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328526 is a reply to message #328525] Tue, 23 January 2018 05:28
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Ken,

I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.

He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.

Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree a large container would be impossible because of the size
it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure on it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!

You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were packaged for Project Apollo.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September.

I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.


As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number and took over having them made. They are being made
off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
pre-order.

We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much help because most people want both sides. Even if we
found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
differences.

We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.


I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that
they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large air tight container that I would have to build or find.
I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana



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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328533 is a reply to message #328526] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:08
Ronald Pottol is currently offline  Ronald Pottol   United States
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I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re pump
every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air, or
oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.

Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10 year,
but perhaps I should move that up a bit.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting
> into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
> and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>
> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of
> the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>
> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree
> a large container would be impossible because of the size
> it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure on
> it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>
> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were packaged
> for Project Apollo.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of Ken
> Burton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
> To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana
> Iowa in September.
>
> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North
> American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>
>
> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number
> and took over having them made. They are being made
> off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every
> year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
> quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by
> the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
> other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
> the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting
> as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
> pre-order.
>
> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much
> help because most people want both sides. Even if we
> found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different
> manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
> differences.
>
> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach
> that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>
>
> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement
> for future use. For long term storage I was told that
> they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon
> drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
> some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328534 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:23
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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There are some bags that are used to store quilts, blankets, wedding
dresses, etc in. My wife (Mary) not Judy, used them for storage of stuff.
The vacuum was provided by a home vacuum cleaner or a shop vac. They worked
well. Might Google them and see what pops up.
Jim Hupy

On Jan 23, 2018 7:09 AM, "Ronald Pottol" wrote:

> I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
> easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re pump
> every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air, or
> oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.
>
> Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10 year,
> but perhaps I should move that up a bit.
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting
>> into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
>> and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
>> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>>
>> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of
>> the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>>
>> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree
>> a large container would be impossible because of the size
>> it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure
> on
>> it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>>
>> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were
> packaged
>> for Project Apollo.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Burton
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
>> To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana
>> Iowa in September.
>>
>> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All
> North
>> American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>>
>>
>> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number
>> and took over having them made. They are being made
>> off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every
>> year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
>> quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned
> by
>> the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
>> other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
>> the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting
>> as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
>> pre-order.
>>
>> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
>> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
>> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not
> much
>> help because most people want both sides. Even if we
>> found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different
>> manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
>> differences.
>>
>> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old
> coach
>> that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>>
>>
>> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my
> basement
>> for future use. For long term storage I was told that
>> they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
>> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
>> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon
>> drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
>> some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328535 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:42
Dave Stragand is currently offline  Dave Stragand   United States
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If anyone can save me a pair of castoff foggy but uncracked windshields
within 250 miles or so of Pittsburgh, I will gladly pay you for them!

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of
Ronald Pottol
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:09 AM
To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in
Amana Iowa in September.

I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re
pump every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air,
or oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.

Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10
year, but perhaps I should move that up a bit.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt
> getting into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal and
> retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>
> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out
> of the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>
> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I
> agree a large container would be impossible because of the size it
> would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure
> on it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>
> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were
> packaged for Project Apollo.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 USA '75 Avion - Double
> Trouble TZE365V100426 USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of
> Ken Burton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
> To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in
> Amana Iowa in September.
>
> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All
> North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>
>
> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT
> number and took over having them made. They are being made off-shore
> and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year
> it becomes a little harder to get them in the quantities we need.
> There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same
> manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all other wholesale
> suppliers in the US. We ended up getting the ones we needed from the
> warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted.
> That was with a four month early pre-order.
>
> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not
> much help because most people want both sides. Even if we found
> matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers
> product in the same coach due to possible tint differences.
>
> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old
> coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>
>
> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my
> basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that they
> need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55
> gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about some
> like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328536 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:52
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Fogged windshields are a cosmetic thing. You can get by with them as long as it does not bother you. Most of them replaced are for fogging. I can not tell you if the replacement ones will last any longer than the original ones before they start to fog again. All you can do is try to seal them up around the edges before and after they are installed and hope for the best.

These guys have something black in a can with a dauber that they paint around the edges prior to installing them. Then after they are installed but before the lock bead is inserted they also put some polyurethane? sealant in between the rubber gasket and the glass. How much good it does over time, I do not know. They did mine about 14 years ago and they have not started to show any fogging yet. I'm not sure what causes the fogging. Is it Air or moisture or? I remember when I was young seeing all of the old cars in the junk yard with badly fogged windshields. I do not see that in the junk yards today. Maybe now the cars are crushed and recycled before they get that old. I was told by someone at Coach Glass years ago that storing them in a vacuum would prevent the fogging. I do not know anything more than that.

I have a 1978 Eleganza currently in my hangar. It spent it's last 19 years sitting inside a nice cement floor pole barn unused. I have not noticed any fogging but I also was not specifically looking it. Maybe those did not fog because it was not out in the sun fo at least 1/2 of it's life. .

I'm sorry I do not have the answers. I have never installed a windshield in my life. I have just organized the installs and watched others do it.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 Topic: [GMCnet] FITECH Mystery solved
Re: [GMCnet] FITECH Mystery solved [message #328539 is a reply to message #328512] Tue, 23 January 2018 10:40
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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SONICJK wrote on Mon, 22 January 2018 18:41
Good to know Jerry thanks for the update.

Larry, why would the pressure build past the regulator? The fitech already has a built in regulator, and you've added another. Curious where the spike in pressure is coming from. Boiling fuel from heat soak?



I have not added another regulator YET. Just considering putting another in because it worked so good with the MPI system I had. Yes, the Fitech has a built in regulator. It works with the Fuel Command Center, regulating and returning fuel to that FCC. My Fitech is dead headed. The regulator is located back at the tank and regulates and returns fuel before it goes to the TB. Boiling fuel from a heat soak builds pressure and since the TB is dead headed, (no return line from the TB) and the engine is not running to relieve the head soak pressure, the pressure has no where to go, so builds to a point that it holds the injector pintles closed, and no start for lack of fuel. Cracking open the plug on the TB relieves the pressure and allows the pintles to open and engine to start. By putting another FPR on the output side of the TB set to 15 or 20lbs higher than the running pressure, it allow s the engine to run normally. When heat soak occurs and the pressure gets to 70lbs or so, the return regulator bleeds off excess pressure allowing the pintles to open and engine to start. It worked on my old system, should work on this. I've talked to tech support at FiTech and they concur. Just my theory on what's happening here.


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 Topic: Overbore Size
Re: Overbore Size [message #328538 is a reply to message #328505] Tue, 23 January 2018 10:31
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On a LOT of engines 0.060" is probably over the RECCOMMENDED maximum.
Ken H. knows some engine people that could probably give a very educated opinion.
0.060" might work on a particular block but not on another of the same type/brand, etc.
Core shift.
Ken H's friend might also be willing to tell us about "core shift"


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Re: [GMCnet] Overbore Size [message #328540 is a reply to message #328538] Tue, 23 January 2018 10:52
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Dave,
You are not that far from Dick Paterson up in Coldwater, ONT. You can reach him at 705 325-4554. He is the go to person on the 455 engine and the 403 too.

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> On Jan 23, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Dave King wrote:
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> On a LOT of engines 0.060" is probably over the RECCOMMENDED maximum.
> Ken H. knows some engine people that could probably give a very educated opinion.
> 0.060" might work on a particular block but not on another of the same type/brand, etc.
> Core shift.
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Re: [GMCnet] Overbore Size [message #328541 is a reply to message #328540] Tue, 23 January 2018 11:18
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It's worth the time to contact people like Dick Patterson as he is familiar with the 455/403

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> On Jan 23, 2018, at 10:52 AM, John Wright wrote:
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> Dave,
> You are not that far from Dick Paterson up in Coldwater, ONT. You can reach him at 705 325-4554. He is the go to person on the 455 engine and the 403 too.
>
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>> On Jan 23, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Dave King wrote:
>>
>> On a LOT of engines 0.060" is probably over the RECCOMMENDED maximum.
>> Ken H. knows some engine people that could probably give a very educated opinion.
>> 0.060" might work on a particular block but not on another of the same type/brand, etc.
>> Core shift.
>> Ken H's friend might also be willing to tell us about "core shift"
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 Topic: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach
Re: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach [message #328527 is a reply to message #328521] Tue, 23 January 2018 06:02
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Thanks Pete

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Re: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach [message #328532 is a reply to message #328521] Tue, 23 January 2018 08:55
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Where are you, Matt? I am in Smithfield and you can look at mine if you want. Fairly neat and complete, almost stock interior, except for the bathroom door being removed for repair(which was a can of worms best left alone, even if it was damaged). In the carport now, so rain is not a factor in viewing it.

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Re: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach [message #328542 is a reply to message #328521] Tue, 23 January 2018 11:59
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I'll be through in a couple months if that helps?

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Re: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach [message #328543 is a reply to message #328542] Tue, 23 January 2018 12:22
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The TWC rally in VA Beach isn't until Oct, so it would be a while. There
are a couple members in the VA Beach area though. You can try posting
something on the facebook group or using the contact us on the website
(bottom of the page).

http://gmctidewatercrabs.com/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/141736789738596/

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 Topic: Bullitthead re bath door repair
Bullitthead re bath door repair [message #328544] Tue, 23 January 2018 13:42
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Bullitthead wrote on Tue, 23 January 2018 08:55
almost stock interior, except for the bathroom door being removed for repair(which was a can of worms best left alone, even if it was damaged). In the carport now, so rain is not a factor in viewing it.


What problems are you having with the repair. Mine is getting loose where the door is bonded to the hinge.


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