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Matt Colie
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Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38James Hupy said:
" If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be driving a motorhome!
To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still having all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool and small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or better.
Keith Vasilakes
Keith,
I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can and fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great River Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for starters...)
Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more expensive. Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can get off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of little museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped over on our way to somewhere.
OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own meals so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer. Drinks and snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of quiet place.
Airlines have schedules. We don't.
Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along. (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and particularly when we lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows. Those were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of them. You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the nearest thing to a boat that I know.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368346 is a reply to message #368345] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 12:14 |
lqqkatjon
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It is not cheap driving the GMC.... but not driving the GMC is expensive too. I think Matt is a little low on Hotel cost these days. I would go out and say $100 a night is starting to be a deal, especially if you don't do some super shopping around. I just set an employee up at an americainn just east of Fargo for $100 + their taxes and I guess the hotel is a dump inside. when I needed a place for a cheap overnight when I had to abandon my GMC in wyoming, cheapest I could find in the area was $89 for a camper cabin in Sturgis(not during the event).
my SUV that barely handles our family of 4 and the stuff, gets 18mpg. my GMC about 1/2, but has a bathroom in it. Yes, I have buddy that has a vw beetle TDI that we can roadtrip pretty darn cheap, but you sure loose alot of comfort!
as far as EFI goes, I don't think I will get the money I spent back on the efi ever especially if I add in my labor in gas savings. I do hope to get some more engine life out of the coach because of the efi, but that can never be measured. I like the fact I now have some extra monitoring of engine systems that the EBL provides over a carb.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368347 is a reply to message #368345] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 12:02 |
CJV
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Kathy and I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. After 10 years of traveling in our 36' diesel and recording the costs it is clear that spending 6 months of every year wandering around, it is marginally cheaper than flying, or driving a car and staying in hotels. But the real argument is that you are master of your own fate and can disregard all airline and hotel limitations. Nothing beats parking in the desert, or National Forest, at random, all by yourself, free, for the night.
CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Colie"
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Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:08:42 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection
Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
> James Hupy said:
> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>
> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be driving a motorhome!
>
> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still having
> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool and small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or better.
>
> Keith Vasilakes
Keith,
I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can and fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great River Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for starters...)
Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more expensive.
Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can get off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of little
museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped over on our way to somewhere.
OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own meals so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer. Drinks and
snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of quiet
place.
Airlines have schedules. We don't.
Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along. (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and particularly when we
lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows. Those were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of them.
You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the nearest thing to a boat that I know.
Matt
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368348 is a reply to message #368345] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 12:01 |
sgltrac
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Even with hotels, flights, restaurants and rental car flying is almost
always cheaper than Motorhome travel. Especially as the distance to
destination increases and length of stay is shortened. Then if you are
working and need to take time off from work (most jobs have limited
vacation days per year) you may end up losing out on pay days. When I took
the plunge into GMC ownership back in 2015(?) the plan was to travel from
wa to 10 rounds of the AMA NHH off-road series. Since I did not have the
coach ready for the early rounds(which were the furthest travel rounds) we
opted to fly and had our bikes shipped to socal and brought to the races
for us. Flew in Friday, pre run and test Saturday, race and fly home
Sunday. If I had driven the coach the cost of fuel and extra food (in the
road for 5 -6 days) easily eclipsed the total cost of flying and I did not
need to miss a week of work. Now if the plan was to ride/recreate for 4
days or more the tables turn quickly in favor of the mh. Especially if you
destination(s) are far off the beaten path.
Sully
Bellevue wa
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:08 AM Matt Colie wrote:
> Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
>> James Hupy said:
>> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>>
>> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be
> driving a motorhome!
>>
>> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v
> drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still having
>> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool and
> small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or better.
>>
>> Keith Vasilakes
>
> Keith,
>
> I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
>
> Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can and
> fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
> interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great River
> Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for starters...)
> Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast
> bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more expensive.
> Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can get
> off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of little
> museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped over
> on our way to somewhere.
> OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own meals
> so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer. Drinks
> and
> snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we
> decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of
> quiet
> place.
>
> Airlines have schedules. We don't.
> Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
> The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along.
> (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
>
> Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left
> corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and particularly
> when we
> lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows. Those
> were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of them.
> You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the nearest
> thing to a boat that I know.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
> GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368349 is a reply to message #368347] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 12:38 |
James Hupy
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Having done at least 3 coast to coast trips in our GMC and too many 600
mile one way trips to remember, we are confirmed motor home travelers.
I have flown commercial flights many, many times. When it was just
show up, get your boarding pass, and check your luggage it was tolerable.
But, today is a whole different situation. Get there 2 hours before your
flight is scheduled to leave, stand in line to be subjected to everything
but a cavity probe, and endless stupid questions from government employees
who appear to me to be bored with having gainful employment, only to have
your flight delayed or cancelled all together, is not my idea of a pleasant
experience.
We occasionally eat dinner at a restaurant called the flight deck at
Salem Airport. It overlooks a fixed base operator and fueling depot.
Frequented by all manner of biz jets etc. They taxi up, passengers board
while the crew handles their luggage, they board, strap in a roomy
comfortable seat, taxi out and are airborne in 20 minutes or less, then fly
closer to their ultimate destination than you can get on large airlines,
where a limo or some such picks them up very near the plane. Now that's the
"ONLY WAY TO FLY" that has much appeal to me.
Oh yes, throw Covid into the mix. Large half drunk crowds make me
uneasy, especially in an aluminum tube the size of a large sewer pipe. But,
that's just me, I guess.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 10:03 AM CJV wrote:
> Kathy and I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. After 10 years of
> traveling in our 36' diesel and recording the costs it is clear that
> spending 6 months of every year wandering around, it is marginally cheaper
> than flying, or driving a car and staying in hotels. But the real argument
> is that you are master of your own fate and can disregard all airline and
> hotel limitations. Nothing beats parking in the desert, or National Forest,
> at random, all by yourself, free, for the night.
>
> CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Colie"
> To: "gmclist"
> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:08:42 AM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection
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> Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
>> James Hupy said:
>> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>>
>> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be
> driving a motorhome!
>>
>> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v
> drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still having
>> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool and
> small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or better.
>>
>> Keith Vasilakes
>
> Keith,
>
> I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
>
> Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can and
> fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
> interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great River
> Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for starters...)
> Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast
> bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more expensive.
> Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can get
> off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of little
> museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped over
> on our way to somewhere.
> OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own meals
> so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer. Drinks
> and
> snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we
> decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of
> quiet
> place.
>
> Airlines have schedules. We don't.
> Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
> The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along.
> (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
>
> Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left
> corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and particularly
> when we
> lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows. Those
> were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of them.
> You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the nearest
> thing to a boat that I know.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
> GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368350 is a reply to message #368349] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 13:04 |
GMCWiperMan
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Jim,
I agree with you about commercial flying these days. After we returned
from the Rhine River cruise with Manny & Deo a few years ago, I resolved,
"The only way I'll fly again is if I can look out the cockpit windows."
My granddaughter last week came up with the answer to that excuse for not
taking the family to Hawaii again: "You can just rent a passenger jet --
Let's see, at current rates (she's a scheduler for Delta), that will only
cost you $260,000 (or some such absurd number which I ignored) for the 11
of us!" :-) or more appropriately :-(
I guess my ONLY mode of extended travel from now on will be the GMC.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:38 PM James Hupy wrote:
> Having done at least 3 coast to coast trips in our GMC and too many 600
> mile one way trips to remember, we are confirmed motor home travelers.
> I have flown commercial flights many, many times. When it was just
> show up, get your boarding pass, and check your luggage it was tolerable.
> But, today is a whole different situation. Get there 2 hours before your
> flight is scheduled to leave, stand in line to be subjected to everything
> but a cavity probe, and endless stupid questions from government employees
> who appear to me to be bored with having gainful employment, only to have
> your flight delayed or cancelled all together, is not my idea of a pleasant
> experience.
> We occasionally eat dinner at a restaurant called the flight deck at
> Salem Airport. It overlooks a fixed base operator and fueling depot.
> Frequented by all manner of biz jets etc. They taxi up, passengers board
> while the crew handles their luggage, they board, strap in a roomy
> comfortable seat, taxi out and are airborne in 20 minutes or less, then fly
> closer to their ultimate destination than you can get on large airlines,
> where a limo or some such picks them up very near the plane. Now that's the
> "ONLY WAY TO FLY" that has much appeal to me.
> Oh yes, throw Covid into the mix. Large half drunk crowds make me
> uneasy, especially in an aluminum tube the size of a large sewer pipe. But,
> that's just me, I guess.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 10:03 AM CJV wrote:
>
>> Kathy and I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. After 10 years of
>> traveling in our 36' diesel and recording the costs it is clear that
>> spending 6 months of every year wandering around, it is marginally
> cheaper
>> than flying, or driving a car and staying in hotels. But the real
> argument
>> is that you are master of your own fate and can disregard all airline and
>> hotel limitations. Nothing beats parking in the desert, or National
> Forest,
>> at random, all by yourself, free, for the night.
>>
>> CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matt Colie"
>> To: "gmclist"
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:08:42 AM
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection
>>
>> Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
>>> James Hupy said:
>>> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>>>
>>> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be
>> driving a motorhome!
>>>
>>> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v
>> drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still
> having
>>> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool and
>> small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or better.
>>>
>>> Keith Vasilakes
>>
>> Keith,
>>
>> I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
>>
>> Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can
> and
>> fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
>> interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great
> River
>> Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for
> starters...)
>> Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast
>> bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more
> expensive.
>> Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can get
>> off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of little
>> museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped over
>> on our way to somewhere.
>> OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own meals
>> so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer. Drinks
>> and
>> snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we
>> decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of
>> quiet
>> place.
>>
>> Airlines have schedules. We don't.
>> Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
>> The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along.
>> (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
>>
>> Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left
>> corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and particularly
>> when we
>> lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows. Those
>> were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of
> them.
>> You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the nearest
>> thing to a boat that I know.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
>> GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
>> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Injection [message #368351 is a reply to message #368288] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 16:29 |
lqqkatjon
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if you are flying solo, then flying can be pretty cheap. if you are a family person and have to pay for everybody's flights, it seems once you jump up to 3, it is cheaper to drive! I can't say much on hotels because other then for work, I avoid them like the plague. Jim and Ken don't like to go into commercial aircraft, I can't stand staying in a hotel, and despise it more if I am the one paying. I would rather sleep in the car, and now I do like to do AirBnB's if I am stuck somewhere I can't find a friend's couch to stay on.
flying also unfortunately sometimes has to be necessary for timing, like Sully said, us working folk only have so many vacation days or days we can be away. I seen some cheap flights to Oregon for this 4th of July. I am going to reluctantly cough up the money and buy the flights for an Oregon trip this summer. I just can't take the time off to drive the GMC, gas could end up a few dollars a gallon more and my daughter has to be back a few days earlier. going to be real frustrating not having my GMC and sleeping in a tent this time!
The GMC is still the Best and most enjoyable money spent to travel.
Ken- I am sure you could take your GMC to west coast, and rent a jet for 10 people for $100k.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368352 is a reply to message #368350] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 13:30 |
James Hupy
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I get occasional offers from Biz Jet operators that offer point to point
services for 4 or fewer people. Some are kinda like a car club that sell
memberships, others offer per flight prices. They are not cheap, but for
what they do offer, it would make sense if I had a company to pay for it.
Huge savings in time, and at the corporate level that equates to big
dollars in savings.
A number of years ago, my first Wife Mary and I owned a thriving
flower shop, and we purchased all of our supplies and containers, etc at
gift shows in Vegas and Chicago and Seattle and San Francisco. We had
vendors who would arrange complimentary flights, to and from, transport,
hotel and meal accommodation for us in exchange for an annual purchase of
our inventory. We took advantage of those offers, probably spent in the
tens of thousands of dollars annually with those vendors. We usually worked
in some Vegas shows, or off Broadway live stuff in Chicago. Kinda mini
vacations for us. But, alas those days are long gone.
Now it is the GMC and Rallies. It is very useful to transport
presentation and vendor materials, and we have a whole bunch of stoves, big
utensils, etc. that go in the trailer that we drag behind the Coach.
Different but we enjoy it a whole lot.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 11:05 AM Ken Henderson wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I agree with you about commercial flying these days. After we returned
> from the Rhine River cruise with Manny & Deo a few years ago, I resolved,
> "The only way I'll fly again is if I can look out the cockpit windows."
>
> My granddaughter last week came up with the answer to that excuse for not
> taking the family to Hawaii again: "You can just rent a passenger jet --
> Let's see, at current rates (she's a scheduler for Delta), that will only
> cost you $260,000 (or some such absurd number which I ignored) for the 11
> of us!" :-) or more appropriately :-(
>
> I guess my ONLY mode of extended travel from now on will be the GMC.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:38 PM James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Having done at least 3 coast to coast trips in our GMC and too many 600
>> mile one way trips to remember, we are confirmed motor home travelers.
>> I have flown commercial flights many, many times. When it was just
>> show up, get your boarding pass, and check your luggage it was tolerable.
>> But, today is a whole different situation. Get there 2 hours before your
>> flight is scheduled to leave, stand in line to be subjected to everything
>> but a cavity probe, and endless stupid questions from government
> employees
>> who appear to me to be bored with having gainful employment, only to have
>> your flight delayed or cancelled all together, is not my idea of a
> pleasant
>> experience.
>> We occasionally eat dinner at a restaurant called the flight deck at
>> Salem Airport. It overlooks a fixed base operator and fueling depot.
>> Frequented by all manner of biz jets etc. They taxi up, passengers board
>> while the crew handles their luggage, they board, strap in a roomy
>> comfortable seat, taxi out and are airborne in 20 minutes or less, then
> fly
>> closer to their ultimate destination than you can get on large airlines,
>> where a limo or some such picks them up very near the plane. Now that's
> the
>> "ONLY WAY TO FLY" that has much appeal to me.
>> Oh yes, throw Covid into the mix. Large half drunk crowds make me
>> uneasy, especially in an aluminum tube the size of a large sewer pipe.
> But,
>> that's just me, I guess.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 10:03 AM CJV wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy and I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. After 10 years of
>>> traveling in our 36' diesel and recording the costs it is clear that
>>> spending 6 months of every year wandering around, it is marginally
>> cheaper
>>> than flying, or driving a car and staying in hotels. But the real
>> argument
>>> is that you are master of your own fate and can disregard all airline
> and
>>> hotel limitations. Nothing beats parking in the desert, or National
>> Forest,
>>> at random, all by yourself, free, for the night.
>>>
>>> CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matt Colie"
>>> To: "gmclist"
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:08:42 AM
>>> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection
>>>
>>> Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
>>>> James Hupy said:
>>>> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be
>>> driving a motorhome!
>>>>
>>>> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v
>>> drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still
>> having
>>>> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool
> and
>>> small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or
> better.
>>>>
>>>> Keith Vasilakes
>>>
>>> Keith,
>>>
>>> I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can
>> and
>>> fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
>>> interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great
>> River
>>> Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for
>> starters...)
>>> Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast
>>> bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more
>> expensive.
>>> Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can
> get
>>> off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of
> little
>>> museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped
> over
>>> on our way to somewhere.
>>> OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own
> meals
>>> so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer.
> Drinks
>>> and
>>> snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we
>>> decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of
>>> quiet
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Airlines have schedules. We don't.
>>> Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
>>> The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along.
>>> (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
>>>
>>> Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left
>>> corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and
> particularly
>>> when we
>>> lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows.
> Those
>>> were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of
>> them.
>>> You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the
> nearest
>>> thing to a boat that I know.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> --
>>> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
>>> GMCES
>>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
>>> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368353 is a reply to message #368350] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 13:15 |
sgltrac
Messages: 2797
Registered: April 2011
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If you take the time and minimal expense to go through the extra background
check(CLEAR) your flying experience will be greatly enhanced. It takes us
on average about 10 minutes to go through security with CLEAR. We still
arrive 2 hours early but spend the time eating and drinking at the
restaurant rather than standing in line. Worth every penny.
Sully
Bellevue wa
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:05 AM Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I agree with you about commercial flying these days. After we returned
> from the Rhine River cruise with Manny & Deo a few years ago, I resolved,
> "The only way I'll fly again is if I can look out the cockpit windows."
>
> My granddaughter last week came up with the answer to that excuse for not
> taking the family to Hawaii again: "You can just rent a passenger jet --
> Let's see, at current rates (she's a scheduler for Delta), that will only
> cost you $260,000 (or some such absurd number which I ignored) for the 11
> of us!" :-) or more appropriately :-(
>
> I guess my ONLY mode of extended travel from now on will be the GMC.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:38 PM James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Having done at least 3 coast to coast trips in our GMC and too many 600
>> mile one way trips to remember, we are confirmed motor home travelers.
>> I have flown commercial flights many, many times. When it was just
>> show up, get your boarding pass, and check your luggage it was tolerable.
>> But, today is a whole different situation. Get there 2 hours before your
>> flight is scheduled to leave, stand in line to be subjected to everything
>> but a cavity probe, and endless stupid questions from government
> employees
>> who appear to me to be bored with having gainful employment, only to have
>> your flight delayed or cancelled all together, is not my idea of a
> pleasant
>> experience.
>> We occasionally eat dinner at a restaurant called the flight deck at
>> Salem Airport. It overlooks a fixed base operator and fueling depot.
>> Frequented by all manner of biz jets etc. They taxi up, passengers board
>> while the crew handles their luggage, they board, strap in a roomy
>> comfortable seat, taxi out and are airborne in 20 minutes or less, then
> fly
>> closer to their ultimate destination than you can get on large airlines,
>> where a limo or some such picks them up very near the plane. Now that's
> the
>> "ONLY WAY TO FLY" that has much appeal to me.
>> Oh yes, throw Covid into the mix. Large half drunk crowds make me
>> uneasy, especially in an aluminum tube the size of a large sewer pipe.
> But,
>> that's just me, I guess.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 10:03 AM CJV wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy and I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. After 10 years of
>>> traveling in our 36' diesel and recording the costs it is clear that
>>> spending 6 months of every year wandering around, it is marginally
>> cheaper
>>> than flying, or driving a car and staying in hotels. But the real
>> argument
>>> is that you are master of your own fate and can disregard all airline
> and
>>> hotel limitations. Nothing beats parking in the desert, or National
>> Forest,
>>> at random, all by yourself, free, for the night.
>>>
>>> CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matt Colie"
>>> To: "gmclist"
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:08:42 AM
>>> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection
>>>
>>> Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
>>>> James Hupy said:
>>>> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be
>>> driving a motorhome!
>>>>
>>>> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v
>>> drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still
>> having
>>>> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool
> and
>>> small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or
> better.
>>>>
>>>> Keith Vasilakes
>>>
>>> Keith,
>>>
>>> I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can
>> and
>>> fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
>>> interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great
>> River
>>> Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for
>> starters...)
>>> Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast
>>> bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more
>> expensive.
>>> Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can
> get
>>> off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of
> little
>>> museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped
> over
>>> on our way to somewhere.
>>> OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own
> meals
>>> so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer.
> Drinks
>>> and
>>> snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we
>>> decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of
>>> quiet
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Airlines have schedules. We don't.
>>> Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
>>> The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along.
>>> (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
>>>
>>> Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left
>>> corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and
> particularly
>>> when we
>>> lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows.
> Those
>>> were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of
>> them.
>>> You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the
> nearest
>>> thing to a boat that I know.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> --
>>> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
>>> GMCES
>>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
>>> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>>> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> _______________________________________________
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77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection [message #368354 is a reply to message #368350] |
Tue, 04 January 2022 16:17 |
jimk
Messages: 6734
Registered: July 2006
Location: Belmont, CA
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Packing up in the morning and unpacking at evening is lot of hassel.
I can leave my laptop open and not need to plug and unplug.
Have a drink or snack anytime.
Grab a jacket or change shoes.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:05 AM Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I agree with you about commercial flying these days. After we returned
> from the Rhine River cruise with Manny & Deo a few years ago, I resolved,
> "The only way I'll fly again is if I can look out the cockpit windows."
>
> My granddaughter last week came up with the answer to that excuse for not
> taking the family to Hawaii again: "You can just rent a passenger jet --
> Let's see, at current rates (she's a scheduler for Delta), that will only
> cost you $260,000 (or some such absurd number which I ignored) for the 11
> of us!" :-) or more appropriately :-(
>
> I guess my ONLY mode of extended travel from now on will be the GMC.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:38 PM James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Having done at least 3 coast to coast trips in our GMC and too many 600
>> mile one way trips to remember, we are confirmed motor home travelers.
>> I have flown commercial flights many, many times. When it was just
>> show up, get your boarding pass, and check your luggage it was tolerable.
>> But, today is a whole different situation. Get there 2 hours before your
>> flight is scheduled to leave, stand in line to be subjected to everything
>> but a cavity probe, and endless stupid questions from government
> employees
>> who appear to me to be bored with having gainful employment, only to have
>> your flight delayed or cancelled all together, is not my idea of a
> pleasant
>> experience.
>> We occasionally eat dinner at a restaurant called the flight deck at
>> Salem Airport. It overlooks a fixed base operator and fueling depot.
>> Frequented by all manner of biz jets etc. They taxi up, passengers board
>> while the crew handles their luggage, they board, strap in a roomy
>> comfortable seat, taxi out and are airborne in 20 minutes or less, then
> fly
>> closer to their ultimate destination than you can get on large airlines,
>> where a limo or some such picks them up very near the plane. Now that's
> the
>> "ONLY WAY TO FLY" that has much appeal to me.
>> Oh yes, throw Covid into the mix. Large half drunk crowds make me
>> uneasy, especially in an aluminum tube the size of a large sewer pipe.
> But,
>> that's just me, I guess.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 10:03 AM CJV wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy and I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. After 10 years of
>>> traveling in our 36' diesel and recording the costs it is clear that
>>> spending 6 months of every year wandering around, it is marginally
>> cheaper
>>> than flying, or driving a car and staying in hotels. But the real
>> argument
>>> is that you are master of your own fate and can disregard all airline
> and
>>> hotel limitations. Nothing beats parking in the desert, or National
>> Forest,
>>> at random, all by yourself, free, for the night.
>>>
>>> CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matt Colie"
>>> To: "gmclist"
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:08:42 AM
>>> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Fuel Injection
>>>
>>> Keith V wrote on Tue, 04 January 2022 09:38
>>>> James Hupy said:
>>>> " If I was concerned about fuel economy, I would... "
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is really concerned about fuel economy, they wouldn't be
>>> driving a motorhome!
>>>>
>>>> To me the choice is to drive a compact car to a hotel in the city v
>>> drive a cool ol coach and camp in a beautiful campground while still
>> having
>>>> all the comforts of home. The GMC is nice, cheap, maintainable cool
> and
>>> small. The only thing smaller is a van, but they arn't cheaper or
> better.
>>>>
>>>> Keith Vasilakes
>>>
>>> Keith,
>>>
>>> I can tell that you never ran the numbers of travel.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, flying is cheaper. Get there, rent a car, see what you can
>> and
>>> fly home. You get to see almost as much in between as you do from the
>>> interstate. Things you can't do from an airplane: Rt-66, The Great
>> River
>>> Road, The Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace. (Just for
>> starters...)
>>> Taking your own car, stay in motels (Only pick those with a breakfast
>>> bar), and then add in the restaurants and such is actually more
>> expensive.
>>> Cheap motels are now 70$ a night. At least in your own car, you can
> get
>>> off the blue roads and see something. (Like any one of a number of
> little
>>> museums and historic sights that we either planned a stop or tripped
> over
>>> on our way to somewhere.
>>> OK, fuel for the coach isn't cheap, but now we are cooking our own
> meals
>>> so we get what we want. We can put the left-overs in the reefer.
> Drinks
>>> and
>>> snacks on the road are right there. If there isn't a motel where we
>>> decide to stop for the night, there is probably at least a flat sort of
>>> quiet
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Airlines have schedules. We don't.
>>> Road trips need restaurants and Motels. We don't
>>> The dog(s) don't need to get boarded somewhere, she comes along.
>>> (Unfortunately, we are now down to just one dog.)
>>>
>>> Yes, I am dweeb engineer and live a lot of my life at the bottom left
>>> corner of a spreadsheet, but all the time I was growing and
> particularly
>>> when we
>>> lived in a house and had a television, I would watch travel shows.
> Those
>>> were places I dreamed of getting to see, and we have gotten to many of
>> them.
>>> You just can't get to some places by boat and a motorhome is the
> nearest
>>> thing to a boat that I know.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> --
>>> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
>>> GMCES
>>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
>>> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>>> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Injection [message #368372 is a reply to message #368288] |
Thu, 06 January 2022 11:39 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412
Registered: May 2011
Location: Braselton ga
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Well, let's see how I come out on this. I have a show in Raleigh NC that runs five days each year. It's 340 miles from my house. My minivan does 22mpg, for 31 gallons of gas. at 3.15 (currently here) is $97.65. Motel Sleaze is 40 a night, for $200. Breakfast is $10, supper is $18 for $140 for meals - the venue provides lunch and coffee.
The venue contract calls for 1 RV spot per show which I usually get. If my Lead uses it, $35 a night for five nights - $ 175. $60 of groceries will suffice. 75 gallons of gas will be $230 more or less. So, $290 for the RV, 465 if I pay to park it. $ 537 for the minivan.
In addition, >if< I happen to be showing as well as Stewarding there's another comparison. In the van, set up grooming space at the show, which may be free, or about 20 bucks total. Get up at the motel, gather the dog, load the van, get breakfast, drive to the show, park someplace. Get the dog out, take him to the now very crowded grooming space, try to get him to be calm on the grooming table while I bump folks on either side, brush him out and comb and fade for the ring. After he shows, back in his grate at the grooming space for the rest of the day, I'll take him to stretch a couple of times on my break.
In the RV, set the equipment up under the awning and forget about it. In the morning, cook breakfast, and then take the boy to exercise and poop, then back to the awning for brushout and combing. Take my time before show time. Step out the door and walk a hundred feet into the show venue and go to work, the dog is loose in the RV and much happier which means he shows better. 30 minutes to ring time my relief shows up, I go get the dog, comb him down, and walk to the ring in time to show. After he shows, back to the RV to relax while I go back to work.
As Red Neckerson used to say, "Jist ast yaself.." which is easier and gets a better result.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Injection [message #368407 is a reply to message #368288] |
Mon, 10 January 2022 09:50 |
tgeiger
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Interesting string. I was wondering how everyone was panning out on the issue. I’ve been getting resistance on using the motorhome for taking it on vacations. My group likes the VRBO thing cause we’ve stayed in some pretty nice places for a week. A bit costly but not really when you look at motel expenses. Flying is kinda been out of the program cause of recent Covid issues along with one of my friends fear of flying. We will fly if the distance and alotted vacation time require it, but much rather see the country and have a car available for us to use. We really use our motorhome to camp locally at the state parks around KC with friends. I do use it once and awhile to go trout fishing in the southern part of the state. So interesting topic.
TG
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO
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