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| Replacing the AC compressor [message #369350] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 09:18  |
6cuda6
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So whom has replaced their AC compressor? If you have, what did you put back in its place? Old style or new? If you put in the new style what else did you need or have to modify etc....i think mine is toast and the "one who must be obeyed" said she isn't roasting again this summer during our tour.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369351 is a reply to message #369350] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 10:49  |
Ken Burton
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I used OEM style. What is wrong with the old one? If it is leaking, usually it is the front seal. Replace the front seal, o-rings, vacuum, and refill with Duracool. 20 to 25 PSI at 1500 rpm. Do NOT overcharge the system with refrigerant (Duracool). 2.5 to 3 cans maximum.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369355 is a reply to message #369350] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 11:49 |
Scott Nutter
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I went with the new Sanden ac compressor. I ordered it from Applied as a whole kit. I’ve had no issues the last 5 years with it. No modifications needed as it comes with new brackets. Now I can change valve cover gaskets on the right side without removing the AC brackets.
Scott
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369359 is a reply to message #369351] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 13:43 |
6cuda6
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Ken, its not leaking actually after about 2 or 3 minutes or running it get very very noisy...it may have simply been overcharged so i'm going to drain the system and refill it before i commit but i just want to be prepared in the worst case.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369360 is a reply to message #369355] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 13:45 |
6cuda6
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Scott Nutter wrote on Sat, 02 April 2022 12:49I went with the new Sanden ac compressor. I ordered it from Applied as a whole kit. I’ve had no issues the last 5 years with it. No modifications needed as it comes with new brackets. Now I can change valve cover gaskets on the right side without removing the AC brackets.
Scott
Scott i would love to support Jim at Applied more but the exchange and shipping just trashes any chance of doing such so i have to resort to everyones knowledge and good old elbow grease/fabrication skills.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| [GMCnet] Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369361 is a reply to message #369355] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 13:32 |
David Herbert
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Good info. Should I change anything in the original Airconditioning/ box.
Ducts while I have it all apart to make it work better?
1974 Canyon Lands
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:49 AM Scott Nutter wrote:
> I went with the new Sanden ac compressor. I ordered it from Applied as a
> whole kit. I’ve had no issues the last 5 years with it. No modifications
> needed as it comes with new brackets. Now I can change valve cover gaskets
> on the right side without removing the AC brackets.
> Scott
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> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final
> drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless
> water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
> Houston, Texas
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369362 is a reply to message #369350] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 14:14 |
JohnL455
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Noisy after running usually means improper charge. Feel the suction line. It needs to be cold leaving the evaporator, but equally cold where it enters the compressor to cool it.
I think the Sandens come in different BTUs but none match the Frigidair A6 BTUs.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| [GMCnet] Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369365 is a reply to message #369360] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 15:24 |
CJV
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Now that the border is open again, we can have stuff sent to Rolla, ND. US shipping rates are CONSIDERABLY less than shipping to Canada. Then we just drop over the border, pick up the shipment and pay for the gas by buying a tankful, stateside. Duty at the border is usually less than charged by the carrier. Haven't yet figured out how to avoid exchange!
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Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Replacing the AC compressor
Scott Nutter wrote on Sat, 02 April 2022 12:49
I went with the new Sanden ac compressor. I ordered it from Applied as a whole kit. I’ve had no issues the last 5 years with it. No
modifications needed as it comes with new brackets. Now I can change valve cover gaskets on the right side without removing the AC brackets.
Scott
Scott i would love to support Jim at Applied more but the exchange and shipping just trashes any chance of doing such so i have to resort to everyones
knowledge and good old elbow grease/fabrication skills.
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Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| [GMCnet] Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369369 is a reply to message #369367] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 21:31 |
jimk
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The problem with the original compressor is that there are new parts for
the rebuilders and they end up reusing the old parts which fail.
We were having to warranty so many of the old ones till we started the
Sanden Kit.
Sanden compressors create lot less drag.
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 2:12 PM Matt Colie wrote:
> Fortunately, we have JimK to get things right.
> When my A6 was leaking badly, I tried try suppliers of Sanden and another
> that said they A6 bolt-in replacements.
> None actually were, I finally got a hold of the friend that knew about
> resealing the A6. Man, that thing is heavy.
> Matt
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369373 is a reply to message #369360] |
Sun, 03 April 2022 01:37 |
Ken Burton
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It could be a lot of things but some more questions.
Does it make noise when the engine is running without the AC clutch engaged? Or does it make noise only when the clutch is engaged (meaning the AC is on full). Does the AC clutch switch off and on (cycle) when the AC is on full?
Where I am headed with these questions is the possibility it is the clutch, or clutch bearing, or the front bearing on the compressor shaft, or just a worn belt.
All of these can be replaced on the coach without loosing the refrigerant.
Also have you tried looking at the pressures with a set of AC gauges?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369374 is a reply to message #369373] |
Sun, 03 April 2022 05:24 |
6cuda6
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Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 02:37It could be a lot of things but some more questions.
Does it make noise when the engine is running without the AC clutch engaged? Or does it make noise only when the clutch is engaged (meaning the AC is on full). Does the AC clutch switch off and on (cycle) when the AC is on full?
Where I am headed with these questions is the possibility it is the clutch, or clutch bearing, or the front bearing on the compressor shaft, or just a worn belt.
All of these can be replaced on the coach without loosing the refrigerant.
Also have you tried looking at the pressures with a set of AC gauges?
Ken clutch engages runs for about a 2 or 3 minutes then it sounds like their is rocks in it. Compressor doesnt cycle off when the noise starts. No noise with clutch disengaged.
I havent put gauges on it yet, going to do that in a couple weeks when i get home.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369375 is a reply to message #369350] |
Sun, 03 April 2022 09:10 |
JohnL455
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Besides incorrect charge there could be air/moisture in system. Do you know for a fact it was properly evacuated before last charge? I would think an A6 with broken internals would be noisy all the time not just after 2 mins. I had a noisy R4 compressor on an 80s GM that would get noisy after a few mins and adding R12 quieted it down. Then the suction line was ice cold all the way back to the compressor, not just cold leaving the evaporator.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369376 is a reply to message #369375] |
Sun, 03 April 2022 10:15 |
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JohnL455 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 10:10Besides incorrect charge there could be air/moisture in system. Do you know for a fact it was properly evacuated before last charge? I would think an A6 with broken internals would be noisy all the time not just after 2 mins. I had a noisy R4 compressor on an 80s GM that would get noisy after a few mins and adding R12 quieted it down. Then the suction line was ice cold all the way back to the compressor, not just to the receiver dryer.
Honestly i dont....that is why im thinking of doing it just incase its indead not charged correctly.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369384 is a reply to message #369350] |
Mon, 04 April 2022 18:41 |
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The a6 is higher capacity than the Sanden, recommended if you're going to use extra evaporators. Find a shop with a gray haired tech and have them rebuild it if it leaks. The Sanden is much lighter weight, and the Applied kit makes it a bolt - in conversion where everything fits as it should. It should run one small outboard evaporator. Or use only outboard and fit two, skip the OEM one to which the airflow path is incredibly convoluted. Someone had a picture of a pair mounted in the side kick panels with fans, the plumbing might get expensive. Find an 80s Suburban in the junkyard and remove the rear A/C unit and the Y pipes on the refirgerant lines. Mountit where you like.
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Braselton, Ga.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369385 is a reply to message #369384] |
Mon, 04 April 2022 19:54 |
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John,
We now supply the Sanden that has the same capacity as the original, soit
can support the aul coil if needed.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 4:41 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> The a6 is higher capacity than the Sanden, recommended if you're going to
> use extra evaporators. Find a shop with a gray haired tech and have them
> rebuild it if it leaks. The Sanden is much lighter weight, and the
> Applied kit makes it a bolt - in conversion where everything fits as it
> should.
> It should run one small outboard evaporator. Or use only outboard and fit
> two, skip the OEM one to which the airflow path is incredibly convoluted.
> Someone had a picture of a pair mounted in the side kick panels with fans,
> the plumbing might get expensive. Find an 80s Suburban in the junkyard and
> remove the rear A/C unit and the Y pipes on the refirgerant lines.
> Mountit where you like.
>
> --johnny
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> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
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| [GMCnet] Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369386 is a reply to message #369385] |
Mon, 04 April 2022 20:05 |
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I purchased the larger Sanden compressor from Jim and it does work well with my OEM dash evaporator as well as a large 18,000 btu auxiliary evaporator that I had used for years with my original A6 compressor.
It works well and mounts easily without the large mounts over the valve cover that the A6 uses.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick CO
> On Apr 4, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> John,
> We now supply the Sanden that has the same capacity as the original, soit
> can support the aul coil if needed.
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>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 4:41 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> The a6 is higher capacity than the Sanden, recommended if you're going to
>> use extra evaporators. Find a shop with a gray haired tech and have them
>> rebuild it if it leaks. The Sanden is much lighter weight, and the
>> Applied kit makes it a bolt - in conversion where everything fits as it
>> should.
>> It should run one small outboard evaporator. Or use only outboard and fit
>> two, skip the OEM one to which the airflow path is incredibly convoluted.
>> Someone had a picture of a pair mounted in the side kick panels with fans,
>> the plumbing might get expensive. Find an 80s Suburban in the junkyard and
>> remove the rear A/C unit and the Y pipes on the refirgerant lines.
>> Mountit where you like.
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
>> in hell
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| Re: Replacing the AC compressor [message #369388 is a reply to message #369350] |
Tue, 05 April 2022 08:06 |
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I am running the sandeen. the sandeen has alot less load on the engine... the engine does not even flinch when it kicks in or out. It also can support an aux evaporator.
there are other places you can buy them, but I have to say there is also lots of different sandeen compressors out there on the market, and you might be best to go to applied and pay the shipping. there are some that will fit our original hoses, and others do not. different belt configurations too. and as Jim said it looks like maybe even capacity differences.
Lots of people running the OEM compressor and that is fine, but I am pretty happy with the sandeen in that I doubt it effects gas mileage at all, it does not labor the motor, but the old a6 you could tell when it was on just by sound.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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