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 Topic: Honda Oddsey gray leather seats
Honda Oddsey gray leather seats [message #328529] Tue, 23 January 2018 06:23
palerider is currently offline  palerider   United States
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Registered: September 2013
Location: Hill country, Texas
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Bought several years ago and never got around to installing. Hate to see them go to waste. I gave 200 for them but will let them go for 150. If someone wants them I will send a pic and hold till they can be picked up. Kingsland, Texas ..... Tom
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 Topic: hei cap orientation
Re: hei cap orientation [message #328524 is a reply to message #328379] Tue, 23 January 2018 01:19
cadelec is currently offline  cadelec   Australia
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Registered: September 2011
Location: Brisbane Australia
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thanks for everyones input
today i solved the running rough .
i am rusty on working on engines and need to get up to speed, typically i bypasssed the critical first steps of look at the obvious instead i suspected the items i had no understanding on.
this coach has been here for 4 years and i would periodically go and start it up.
at one stage it started running rich
then the fuel pump then passed away so it sat for a little longer about 6 months
i finally got a new pump and it started but was running rough.
as it is not registered i cannot take it out for a test drive
6 months passes again and it is time to start the registration process
i need to get it weighed so i run the gauntlet and drive about 2 kilometres to the weighbridge
it backfires all the way but i get there and back
so i google backfiring and read that maybe a valve is stuck open
so istart to pull plugs to do a compression test and i noticed the wires on the cap problem
so i stop and post my original question on this site
this takes me on a tangent of trying to learn everthing about who the EFI works
this has been a good learning curve for me as i have a bit better knowledge as to which components are which
on sunday i was talking to a mechanic friend and he tells me to get an ALDL cable so i can see what is going on in the computer for in the future (i ordered one yesterday)
he also says that last time he saw me start it up it was running very rich and maybe the plugs are fouled
today finally i pull plug #7 and what do you know it is oiled up
get 8 new plugs now runs like a champ

whats the saying keep it simple stupid



Trevor Brisbane Australia Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores) 71 Cadillac Eldo Convert 58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Project
 Topic: Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve
Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328523] Tue, 23 January 2018 00:14
THOMAS R WHITTON is currently offline  THOMAS R WHITTON   United States
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Registered: September 2016
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Suggestions on removing the proportional valve. 
I have loosened the tubing nuts from the valve but all the nuts are frozen to the tubing.  I'm sure I would corkscrew the tubing if I try turning the nuts more than a quarter turn or so.  There is no sign of rust on the tubing or the nuts but, of course, I can't see between the parts.  How do you free the nuts loose from the tubing?  I don't relish the thought of ruining  and having to replace the brake lines.
This is a job I've never done and can use suggestions.
Tom Whitton26 foot upgraded GMCPaducah, Ky

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Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328528 is a reply to message #328523] Tue, 23 January 2018 06:21
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Patience, Patience, Patience.

Soak the nuts and tube with Kroil, once a day for 5 days. Then give it a try.

A little heat from a propane torch before soaking and then shooting the connections with Kroil to rapidly cool them sometimes helps speed up the process. Do not over heat them because there is brake fluid inside that can boil at somewhere over 300 degree F. Once you get one of them to move even slightly keep soaking and move then back and forth while soaking with more Kroil.

If you do not have Kroil, get some and in the interim use PB Blaster. It will just take you longer.

You can also mix up your own using a 50/50 mix acetone and Power Steering Fluid. I just unlocked a frozen 403 engine that had been sitting of 19 years. I soaked the cylinders for about 3 weeks with this mix before it broke loose.

Patience is a virtue. Give it plenty of time to work.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328530 is a reply to message #328523] Tue, 23 January 2018 07:50
lqqkatjon is currently offline  lqqkatjon   United States
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Registered: October 2010
Location: St. Cloud, MN
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Ken's advice is spot on. chances are you may twist and brake a line. Some are shorter and easier to replace(i broke off the one going up to master cylinder and was not bad). Otherwise you have the option of cutting and flaring and adding a union and small piece. That is not ideal.

Like ken said, lots of penetrant.


Jon Roche 75 palm beach St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
Re: [GMCnet] GMCNet Proportional Valve [message #328531 is a reply to message #328530] Tue, 23 January 2018 08:45
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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A crows foot 3/8 or 1/4 drive wrench and a small impact tool can send enough shock waves through the fasteners to break the nut free from the line after judicious application of penetrant. If not, I usually use the smallest torch tip I have and heat just the nut to expand it a smidgen to get them to separate. Same story on wheel cylinders but sometimes can't get the crows foot wrench on those. Don't forget to use a wrench on the block and put your turning force against that instead of relying on only the block mounting.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
 Topic: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach
Re: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach [message #328527 is a reply to message #328521] Tue, 23 January 2018 06:02
Matt Sereby is currently offline  Matt Sereby   United States
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Registered: January 2018
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Thanks Pete

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid
On Jan 22, 2018 10:26 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
>
> I suggest you check with the tidewater crabs GMC club and see when there next get together is.....
>
> There are lots of different layouts and finishes and I suggest you try to see them all before choosing.
>
> I also read the last few years of posts in this forum. You will learn a lot about these machines.
>
> Pete
> --
> Cary, NC
>
> 1978 Center Kitchen Royale.
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Re: [GMCnet] 26' within 100 miles of Virginia Beach [message #328532 is a reply to message #328521] Tue, 23 January 2018 08:55
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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Where are you, Matt? I am in Smithfield and you can look at mine if you want. Fairly neat and complete, almost stock interior, except for the bathroom door being removed for repair(which was a can of worms best left alone, even if it was damaged). In the carport now, so rain is not a factor in viewing it.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
 Topic: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September.
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328525 is a reply to message #328516] Tue, 23 January 2018 02:27
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.

As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number and took over having them made. They are being made off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year it becomes a little harder to get them in the quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early pre-order.

We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much help because most people want both sides. Even if we found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint differences.

We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.

I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large air tight container that I would have to build or find. I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328526 is a reply to message #328525] Tue, 23 January 2018 05:28
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Ken,

I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.

He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.

Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree a large container would be impossible because of the size
it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure on it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!

You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were packaged for Project Apollo.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September.

I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.


As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number and took over having them made. They are being made
off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
pre-order.

We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much help because most people want both sides. Even if we
found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
differences.

We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.


I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that
they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large air tight container that I would have to build or find.
I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana



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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328533 is a reply to message #328526] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:08
Ronald Pottol is currently offline  Ronald Pottol   United States
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I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re pump
every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air, or
oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.

Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10 year,
but perhaps I should move that up a bit.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting
> into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
> and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>
> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of
> the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>
> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree
> a large container would be impossible because of the size
> it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure on
> it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>
> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were packaged
> for Project Apollo.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of Ken
> Burton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
> To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana
> Iowa in September.
>
> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North
> American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>
>
> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number
> and took over having them made. They are being made
> off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every
> year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
> quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by
> the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
> other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
> the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting
> as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
> pre-order.
>
> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much
> help because most people want both sides. Even if we
> found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different
> manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
> differences.
>
> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach
> that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>
>
> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement
> for future use. For long term storage I was told that
> they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon
> drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
> some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
>
>
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1973 26' GM outfitted
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328534 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:23
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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There are some bags that are used to store quilts, blankets, wedding
dresses, etc in. My wife (Mary) not Judy, used them for storage of stuff.
The vacuum was provided by a home vacuum cleaner or a shop vac. They worked
well. Might Google them and see what pops up.
Jim Hupy

On Jan 23, 2018 7:09 AM, "Ronald Pottol" wrote:

> I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
> easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re pump
> every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air, or
> oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.
>
> Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10 year,
> but perhaps I should move that up a bit.
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting
>> into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
>> and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
>> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>>
>> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of
>> the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>>
>> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree
>> a large container would be impossible because of the size
>> it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure
> on
>> it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>>
>> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were
> packaged
>> for Project Apollo.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Burton
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
>> To: gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana
>> Iowa in September.
>>
>> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All
> North
>> American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>>
>>
>> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number
>> and took over having them made. They are being made
>> off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every
>> year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
>> quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned
> by
>> the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
>> other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
>> the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting
>> as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
>> pre-order.
>>
>> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
>> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
>> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not
> much
>> help because most people want both sides. Even if we
>> found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different
>> manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
>> differences.
>>
>> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old
> coach
>> that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>>
>>
>> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my
> basement
>> for future use. For long term storage I was told that
>> they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
>> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
>> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon
>> drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
>> some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
>>
>>
>>
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