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Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368692]

Thu, 10 February 2022 08:21

rjw

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Interesting concept. Wonder how much this will add to the price of a new travel trailer?

https://youtu.be/rQEztxVGEbI

from Design News:
https://www.designnews.com/automotive-engineering/airstream-estream-electric-camper-concept?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=20871&elq_cid=723078

Richard
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SE Michigan
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Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.

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[GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368693 is a reply to message #368692]

Thu, 10 February 2022 09:09

Keith V

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Definitely some high end stuff there! I'm sure the first version will be $$$$ then it will come down.

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Interesting concept. Wonder how much this will add to the price of a new travel trailer?

https://youtu.be/rQEztxVGEbI

from Design News:
https://www.designnews.com/automotive-engineering/airstream-estream-electric-camper-concept?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=20871&elq_cid=723078

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Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368694 is a reply to message #368692]

Thu, 10 February 2022 10:08

hertfordnc

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>I'm sure the first version will be $$$$ then it will come down.

Why would you think that? It's an Airstream.

$60,000 for a single axle 18' trailer is just normal for them.

I do like the idea of electric towing assist.

Imagine that for a toad, instead of having the lightest manual transmission rat box you can find you could have a substantial four door car back there pushing itself along, assisting the coach on hill climbs.

With the car following a wind blocking motorhome and accelerating like a city bus the range would be doubled or tripled.

Dave & Ellen Silva Hertford, NC 76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021 It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.

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[GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368695 is a reply to message #368694]

Thu, 10 February 2022 10:23

stu@97381.com, Emery

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If they finally bring it to market a future GMCer will be adapting it to a rear axle of a GMC motor home. A GMCer with loads of money that is!
They better hurry or a lot of us won’t be around to see it.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:12 AM, dave silva wrote:
>
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>> I'm sure the first version will be $$$$ then it will come down.
>
> Why would you think that? It's an Airstream.
>
> $60,000 for a single axle 18' trailer is just normal for them.
>
> I do like the idea of electric towing assist.
>
> Imagine that for a toad, instead of having the lightest manual transmission rat box you can find you could have a substantial four door car back
> there pushing itself along, assisting the coach on hill climbs.
>
> With the car following a wind blocking motorhome and accelerating like a city bus the range would be doubled or tripled.
> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
> Hertford, NC
>
> 76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
>
> Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
>
> It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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[GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368696 is a reply to message #368693]

Thu, 10 February 2022 10:20

James Hupy

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Saw a new Airstream a while back on a RV dealership corner sales promotion
price of just $98,000.00. And you will still need an $80, 000 Ford F-250 to
drag it around. Just think of the GMC you could build for that kind of
money. I am happy with my 78 Royale.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 7:09 AM Keith V wrote:

> Definitely some high end stuff there! I'm sure the first version will be
> $$$$ then it will come down.
>
> ________________________________
> From: RJW
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 8:21 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Airstream eStream Electric Camper
>
> Interesting concept. Wonder how much this will add to the price of a new
> travel trailer?
>
> https://youtu.be/rQEztxVGEbI
>
> from Design News:
>
> https://www.designnews.com/automotive-engineering/airstream-estream-electric-camper-concept?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=20871&elq_cid=723078
>
>
>
> --
> Richard
> 76 Palm Beach
> SE Michigan
> www.PalmBeachGMC.com
>
>
> Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum
> system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water
> heaters.
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Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368698 is a reply to message #368692]

Thu, 10 February 2022 11:36

JohnL455

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Some good stuff, I did not see how they address battery thermal management or human thermal management as no visible roof top or bay mounted heat pumps. Also no regenerative braking mentioned (stability control was) or recharge under tow if you have like a Duramax tow vehicle.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

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Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368772 is a reply to message #368698]

Tue, 15 February 2022 13:22

timthenomad

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The article in the second link mentions that the AC is mounted under the floor for aerodynamics. It also says that it has a regenerative breaking system. It cites these numbers from a different camper prototype running similar gear...

Quote:

The vehicles completed the 240-mile drive in a little more than six hours and arrived with some power still in their batteries. The electric trailer in that test consumed 74 kW of power on the drive and it recovered 6 kW on the way back down the Alps.

My journey into the GMC world came about because even a medium size pop-up requires a pretty huge daily driver to tow it around. You have to get family, trailer, batteries and gear under 3500 lbs to be in minivan, or Subaru territory.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/15-of-the-best-towing-vehicles-that-arent-trucks/

Even without the coming wave of EVs I think it's great that the camping industry is tackling this.

I love the idea of replacing my Fiat 500 towd with a 6ft storage trailer that could power assist in the mud, help break the coach to recapture volts, and store 5 nights of air-conditioning. Throw a couple of E-bikes in there to get around, and once unloaded it's a spare bedroom for the kids. Of course, if the hardware / software is worked out an electric towd might be able to do the same job.

Tim Taylor
~~Austin TX~~
Philadelphia PA
76 Birchaven (SB)
76 Triumph TR6

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Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368785 is a reply to message #368772]

Wed, 16 February 2022 10:34

Bill Van Vlack

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Given that the salary for high-tech employees is now in the 300K range, the cost/technology/production phase/typical RV purchase age/affordability curves should intersect in, maybe, ~ 5
years?

I think the first accessory will be a driver's seat on the hitch.

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.

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[GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368786 is a reply to message #368785]

Wed, 16 February 2022 10:51

James Hupy

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I don't know what IT employees you refer to @ $300K, but I don't have any
of those folks in my circle of acquaintance. That is some heavy salary.
$100, 000.00 + for an RV that will likely spend 75% of its lifetime in
a storage lot, is a big leap for most people.
But, I grew up in a time when you could buy a 1/2 ton Chev pickup for
under $2000.00, sans rear bumper and passenger side windshield wiper. But,
today you can spend over $100,000.00 for one.
Guess I will stick with my 1969 Dodge Camper Special 3/4 ton pickup
with a utility box, and corner 3500# lifting gantry. I bought it from the
original owner in 1972, and been driving it ever since. And my 1978 GMC
Royale 26'.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 8:34 AM Bill Van Vlack
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> Given that the salary for high-tech employees is now in the 300K range,
> the cost/technology/production phase/typical RV purchase age/affordability
> curves should intersect in, maybe, ~ 5
> years?
>
> I think the first accessory will be a driver's seat on the hitch.
> --
> Bill Van Vlack
> '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath,
> Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o
> mid
> November 2015.
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Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368787 is a reply to message #368692]

Wed, 16 February 2022 12:42

mghamms

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I like the idea. Needs better intergration with the tow vehicle. Charge point is low and should be moved to a normal height.

1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts

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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368790 is a reply to message #368786]

Wed, 16 February 2022 16:06

Bill Van Vlack

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James Hupy wrote on Wed, 16 February 2022 10:51

I don't know what IT employees you refer to @ $300K, but I don't have any of those folks in my circle of acquaintance. That is some heavy salary.

Me neither, but...."Amazon raises its base salary cap from $160K to $350K".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/07/amazon-base-pay-increase/

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.

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[GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368800 is a reply to message #368790]

Thu, 17 February 2022 09:36

Keith V

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Amazon is paying UP o 350k, but considering hours worked and productivity requirements thats about 50k in any other job
I wouldn't work there for twice that
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James Hupy wrote on Wed, 16 February 2022 10:51
> I don't know what IT employees you refer to @ $300K, but I don't have any of those folks in my circle of acquaintance. That is some heavy salary.

Me neither, but...."Amazon raises its base salary cap from $160K to $350K".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/07/amazon-base-pay-increase/
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'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Airstream eStream Electric Camper [message #368802 is a reply to message #368800]

Thu, 17 February 2022 10:48

Bill Van Vlack

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Keith V wrote on Thu, 17 February 2022 09:36

Amazon is paying UP o 350k, but considering hours worked and productivity requirements thats about 50k in any other job
I wouldn't work there for twice that

Twenty years ago I worked with them as a consultant and they asked me to come work for them directly; that was the reason I didn't.

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.

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