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Gas price rose to $2.39/litre ($8/US Gallon) in Victoria BC this morning. Yesterday’s price $2.21. So an overnight price hike of 18¢/litre (68¢ gallon)

Practically double the price at the beginning of the year. Just dandy. The price was cramping my style a bit before; Now? yikes!

Larry



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Re: Gas [message #369880 is a reply to message #369879] Tue, 07 June 2022 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We were thinking of doing a trip to the west coast this summer. But now the fuel from Ontario to BC and back will be about $6,000, so that's not happening.



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Re: Gas [message #369881 is a reply to message #369880] Tue, 07 June 2022 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well Chit Guys,
I'm glad I not in Canada. It is bad enough here that I am wondering if I will be able to front the fuel for the run to Lebanon and that is only about 600 miles for me.
Matt


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Re: Gas [message #369882 is a reply to message #369879] Tue, 07 June 2022 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Katzenberger is currently offline  Tom Katzenberger   United States
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Just thinking it might be better to scoot to Canada, then cross the country?

Tom & Oki Katzenberger, Kingsville, Maryland, 1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
Re: Gas [message #369883 is a reply to message #369879] Tue, 07 June 2022 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom,
Our gas is sold in Litres. There are 3.78 litres in a US gallon and with the currency exchange $1 USD = $0.75 CDN

So $ Cdn2.39/litre = 2.39 x 3.78 * 0.75 = $6.78USD per US gal I'm thinking you best stay south of the border for cheapest gas.

Its about 4,100 kms from here to Vancouver if going through the USA rather than 4,600kms if staying in Canada, so saves about 500kms each way. But then we need to worry about the hassle of getting travel health insurance etc. That would cost a lot more than 500 kms worth of gas in both directions.


Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
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Re: Gas [message #369885 is a reply to message #369883] Tue, 07 June 2022 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sad, isn't it?


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Re: Gas [message #369889 is a reply to message #369879] Tue, 07 June 2022 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Katzenberger is currently offline  Tom Katzenberger   United States
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Bruce,

My bad, I did not pay attention to the details. I just thought with all the oil sands , you guys would have much cheaper fuel. And not having Biden as a president would be such a plus. I know Trudeau is giving you guys a little grief, but I could never imagine him being a worst president than Biden. I guess all politicians have a way of making the little guys suffer.

Looks like I'll just be camping in my driveway.

Take care of yourselves up North and I hope for the best for you guys as well,

Tom K.


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Re: Gas [message #369894 is a reply to message #369889] Wed, 08 June 2022 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom Katzenberger wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 21:01
Bruce,

My bad, I did not pay attention to the details. I just thought with all the oil sands , you guys would have much cheaper fuel. And not having Biden as a president would be such a plus. I know Trudeau is giving you guys a little grief, but I could never imagine him being a worst president than Biden. I guess all politicians have a way of making the little guys suffer.

Looks like I'll just be camping in my driveway.

Take care of yourselves up North and I hope for the best for you guys as well,

Tom K.

Oil companies are posting record profits and setting high crude oil prices all over the world, don't think Biden and Trudeau have a whole lot to do with it.
My oil and gas stocks are up about 80% plus collecting dividends, it's the only way to beat them.


Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
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Re: Gas [message #369895 is a reply to message #369879] Wed, 08 June 2022 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just don't understand why Biden needs to crawl to OPEC when we were supplying so much oil less then 18 months ago?

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Re: Gas [message #369896 is a reply to message #369895] Wed, 08 June 2022 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom Katzenberger wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 10:01
I just don't understand why Biden needs to crawl to OPEC when we were supplying so much oil less then 18 months ago?
From what I understand, oil-sands and frakking oil is only economically feasible if the price of crude is high, otherwise it's not worth getting it out of the ground. So companies keep the price high and make out like bandits at both ends.
Canada has lots of oil, but it's hard to get it to market. We still import oil to our eastern refineries because it's cheaper, plus the refineries aren't set up to refine the bitumen rich oil-sand crude.

We could certainly use a relief from some of the taxes on gasoline, but most of the rising price is just oil companies jacking up prices and profits.

Perhaps if Keystone XL had gone through it would have been a bit of a relief?


Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her Roxie
Re: Gas [message #369897 is a reply to message #369896] Wed, 08 June 2022 13:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's just like anything else, a matter of supply and demand. The oil companies must love it when the government types mess with the supply, especially when the demand is increasing by leaps and bounds. It makes it easy (necessary) for them to raise their prices. The best way to combat this is for the powers that be to stop cancelling oil and gas leases and pipeline projects.

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The heavy Crude needs a specific kind type of refinery. BP spent several billion and several years modernizing Whiting, IN to handle just that. The other refinery capable of this is Texas City which also can do crude oil from Venezuela. Tight now Whiting is throttled down due to lack of crude coming from Western Canada. The crude they are getting is coming in by rail with higher transportation costs. They have the capability but not the product to refine. You should see the long trains tank cars moving through this area on the railroads.

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https://www.voanews.com/a/australia-ministers-meet-to-discuss-gas-shortage-crisis/6608229.html

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jun/08/price-of-uk-petrol-makes-biggest-daily-jump-in-17-years

It's pretty much a worldwide price gouge. Refining capacity is down so refineries are charging huge amounts for processing now too.
Here are some insights and predictions of gasoline prices.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/060722-oil-gasoline-prices-to-pare-gains-but-remain-high-through-2022-2023-eia


Burl Vibert
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Tom Katzenberger wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 22:01
Bruce,

.... And not having Biden as a president would be such a plus. I know Trudeau is giving you guys a little grief, but I could never imagine him being a worst president than Biden. I guess all politicians have a way of making the little guys suffer.
Tom K.
Please we need to keep politics out of this..This is about GMC Motorhomes and not who is or isn't president or Prime Minister of Canada.


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In a perfect world, Canada would build a refinery and refine the mud from the tar sands in situ.

The country's domestic consumption could be priced accordingly and well below world price.

Unfortunately, the world is NOT perfect. Rolling Eyes

Larry


Larry - Victoria BC - 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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rjw wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 15:45
Tom Katzenberger wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 22:01
Bruce,

Tom K.
Please we need to keep politics out of this..This is about GMC Motorhomes and not who is or isn't president or Prime Minister of Canada.
Thank you, Richard


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My apologies ladies and gentlemen.

Just very disgusted how fast and how far fuel prices have gone up in a year and a 1/2. I spent a considerable amount of money refurbishing my RV only to find that fuel costs are going through the roof. If I would have known this before I started restoring my GMC, perhaps I wouldn't have embarked on this undertaking. I was hoping to go to as many GMC rallies and functions as possible, but it appears my plans may have to changed. I'm sure others may be in the same boat as well. Especially if one is on a fixed income.

Everyone take care,
Tom K.


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You can still enjoy your coach on shorter excursions. And save on hotel and food by RVing not hoteling and dining out. Work done is still a good investment.

John Lebetski
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boybach wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 19:09
In a perfect world, Canada would build a refinery and refine the mud from the tar sands in situ.

The country's domestic consumption could be priced accordingly and well below world price.

Unfortunately, the world is NOT perfect. Rolling Eyes

Larry
In a perfect world, Canada would leave the mud in the ground. That stuff is as dirty as coal.
In Canada they use relatively clean petroleum gas to extract that crap. Same for US tar sands.


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