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Thu, 10 February 2022 10:39  |
habbyguy
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My '78 still has the original HUGE, HEAVY microwave, which seems to take up a whole lot more space than necessary. My beloved PO installed a small TV above the stove, and as it happens, I found a compact microwave that will fit in the same spot, so my plan is to pull out the old one.
My plan is to convert the resultant hole to storage, and I figure that there have to be folks here who have done the same thing. I'd love to hear / see what kind of storage solutions have been installed in place of the antique microwave.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| [GMCnet] Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #368706 is a reply to message #368697] |
Thu, 10 February 2022 18:15  |
powwerjon
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Mark,
This is how we did the makeover of the Kitchen area in our 77 Eleganza.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3022-interior-restoration.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3972-kitchen-vent-hood.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1977-interior/p37051-gedc00421.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1977-interior/p37064-gedc0055.html
A Lot of people used to put the microwave down where the oven was located,
but you had to get down on your knees to use it and look at it. We put the
MW at eye level, added a 2 burner cooktop and used the space available
under the cooktop for additional storage space.
Regards,
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
TZE Zone Restorations
78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
75 Avion (Undergoing Frame up Restoration)
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 9:39 AM Mark wrote:
> My '78 still has the original HUGE, HEAVY microwave, which seems to take
> up a whole lot more space than necessary. My beloved PO installed a small
> TV
> above the stove, and as it happens, I found a compact microwave that will
> fit in the same spot, so my plan is to pull out the old one.
>
> My plan is to convert the resultant hole to storage, and I figure that
> there have to be folks here who have done the same thing. I'd love to hear
> /
> see what kind of storage solutions have been installed in place of the
> antique microwave.
> --
> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #368720 is a reply to message #368706] |
Fri, 11 February 2022 19:10 |
habbyguy
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Thanks! I might have trouble sourcing a matching door for my coach (it's the dark walnut finish that Coachmen built into the Royale Center Kitchen coaches). That would make it easy - otherwise I'm thinking I might look for some sort of see-through, pull-out drawer to fit into the space.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #368727 is a reply to message #368697] |
Sat, 12 February 2022 11:44 |
Scott Nutter
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Hello Mark.
On my center kitchen I took out both microwave and gas burners. Then put in a convection oven/microwave in the old microwave hole. I then put in a new countertop without the gas burners. But I was looking for more countertop space versus storage space. I really like this setup. But John is right, most of the time I’m on my knees when I’m programming the oven. But it does make a nice supplement heater in the winter time! I could send you photos if you would like.
Scott
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369094 is a reply to message #368734] |
Mon, 14 March 2022 17:18 |
habbyguy
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Well, making progress.
Here's the original configuration (with the old-school TV / VCR in the custom cabinet)...
Now, there's a microwave in that spot. It was a little more difficult than expected, since the cabinet of the microwave isn't square, but rounded (to make room for a pretty impressively large turntable). Even better, it should run just fine on my 1000 watt inverter.
And now there's a big, beautiful hole underneath where that huge (HEAVY) 1970's vintage microwave used to be...
I've ordered a custom pull-out drawer that will bolt into that hole, and a custom door that should match the other (walnut) doors in the coach, at least after I stain it... Now I just have to wait for the drawer and door to come in! The only tiny glitch I can see at this point is that there's an odd bump on the top of the fender, which will require me to install a (guessing) 1/2" runner under the drawer rails so it's level.
Should be great to have some real kitchen storage instead of that tank of a microwave!
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369096 is a reply to message #368697] |
Mon, 14 March 2022 20:35 |
habbyguy
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Believe it or not, a small(ish) pizza WILL fit in the microwave. It's designed to hold a "full size dinner plate". I'd guess the turntable is 12" with a little "wiggle room" around the edges (which is a lot better than most of the small microwaves). OTOH, that's what made it difficult to make it fit. It fit in the "TV-size hole", but there was no way to put the microwave in after installing the mount. So I had to add about 3/4" in width to the opening so I could slide the microwave in after everything else was in place. Luckily, the front "feet" are entirely hollow, and perfectly sized so that I was able to hole-cut some divots out of some 3/4" plywood, which fit inside the feet, keeping it all in place (the microwave is also wedged against wood in the back of the mount, so it's really very stable). I don't think my brakes will ever be good enough to dislodge it. 
I'm still ruminating over where to put the media center... for now, it'll probably just be the wife's laptop (which has a larger screen than the TV we removed, and is MUCH higher-definition and capable, of course). There's room under the genset controls (typical Royale placement, which would put a smallish flat-screen at the rear end of the couch so it could be viewed from pretty much any seating position. A 65" screen might give me a sore neck.
FYI - here's the microwave I installed (out of production for a few years, I believe, but about the only thing that would fit, and still have reasonable room). It's hard to see, but it does taper fairly dramatically (about an inch thicker in the middle than at the door).
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369155 is a reply to message #369096] |
Fri, 18 March 2022 18:43 |
habbyguy
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I got the custom door - looks great, and should match the rest of the doors in the coach...
IF I get the right stain.
Anyone have any suggestions on the best stain to match the dark walnut stain / finish of the Royale coaches?
If it matters, the door is red oak (fairly light, but should take stain very well).
Edit: Here's a photo of the door as-is...
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| [GMCnet] Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369156 is a reply to message #369155] |
Fri, 18 March 2022 19:03 |
James Hupy
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I have a 1978 Royale 26 foot with the Walnut cabinets. When I first got my
coach, the roof leaked, and water had stained the cabinet drawer fronts and
doors. I removed them all, and put them in my heated shop and dried
everything out. I sanded them all with 220 grit, followed by 600 grit. Then
blew everything with compressed air. I used shellac as the base color, and
it matched the cabinets very well. Shellac is absolutely water proof but
not alcohol proof. So, after the shellac was dry, I scuffed it with green
scotchbrite and tack cloth wiped the pieces, then followed that with satin
finish exterior polyurethane. 2 coats. That was in 2008. They still look
great.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 4:44 PM Mark wrote:
> I got the custom door - looks great, and should match the rest of the
> doors in the coach...
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> IF I get the right stain.
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> Anyone have any suggestions on the best stain to match the dark walnut
> stain / finish of the Royale coaches?
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> If it matters, the door is red oak (fairly light, but should take stain
> very well).
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> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369160 is a reply to message #368697] |
Sat, 19 March 2022 13:35 |
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Mark,
It's always best to test finishes on some scrap pieces. Red Oak is ubiquitous and you probably have some scraps lying around. Don't over sand woods that are to be stained, particularly woods that have big differences in growth rings such as ring porous woods like red oak. Research it - 180 grit is more than enough for sanding before staining. Save the finer grits for sanding between coats. Using an initial coat of shellac will allow you to tweak things in the following coats. It's common practice in furniture refinishing and repair to use shellac as a barrier coat, allowing the following coats to be separated and/or removed if necessary. Shellac is wonderful and very forgiving, and is the basis for French Polishing, possibly the most beautiful finish ever created, but it is not water friendly. If you've ever seen white rings on a nice piece of furniture it's from someone putting down a cold drink (probably an icy gin and tonic) on the top. The condensation from the glass will create the white ring. That's why French Polished furniture is waxed. You can use any finish on top of shellac and water-based polyurethane is probably the most common.
Have fun with it.
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369164 is a reply to message #369155] |
Sat, 19 March 2022 15:33 |
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Mark,
Go back to the shop that made your door and ask for cutoffs. They'll have lots of small scraps of the same wood, maybe even your cutoffs that you can play with to find the right stain and finish combination.
Douglas & Virginia Smith,
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Lincoln Nebraska,
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369186 is a reply to message #368697] |
Mon, 21 March 2022 13:31 |
habbyguy
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Thanks for all the sage advice! I'm fairly concerned that the finish has to be water-friendly, since the door is going to be where it could easily get splashed from the sink or even something on the stovetop.
The rest of the wood in the coach doesn't seem to have any kind of sealant, but seems to drink in the oil-based products (like Murphy's oil) I want to try to keep the new door "in sync" (kind of ruling out a polyurethan over-coat).
I'm an old hand at staining, and plan on using the back of the door as my test-bed to determine how it's taking the stain (I can use each of the four "border boards" if necessary). And in the end, because of the location (one of the darker places in the coach, low enough it's not really terribly visible, and will likely have dish towels hanging over it most of the time anyway) even if the stain doesn't come out as a 100.000% match, it's not likely to be noticeable.
I'm still looking at my options, and will post a photo of the finished product (still no update on when the drawer will ship).
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| [GMCnet] Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369187 is a reply to message #369186] |
Mon, 21 March 2022 13:41 |
powwerjon
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This album shows how we changed the kitchen and made it wife friendly! A
lot of people put the MW where the oven was and it was almost impossible to
see inside..
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3022-interior-restoration.html
Look at all the pictures and read the captions where listed.
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
TZE Zone Restorations
78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:31 AM Mark wrote:
> Thanks for all the sage advice! I'm fairly concerned that the finish has
> to be water-friendly, since the door is going to be where it could easily
> get splashed from the sink or even something on the stovetop.
>
> The rest of the wood in the coach doesn't seem to have any kind of
> sealant, but seems to drink in the oil-based products (like Murphy's oil) I
> want to
> try to keep the new door "in sync" (kind of ruling out a polyurethan
> over-coat).
>
> I'm an old hand at staining, and plan on using the back of the door as my
> test-bed to determine how it's taking the stain (I can use each of the four
> "border boards" if necessary). And in the end, because of the location
> (one of the darker places in the coach, low enough it's not really terribly
> visible, and will likely have dish towels hanging over it most of the time
> anyway) even if the stain doesn't come out as a 100.000% match, it's not
> likely to be noticeable.
>
> I'm still looking at my options, and will post a photo of the finished
> product (still no update on when the drawer will ship).
> --
> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| [GMCnet] Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369192 is a reply to message #369186] |
Mon, 21 March 2022 14:31 |
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Remember that regardless of the stain or finish, the color will "age" from exposure to sunlight until in some months time it will finally cure...
CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
From: "Mark"
To: "gmclist"
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 1:31:35 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave
Thanks for all the sage advice! I'm fairly concerned that the finish has to be water-friendly, since the door is going to be where it could easily
get splashed from the sink or even something on the stovetop.
The rest of the wood in the coach doesn't seem to have any kind of sealant, but seems to drink in the oil-based products (like Murphy's oil) I want to
try to keep the new door "in sync" (kind of ruling out a polyurethan over-coat).
I'm an old hand at staining, and plan on using the back of the door as my test-bed to determine how it's taking the stain (I can use each of the four
"border boards" if necessary). And in the end, because of the location (one of the darker places in the coach, low enough it's not really terribly
visible, and will likely have dish towels hanging over it most of the time anyway) even if the stain doesn't come out as a 100.000% match, it's not
likely to be noticeable.
I'm still looking at my options, and will post a photo of the finished product (still no update on when the drawer will ship).
--
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369204 is a reply to message #369186] |
Mon, 21 March 2022 20:21 |
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Mark,
It seems you have conflicting criteria for your door finish. If the current doors are soaking up Murphy's maybe they haven't been adequately sealed? If I'm looking for waterproof I equate that to low or zero maintenance, excepting damage. I'm not suggesting you refinish all of your coach's cabinetry. It's tough to achieve a good match to both tonal color and sheen with a single product if you don't know what was originally applied. After tonal match is achieved, I like top coating with a brushing lacquer like Delft. It's nasty stuff, and it's a must to wear a good organic respirator with fresh cartridges, but it's pretty bulletproof and beautiful and looks sprayed if applied in several thin coats. The glossier the finish the more it will show imperfections, but it's easy enough to knock down a slightly too glossy finish with very fine grit sandpaper, so if I'm going to err it'll be on the too glossy side.
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369212 is a reply to message #368697] |
Tue, 22 March 2022 12:44 |
habbyguy
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Richard, you're probably right. I guess I've never worried TOO much about water damage, as we've been careful and (AFAIK) never really got the cabinets wet, and of course, we live in the desert.
I do admit that I like the look of freshly-oiled walnut, as opposed to the "sealed" look. Kind of like a car with clear coat, or that can be buffed and waxed. The former is nice and low-maintenance, but the latter is really the gold standard.
I might never get a 100.000% perfect match, but given the location of the door, it's not going to be a problem unless I miss by a mile.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: Best use for space after removing old microwave [message #369264 is a reply to message #368697] |
Fri, 25 March 2022 17:25 |
habbyguy
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Thanks, Richard...
Well, I got the drawer in, and am happy with the result. The stain isn't a 100% match, but really is plenty close that it's a non-issue. I really like the way the door opens (push to open, push again to latch), and the drawer works very well (with a soft-close in the last inch or so).
I think the following should be a (poor) video showing how it works...
http://www.hickey.house/tvtomwvideo.mp4
Here are some stills - I think it's a LOT more useful than that antique, heavy microwave!
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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