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fuel air meter [message #371276] Wed, 12 April 2023 15:04 Go to next message
Tilerpep is currently offline  Tilerpep   United States
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I'm wondering about adding a fuel air meter to give a broad sweep of feedback given carburetor, gas, load, crossover, etc changes that may or may not be leaving expensive rich or damaging lean running conditions.

Why is this gauge not very common? Amazon cheap setups start at $100, and better rated stuff seems to be about $200

Thoughts?
Thanks


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Re: fuel air meter [message #371277 is a reply to message #371276] Wed, 12 April 2023 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tilerpep wrote on Wed, 12 April 2023 15:04
I'm wondering about adding a fuel air meter to give a broad sweep of feedback given carburetor, gas, load, crossover, etc changes that may or may not be leaving expensive rich or damaging lean running conditions.

Why is this gauge not very common? Amazon cheap setups start at $100, and better rated stuff seems to be about $200

Thoughts?
Thanks
We installed a Innovate wideband O2 meter in preparation for fuel injection while the Quadrajet was still being used. Interesting to see how the fuel ratio was all over the place and it ran fine.


Wally Anderson
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Re: fuel air meter [message #371279 is a reply to message #371277] Thu, 13 April 2023 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WAlly,
Interesting to know mixture was all over the place. Did you get any usable/actionable information from the O2 meter before going to fuel injection?


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Re: fuel air meter [message #371280 is a reply to message #371279] Thu, 13 April 2023 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dsmithy wrote on Thu, 13 April 2023 17:31
WAlly,
Interesting to know mixture was all over the place. Did you get any usable/actionable information from the O2 meter before going to fuel injection?
Yeah, my big take away was the the engine seemed not to care much about ratio. It would go down the the 11's on a floor it and cold starts. Cruise was 13 to 15's. Ours will lean stumble somewhere between 16 to 16.5. We don't need to keep a catalytic converter happy so there is no need to be at 14.7 all the time. We can tune for drivability. Maybe Matt Collie will chime in here....


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Re: fuel air meter [message #371281 is a reply to message #371280] Fri, 14 April 2023 09:46 Go to previous message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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wally wrote on Thu, 13 April 2023 18:39

Yeah, my big take away was the the engine seemed not to care much about ratio. It would go down the the 11's on a floor it and cold starts. Cruise was 13 to 15's. Ours will lean stumble somewhere between 16 to 16.5. We don't need to keep a catalytic converter happy so there is no need to be at 14.7 all the time. We can tune for drivability. Maybe Matt Collie will chime in here....
Thats how it should work. EFI will do the same. The engine definitely cares about the mixture!
You want a richer mix at WOT for more power, leaner at part throttle for better fuel eco.
16:1 is really lean and a carb will have a hard time responding fast enough, EFi can respond in 1 injector squirt.

A WB O2 is very helpful in tuning a carb or EFI


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