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Black tank replacement [message #368497] Tue, 18 January 2022 17:50 Go to next message
skip2 is currently offline  skip2   United States
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Evening all,
Finally decided to replace the black tank on my 74 Canyonlands, I suspected it had problems so the other day I filled it up to just where the shower drain was going to overflow and went outside and could see Niagra Falls running off the top. I know it could be just seals at the bath hook up but think it's time, with the mess of Silicone that has been put on the first valve, worried that the next time I have to close that one to work on the Macerator its going to start leaking and the one behind the tee is just about completely frozen to the point I don't think I could dump it with stinky slinky if I had to. I have searched in all the photo files and through the forum search and have not found a really concise description on to exactly go about it, just bits and pieces and how to handle common issues no step by step. If anyone knows of a paper or presentation that is out there or have any hints I'd really like to hear about them. Located tanks at Sirrums in Okeechobee and they are drilled or undrilled, that's a good question. Another question would be to get to the rear sink and shower connector on the back of the tank do you go at through the area in front of the water tank? What other parts and pieces will be needed to get this accomplished, replacing both valves is a given. Any and all ideals will be welcome. Thanks.
Skip Hartline


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[GMCnet] Re: Black tank replacement [message #368499 is a reply to message #368497] Tue, 18 January 2022 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Are you thinking about installing a new tank, or replacing yours with an
old one from a similar model of coach?
When I last worked on a in-use black tank, and dealt with that stinky
unsanitary mess, I vowed to never work on another tank that was in use.
I take a sawzall, and cut all the pipes, disconnect and label the
wires, and remove the toilet. Then I lower the old tank, duct tape closed
all the openings, and put it in the back of my pickup for a trip to the
landfill.
Then I temporarily install the new tank, mark where the pipes enter
it, and remove it and cut all the holes with hole saws . Then, put it back
in place. Hook up all the pipes, and that's about it. Wear gloves, and a
good respirator, and safety glasses.
That's how I do it, when I can't get out of it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 3:50 PM Skip Hartline wrote:

> Evening all,
> Finally decided to replace the black tank on my 74 Canyonlands, I
> suspected it had problems so the other day I filled it up to just where the
> shower
> drain was going to overflow and went outside and could see Niagra Falls
> running off the top. I know it could be just seals at the bath hook up but
> think it's time, with the mess of Silicone that has been put on the first
> valve, worried that the next time I have to close that one to work on the
> Macerator its going to start leaking and the one behind the tee is just
> about completely frozen to the point I don't think I could dump it with
> stinky
> slinky if I had to. I have searched in all the photo files and through the
> forum search and have not found a really concise description on to exactly
> go about it, just bits and pieces and how to handle common issues no step
> by step. If anyone knows of a paper or presentation that is out there or
> have any hints I'd really like to hear about them. Located tanks at
> Sirrums in Okeechobee and they are drilled or undrilled, that's a good
> question.
> Another question would be to get to the rear sink and shower connector on
> the back of the tank do you go at through the area in front of the water
> tank? What other parts and pieces will be needed to get this accomplished,
> replacing both valves is a given. Any and all ideals will be welcome.
> Thanks.
> Skip Hartline
>
> --
> 74 Canyon Lands, FiTech,
> 3.7 FD, Manny Tranny,
> Springfield Distributor,
> 2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Black tank replacement [message #368500 is a reply to message #368499] Tue, 18 January 2022 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
skip2 is currently offline  skip2   United States
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going to buy a new one

74 Canyon Lands, FiTech, 3.7 FD LSD, Manny Tranny, Springfield Distributor, 2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd

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[GMCnet] Re: Black tank replacement [message #368502 is a reply to message #368500] Tue, 18 January 2022 19:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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Skip,
when you get a new one from us, Nick or I can give all the information and
parts you need as we have done many.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:44 PM Skip Hartline
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> No going to buy a new one
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> 3.7 FD, Manny Tranny,
> Springfield Distributor,
> 2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
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Re: Black tank replacement [message #368503 is a reply to message #368497] Tue, 18 January 2022 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Skip,

Talk to your favorite GMC supplier and see about getting the replacement tank with the fitting where they belong.

If you have the option, order the tank for the Valterra (not Thetford) dump valve. They are as problem free as the OE and cost 1/3.

To remove the tank, remove the pot and unscrew the flange. It will come out with a length of pipe.
In the back bedroom, you will have to take out the water tank to access the sink and shower drains.
The galley sink drain connection is (if it is a 26) under the floor of the closet.
Both of the smaller drains are steel pipe and that may be your problem. It also may be worse because the steel is gone except in the threads you will want to reuse. It takes either a pair of the new push button Channel Locks or Monster basin wrench to work those.

Mine had iron pipe in there that had expended and cracked the tank top fitting for the smaller drains.

Best of luck....

Matt


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Re: Black tank replacement [message #368504 is a reply to message #368497] Tue, 18 January 2022 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lqqkatjon is currently offline  lqqkatjon   United States
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75 palm beach is fairly close to your 74 canyon lands.

Here is my write up:

http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/2014/05/new-black-tank-install.html?m=1


Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
[GMCnet] Re: Black tank replacement [message #368505 is a reply to message #368504] Tue, 18 January 2022 23:09 Go to previous message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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The new tanks are designed to use the Veltra Valve assy.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:13 PM Jon Roche wrote:

> 75 palm beach is fairly close to your 74 canyon lands.
>
> Here is my write up:
>
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/2014/05/new-black-tank-install.html?m=1
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> 75 palm beach
> EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
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