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| Beach Towing [message #369268] |
Sat, 26 March 2022 17:10  |
LNelson
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Maybe I should have called this "being towed on a beach". There is a super secret white sand beach / big lake in Nebraska and I want to take my MH up there. The usual drill is to hire the Tractor Guys to tow you in, and tow you back out. Without cracking open the manual, I am wanting to know the best way to hook up a GMCMH for towing out to a waterfront beach location. I had to be towed with my first Palm Beach (N Padre Island NS) and that sand was nothing like the sand up at this super secret lake. Don't want to hurt anything or tear anything off. This is NOT towing as in "tow me home, AAA".......Next time I am under the coach, I will study the structure for this type of pulling. Thoughts?
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
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now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| Re: Beach Towing [message #369269 is a reply to message #369268] |
Sat, 26 March 2022 18:36  |
Ken Burton
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How far are you wanting to tow the coach.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369277 is a reply to message #369276] |
Sun, 27 March 2022 09:38 |
stu@97381.com, Emery
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Larry
When we lived in Michigan we did a lot of beach camping on fresh water. Great beaches along Lake Michigan, Lake Charlevoix, and many other places. Easy access from roads. No long drives across sand.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
FrederickCO
> On Mar 27, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Larry Nelson wrote:
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> I am going by my NPINS (north Padre Island National seashore) experience. I discovered way back then how easy it was to get stuck in sand. I did not
> even know I was stuck until we were ready to pull out. If you get off the packed "road" sand, you are in trouble. No, I did not know about deflating
> tires or having any sort of ramp products. A good samaritan and with a one ton dually easily pulled me out (a distance of about 8'). This beach in
> Nebraska requires towing some hundreds of feet, to get you to a place at the water side. The GMC, and I love mine to death....just is not made to
> drive in deep sand (or head up a snowy mountain road from a dead start :lol: ). I would assume that the deft touch of the Tractor Guys operator would
> have as much to do about saving my frame as anything else. This also might be a pipe dream. I aways wanted to camp on a sand beach on FRESH water.
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> now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369279 is a reply to message #369277] |
Sun, 27 March 2022 17:12 |
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Wet Grass and sand are 2 of the fun zones to avoid. Make sure that your
towing insurance is up to date.
J.R. Wright
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GMCGL Tech Editor
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On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:38 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Larry
> When we lived in Michigan we did a lot of beach camping on fresh water.
> Great beaches along Lake Michigan, Lake Charlevoix, and many other places.
> Easy access from roads. No long drives across sand.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> FrederickCO
>
>> On Mar 27, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Larry Nelson larrynelsonarchitect@mchsi.com> wrote:
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>> I am going by my NPINS (north Padre Island National seashore)
> experience. I discovered way back then how easy it was to get stuck in
> sand. I did not
>> even know I was stuck until we were ready to pull out. If you get off
> the packed "road" sand, you are in trouble. No, I did not know about
> deflating
>> tires or having any sort of ramp products. A good samaritan and with a
> one ton dually easily pulled me out (a distance of about 8'). This beach in
>> Nebraska requires towing some hundreds of feet, to get you to a place at
> the water side. The GMC, and I love mine to death....just is not made to
>> drive in deep sand (or head up a snowy mountain road from a dead start
> :lol: ). I would assume that the deft touch of the Tractor Guys operator
> would
>> have as much to do about saving my frame as anything else. This also
> might be a pipe dream. I aways wanted to camp on a sand beach on FRESH
> water.
>> --
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>> Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
>> now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369280 is a reply to message #369279] |
Sun, 27 March 2022 17:50 |
jimk
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What we do is we have them use a Strap and drive the coach behind the tow
and watch the slack.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:12 PM John Wright wrote:
> Wet Grass and sand are 2 of the fun zones to avoid. Make sure that your
> towing insurance is up to date.
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMCGL Tech Editor
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
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> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:38 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Larry
>> When we lived in Michigan we did a lot of beach camping on fresh water.
>> Great beaches along Lake Michigan, Lake Charlevoix, and many other
> places.
>> Easy access from roads. No long drives across sand.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> FrederickCO
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Larry Nelson > larrynelsonarchitect@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going by my NPINS (north Padre Island National seashore)
>> experience. I discovered way back then how easy it was to get stuck in
>> sand. I did not
>>> even know I was stuck until we were ready to pull out. If you get off
>> the packed "road" sand, you are in trouble. No, I did not know about
>> deflating
>>> tires or having any sort of ramp products. A good samaritan and with a
>> one ton dually easily pulled me out (a distance of about 8'). This beach
> in
>>> Nebraska requires towing some hundreds of feet, to get you to a place
> at
>> the water side. The GMC, and I love mine to death....just is not made to
>>> drive in deep sand (or head up a snowy mountain road from a dead start
>> :lol: ). I would assume that the deft touch of the Tractor Guys operator
>> would
>>> have as much to do about saving my frame as anything else. This also
>> might be a pipe dream. I aways wanted to camp on a sand beach on FRESH
>> water.
>>> --
>>> Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
>>> Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
>>> now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369285 is a reply to message #369280] |
Mon, 28 March 2022 07:07 |
Bikertrash
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We did that for 150 Miles, wow was that fun....
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 6:50 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:
> What we do is we have them use a Strap and drive the coach behind the tow
> and watch the slack.
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:12 PM John Wright wrote:
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>> Wet Grass and sand are 2 of the fun zones to avoid. Make sure that your
>> towing insurance is up to date.
>>
>> J.R. Wright
>> GMC Great Laker
>> GMCGL Tech Editor
>> GMC Eastern States
>> GMCMHI
>> TZE Zone Restorations
>> 78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
>> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:38 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Larry
>>> When we lived in Michigan we did a lot of beach camping on fresh water.
>>> Great beaches along Lake Michigan, Lake Charlevoix, and many other
>> places.
>>> Easy access from roads. No long drives across sand.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>> FrederickCO
>>>
>>>> On Mar 27, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Larry Nelson >> larrynelsonarchitect@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am going by my NPINS (north Padre Island National seashore)
>>> experience. I discovered way back then how easy it was to get stuck in
>>> sand. I did not
>>>> even know I was stuck until we were ready to pull out. If you get off
>>> the packed "road" sand, you are in trouble. No, I did not know about
>>> deflating
>>>> tires or having any sort of ramp products. A good samaritan and with
> a
>>> one ton dually easily pulled me out (a distance of about 8'). This
> beach
>> in
>>>> Nebraska requires towing some hundreds of feet, to get you to a place
>> at
>>> the water side. The GMC, and I love mine to death....just is not made
> to
>>>> drive in deep sand (or head up a snowy mountain road from a dead
> start
>>> :lol: ). I would assume that the deft touch of the Tractor Guys
> operator
>>> would
>>>> have as much to do about saving my frame as anything else. This also
>>> might be a pipe dream. I aways wanted to camp on a sand beach on FRESH
>>> water.
>>>> --
>>>> Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
>>>> Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
>>>> now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369307 is a reply to message #369285] |
Tue, 29 March 2022 23:30 |
Ken Burton
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ScottC wrote on Mon, 28 March 2022 07:07We did that for 150 Miles, wow was that fun....
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 6:50 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:
> What we do is we have them use a Strap and drive the coach behind the tow
> and watch the slack.
>
My daughter and I did a similar tow for 63 miles with my Colorado Pick Up late at night. The GMC engine was running so we had vacuum for brakes and electric for lights. She got up to 55, and set the cruise, and off we went. The hardest problem was backing the coach into my hangar across grass.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369308 is a reply to message #369307] |
Tue, 29 March 2022 23:40 |
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Sounds like a circus with no tigers or elephants, but a little bitty fiat
full of clowns. I have towed vehicles short distances with both nylon
straps and cables. Neither of which was an enjoyable experience. My hat is
off to any long distance tours like that. When we were on Old Route 66
tour, one of our GMC's developed quadrajet problems in Joplin, Missouri. We
called a tow truck that lifted the front end up, and towed the GMC. Worked
very slick. I highly recommend that method.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 9:31 PM Ken Burton wrote:
> ScottC wrote on Mon, 28 March 2022 07:07
>> We did that for 150 Miles, wow was that fun....
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 6:50 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:
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>>> What we do is we have them use a Strap and drive the coach behind the
> tow
>>> and watch the slack.
>>>
>
> My daughter and I did a similar tow for 63 miles with my Colorado Pick Up
> late at night. The GMC engine was running so we had vacuum for brakes and
> electric for lights. She got up to 55, and set the cruise, and off we
> went. The hardest problem was backing the coach into my hangar across
> grass.
>
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369309 is a reply to message #369308] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 01:24 |
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You get a wrecker to tow the "tractor"part of an 18-wheeler rig!
Run the GMC's airbags up to maximum to avoid dragging bits of
your rig that you don't want to have dragged!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
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From: James Hupy
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 23:40
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing
Sounds like a circus with no tigers or elephants, but a little bitty fiat
full of clowns. I have towed vehicles short distances with both nylon
straps and cables. Neither of which was an enjoyable experience. My hat is
off to any long distance tours like that. When we were on Old Route 66
tour, one of our GMC's developed quadrajet problems in Joplin, Missouri. We
called a tow truck that lifted the front end up, and towed the GMC. Worked
very slick. I highly recommend that method.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 9:31 PM Ken Burton wrote:
> ScottC wrote on Mon, 28 March 2022 07:07
>> We did that for 150 Miles, wow was that fun....
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 6:50 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:
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>>> What we do is we have them use a Strap and drive the coach behind the
> tow
>>> and watch the slack.
>>>
>
> My daughter and I did a similar tow for 63 miles with my Colorado Pick Up
> late at night. The GMC engine was running so we had vacuum for brakes and
> electric for lights. She got up to 55, and set the cruise, and off we
> went. The hardest problem was backing the coach into my hangar across
> grass.
>
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> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369310 is a reply to message #369308] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 02:22 |
Ken Burton
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Jim
I have a trailer here that will handle 11,000 pounds. I have never used it for that much load. Also it is not long enough for a 26 foot coach.. I thought about taking it but the GMC had a trans problem. The winch I have on the trailer never would have hauled the front of the GMC on to it.
So you work with what you have. It is flat land country here and it was a 4 lane divided highway that went along side of the airport (my destination). We only got stopped at 2 traffic lights along the way. It is legal to tow a vehicle on an tow strap, unlike Illinois.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369311 is a reply to message #369307] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 07:17 |
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Ken, same here we had engine running, wife was pulling with our GMC
conversion van, she was puller and I was brake man. We used our CB's for
communications, I doubt we could have pulled it off without the CB's.
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:31 AM Ken Burton wrote:
> ScottC wrote on Mon, 28 March 2022 07:07
>> We did that for 150 Miles, wow was that fun....
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 6:50 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:
>>
>>> What we do is we have them use a Strap and drive the coach behind the
> tow
>>> and watch the slack.
>>>
>
> My daughter and I did a similar tow for 63 miles with my Colorado Pick Up
> late at night. The GMC engine was running so we had vacuum for brakes and
> electric for lights. She got up to 55, and set the cruise, and off we
> went. The hardest problem was backing the coach into my hangar across
> grass.
>
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Beach Towing [message #369312 is a reply to message #369268] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 08:33 |
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Ken, I hope that wasn't your personal coach. Do you suspect it will need a trans rebuild or a rebuilt trans??
UGLY weather in Toronto to-day. Wednesday March 30
DAVE KING
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| Re: Beach Towing [message #369313 is a reply to message #369268] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 08:36 |
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The main beam that the engine sits on is strong enough as a tow point. A good strap with hooks on it will hook onto that beam and pull evenly. The main thing is to keep the pulling low so you dont pull up on bumper. A tow truck would be able to adjust for that.
Make sure coach rolls and not drags. Easy! Worst case bring some plywood to ride up on.
I think I might know where your going…. My mom had a house there overlooking the lake. I seen campers far out on the sand.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| [GMCnet] Re: Beach Towing [message #369315 is a reply to message #369312] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 10:03 |
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Dave King, I know the concern of burning up the tranny pump, in my case we
blew up the final drive so it was not spinning the pinion. Only time will
tell for us.
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 9:34 AM Dave King wrote:
> Ken, I hope that wasn't your personal coach. Do you suspect it will need a
> trans rebuild or a rebuilt trans??
> UGLY weather in Toronto to-day. Wednesday March 30
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| Re: Beach Towing - just to clear some issues [message #369319 is a reply to message #369268] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 17:54 |
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To those reading:
If you have to tow a GMC with front wheels on the ground, if you can run the engine it will be a much better experience.
The transmission pump is driven by the shell of the torque converter, so as the engine is running, it will be happy.
With the engine running, you will also have the power for steering and vacuum for brakes.
If you have ever wondered, I strongly suggest that you do this experiment. Find a huge empty parking lot or the like. Be very aware of what obstructions you might encounter. Get your coach rolling and shut the engine down.
Now, try to steer it. This will take a serious effort. It may cause it to spill some fluid, so have make up handy. If you don't have really good shoulders, you won't do much....
Same Game, but now with the engine shut down, try the brakes a couple of times. After the second, you will have to bend the steering wheel to do any good at all. This is why many of us have electric backups for the brakes.
As a side and sort of unrelated note. If you loose a drive axle joint, any part of the final drive or the shift cable is compromised, you also may have no park effect at all. Carrying a chock is a good idea.
Matt
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| Re: Beach Towing [message #369320 is a reply to message #369312] |
Wed, 30 March 2022 23:56 |
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Hi Dave,
Yes it was mine. I was cruising about 55 mph and the trans said. "I'm, done I am not pulling anymore." We were coming home from the Mansfield rally on US 30 and I coasted off the exit ramp in Warsaw, IN. It felt like what happens when all of the bolts come out of the left front drive shaft, only they were all there. I have been out on 3 different Black List calls in the past where that happened to them. I carry spares of them in the coach.
I called a local GMCer I had helped get and install ceramic coated windshields in the past. He and his wife gave me, my wife, and dog a ride home. I called my daughter and met her at the airport in Valparaiso (also on US 30) We went back to Warsaw and towed it back home.
We both are ham radio operators and both vehicles had radios so we set them to the lowest power settings and used them all the way back. It really was a simple drive with no traffic at that time of night. We had one state cop pass us and he did not to care about what we were doing. We ran into him later at a Pilot where we stopped for a bite to eat.
My daughter and her boy friend dropped the trans and final drive a couple of weeks later. I I took it down to Blaine Merrell's a few weeks after that and we (mostly Blaine and Dianne) took it apart. The input shaft from the torque converter to the front gear in the trans had all of the teeth stripped off. Everything else in it was perfect. So we reassembled it with a replacement shaft. We also replaced a couple of seals in the final drive. My daughter and her boyfriend reinstalled it for me. The only thing we had is they reversed the two small wires on the starter during installation. It was a 10 minute bug to fix.
The shaft teeth were all peeled off like little needles. Why? I do not know.
Dave, ToBe's tendon is 70% regrown as seen on the ultra sound of 2 weeks ago. I will find that thread and post an update there.
Ken
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76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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). I would assume that the deft touch of the Tractor Guys operator would have as much to do about saving my frame as anything else. This also might be a pipe dream. I aways wanted to camp on a sand beach on FRESH water.