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Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #369990] Mon, 20 June 2022 21:41 Go to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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I had a leak in one of the two tanks. I could smell it but the only time it would drip is when I’d fill full. So I dropped both tanks. Each tank has two vents. A vent nipple on the top of th tank and a vent the sending unit. I found the first obvious leak at the reserve tank vent where the hose slipped off of the reserve tank vent nipple. So I then plugged all access points on the tanks and pressurized the tanks. Then took soapy water to every connection. The next leak I found was at the main tank. There was a pin hole leak where the vent nipple is soldered to the tank. Cleaned it up and applied JB weld. Finally, I have in-tank pumps and found leaks around where the vent comes out of both sending unit vents. Cleaned up and JB welded it. While it was apart I replaced the fuel pump strainers, (AKA “socks”) and sent the tanks out for cleaning. I know most people think that dropping tanks is a difficult job. But even with the extra wiring and steel line connections, the whole dropping thing, start, to tanks on my work bench took about 1 1/2 hrs. Spent most of the time waiting while pumps drained the tanks into waiting 5gal gas cans. The most interesting thing about draining the tanks was, after pumping the tanks dry, and the tanks were out, I tipped the tanks on their side and poured out the excess fuel that the pumps would not take. Total fuel remaining in both tanks when pumped “dry” was only 1qt. Yes, your read that right....1 qt. Amazing…thought it would be more than that. Waiting now for my tanks to come back from Irvington Garage. JWID

Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #369993 is a reply to message #369990] Tue, 21 June 2022 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lqqkatjon is currently offline  lqqkatjon   United States
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I found the same thing. Using an electric pump takes time, but once the tanks are drained that method they are virtually empty. The one time I drained tanks using the drain plug(on steve's lift), I got a surprise bath in fuel when we started pulling the tank down.

those vents are a weak link on the tanks, the one you mentioned I have seen loose before.(Ed's). and I have seen many examples of the vent nipple loose and needing to be jb welded.


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Re: Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #369994 is a reply to message #369990] Tue, 21 June 2022 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dsmithy is currently offline  dsmithy   United States
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Larry,
What are you going to have Irvington Garage do?


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Re: Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #369998 is a reply to message #369993] Tue, 21 June 2022 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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I lucked out. The drain plugs came out of both tanks all five times. After the first, I always put them back in a non-hardening pipe thread sealant. I got really good at taking down the tanks..... They now have not been out for 10 years.
Mine too had leaks at the small fitting for vapor vent and generator fuel. The big help here is that I also have a 500W soldering iron, so I re-tinned and ran new solder where the leaks were. I was surprised when I pressurized the tanks to 1 (1.0) psi how much the tank shape changed.

Matt


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Re: Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #370001 is a reply to message #369994] Tue, 21 June 2022 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Doug, they are cleaning the fuel tanks. Brad has been doing this and radiators for 25 yrs.
Larry


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #370002 is a reply to message #369998] Tue, 21 June 2022 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 21 June 2022 11:55
I lucked out. The drain plugs came out of both tanks all five times. After the first, I always put them back in a non-hardening pipe thread sealant. I got really good at taking down the tanks..... They now have not been out for 10 years.
Mine too had leaks at the small fitting for vapor vent and generator fuel. The big help here is that I also have a 500W soldering iron, so I re-tinned and ran new solder where the leaks were. I was surprised when I pressurized the tanks to 1 (1.0) psi how much the tank shape changed.

Matt
I pressurized it by blowing on the vent tube as hard as I could, then quick slipping a plug in the vent tube. Don't have any idea what kind of pressure I created. A gas tank bj.


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: Finding fuel tank leaks. [message #370003 is a reply to message #369990] Wed, 22 June 2022 07:57 Go to previous message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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I had the same issue with a leak only when the tanks were full. I replaced the loose cinched in vent line with a brass one and J-B Welded it in place. Its been about 6 years and no more issues.

I also installed metal lines on top of the tanks. Good thing because I noticed the fill vent hose jumper was breaking down. It was an easy quick fix with hopefully better quality hose.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g7006-fuel-tank-lines.html


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