boybach wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 19:09

In a perfect world, Canada would build a refinery and refine the mud from the tar sands in situ.

The country's domestic consumption could be priced accordingly and well below world price.

Unfortunately, the world is NOT perfect.

Larry

In a perfect world, Canada would leave the mud in the ground. That stuff is as dirty as coal.
In Canada they use relatively clean petroleum gas to extract that crap. Same for US tar sands.

mghamms wrote on Sun, 12 June 2022 17:04

boybach wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 19:09

In a perfect world, Canada would build a refinery and refine the mud from the tar sands in situ.

The country's domestic consumption could be priced accordingly and well below world price.

Unfortunately, the world is NOT perfect.

Larry

In a perfect world, Canada would leave the mud in the ground. That stuff is as dirty as coal.
In Canada they use relatively clean petroleum gas to extract that crap. Same for US tar sands.

Good point.
In the same vein, how dirty is the ethanol that's added to gasoline?
It cost me $107CAD to fill a Subaru today. I've not had to do much driving lately, plus, it doesn't take premium like our last Subaru did, so it didn't hurt so badly.

Now, if I can just get my Onan to burn some gasoline. I finally have spark.

Not only food, the destruction ethanol has caused engines is unbelievable. I remember when people were just throwing away their old Briggs and Stratton engines thinking they were old and failed. Never knowing that the new ethanol fuel was eating up the carburetor "O" rings. Perfectly good engines destroyed by Ethanol. They would have lasted many more years if not for Ethanol. Small engines are still being damaged as ethanol fuel has a 4 month shelf life and it pull moisture from the air around it and suspends the water in the fuel. Straight gas has a 4 year shelf life.

Ethanol was not a great replacement for the lead.
Not a perfect solution but at least it didn't do the harm to people and the environment that lead did.

Used for political reasons to support farmers.

I run only E10 87 and store it at 1/4 tank over winter at 45F. No problems ever. I have Barricade fuel lines. Just did a 400 mile trip. No issues. Ethanol has an octane equivalent of 113. Great antiknock properties. No MTBE toxins. Yes slightly less calories. But I can run more timing than with 87 E0. People used to love alcohol. It was sold as HEET. They would pay money and then pour it in their tanks. Nonsense that E10 is THAT bad.

Ethanol was not a great replacement for the lead.
Not a perfect solution but at least it didn't do the harm to people and the environment that lead did.

Used for political reasons to support farmers.

While I understand that the cause of the fuel prices may be political, so that will not be discussed.

What is very true is that we have limited resources and I am sure that may others do as well. I am watching fuel prices along the intended route (Thank You GasBuddy) and hoping that some time before 01 September I can plan a route that gets the projected cash cost of the excursion into a range that we can manage. Right now, that is not looking so good.

Such is the nature of life these days.

Matt

With fuel @ ~ $5.50/gal it would be ~$800 plus rally fees etc. for me to travel solo to the rally in Tennessee. Puts the direct expense cost over $1300. Since I figure I have only so many trips to GMCMI rallies left in the future (sadly it appears I'll age out before the motorhome does) I'm still considering the trip. If it goes to >$6.00/gal I'm staying home and will do local trips instead.