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Thu, 02 December 2021 07:57  |
tgeiger
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Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I get myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its interesting to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination for our GMC’s.
https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
Enjoy,
TG
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367775 is a reply to message #367773] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 11:38  |
jimk
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Tom,
There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
smaller,but quick to charge.
I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming by
the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger wrote:
> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I get
> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim
> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me
> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this
> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its interesting
> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination
> for our GMC’s.
>
> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>
> Enjoy,
> TG
> --
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> 76 Eleganza II
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367776 is a reply to message #367773] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 11:55 |
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ljdavick
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I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies. The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing. It seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor been engineered for.
Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid system with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
Dreaming.
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont - where Teslas are built and Lucid is HQ’d.
> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> Tom,
> There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
> developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
> smaller,but quick to charge.
> I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming by
> the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger wrote:
>>
>> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I get
>> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim
>> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
>> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me
>> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this
>> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its interesting
>> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination
>> for our GMC’s.
>>
>> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> TG
>> --
>> Tom Geiger
>> 76 Eleganza II
>> KCMO
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367777 is a reply to message #367773] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 12:55 |
Terence Taylor
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Bill Rex, formerly the head of Rexhall RV is now the CEO of a company working on designs for an EV Motorhome.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 10:36:55 AM PST, Keith V wrote:
Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the rears would create a LOT of problems.
Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies coast.
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From: Larry Davick
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:55 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies. The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing. It seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor been engineered for.
Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid system with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
Dreaming.
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont - where Teslas are built and Lucid is HQ’d.
> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> Tom,
> There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
> developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
> smaller,but quick to charge.
> I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming by
> the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger wrote:
>>
>> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I get
>> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim
>> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
>> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me
>> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this
>> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its interesting
>> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination
>> for our GMC’s.
>>
>> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> TG
>> --
>> Tom Geiger
>> 76 Eleganza II
>> KCMO
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367778 is a reply to message #367776] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 12:36 |
Keith V
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Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the rears would create a LOT of problems.
Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies coast.
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From: Larry Davick
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:55 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies. The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing. It seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor been engineered for.
Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid system with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
Dreaming.
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont - where Teslas are built and Lucid is HQ’d.
> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
>
> Tom,
> There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
> developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
> smaller,but quick to charge.
> I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming by
> the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger wrote:
>>
>> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I get
>> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim
>> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
>> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me
>> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this
>> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its interesting
>> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination
>> for our GMC’s.
>>
>> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> TG
>> --
>> Tom Geiger
>> 76 Eleganza II
>> KCMO
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367779 is a reply to message #367773] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 12:58 |
James Hupy
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It would handle like a 3 year old Vietnam Pig that was overfed.
Those batteries will weigh more than both full fuel tanks, both
holding tanks, the ONAN and Potable water tank combined to get the same
range as 50 gallons of 87 octane. But, perhaps battery tech will improve
enough to make short range trips possible in the future. Never say "NEVER".
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 10:36 AM Keith V wrote:
> Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the
> rears would create a LOT of problems.
> Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies
> coast.
> ________________________________
> From: Larry Davick
> Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:55 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
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> I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies.
> The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing. It
> seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor
> been engineered for.
>
> Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid system
> with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
>
> Dreaming.
>
> Larry Davick
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Fremont - where Teslas are built and Lucid is HQ’d.
>
>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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>> Tom,
>> There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
>> developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
>> smaller,but quick to charge.
>> I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming by
>> the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger wrote:
>>>
>>> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I
> get
>>> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim
>>> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
>>> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me
>>> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this
>>> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its
> interesting
>>> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination
>>> for our GMC’s.
>>>
>>> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> TG
>>> --
>>> Tom Geiger
>>> 76 Eleganza II
>>> KCMO
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>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>> 1-800-752-7502
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367780 is a reply to message #367778] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 16:13 |
Ronald Pottol
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I'd stick with FWD, I just want powered bogie wheels for getting unstuck.
Torque, not much power, could unclutch normally.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 10:36 Keith V wrote:
> Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the
> rears would create a LOT of problems.
> Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies
> coast.
> ________________________________
> From: Larry Davick
> Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:55 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
>
> I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies.
> The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing. It
> seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor
> been engineered for.
>
> Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid system
> with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
>
> Dreaming.
>
> Larry Davick
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Fremont - where Teslas are built and Lucid is HQ’d.
>
>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>> There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
>> developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
>> smaller,but quick to charge.
>> I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming by
>> the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger wrote:
>>>
>>> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I
> get
>>> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read. Jim
>>> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
>>> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make me
>>> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of this
>>> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its
> interesting
>>> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the imagination
>>> for our GMC’s.
>>>
>>> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> TG
>>> --
>>> Tom Geiger
>>> 76 Eleganza II
>>> KCMO
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| Re: Electric RV’s [message #367781 is a reply to message #367773] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 16:42 |
tgeiger
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Sorry guys just getting back to this. Spent today finishing up on the TR6. I sometimes feel like Gulliver in “Gulliver’s Travels” when jumping back and forth on my 70’s vehicles lol.
Anyhow, sounds interesting Jim, sounds like things are coming along in the battery research. Will be looking forward to the news!
Yes I had the same thought also, main drivetrain remains in the front and rear wheels be a assist when we want to go 4 wheeling!
Anyhow, kinda cool to think of the possibilities!
TG
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367783 is a reply to message #367781] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 17:10 |
jimk
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If you have played with the rear wheel assembly and the Boggie arm, you'll
realize there is a frame that will limit a drive axle unless you can cut
into the body and build a frame to accommodate along with a raised floor.
The Front has all the space.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 2:42 PM tom geiger wrote:
> Sorry guys just getting back to this. Spent today finishing up on the
> TR6. I sometimes feel like Gulliver in “Gulliver’s Travels” when jumping
> back and forth on my 70’s vehicles lol.
> Anyhow, sounds interesting Jim, sounds like things are coming along in the
> battery research. Will be looking forward to the news!
>
> Yes I had the same thought also, main drivetrain remains in the front and
> rear wheels be a assist when we want to go 4 wheeling!
>
> Anyhow, kinda cool to think of the possibilities!
>
> TG
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> 76 Eleganza II
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367786 is a reply to message #367780] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 16:19 |
James Hupy
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As one who has been thoroughly stuck on wet grass in a GMC, I would concur
that momentary ability to power bogie wheels might not be a bad thing.
But, electric or engine driven? Who knows ?
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon..
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 2:13 PM Ronald Pottol wrote:
> I'd stick with FWD, I just want powered bogie wheels for getting unstuck.
> Torque, not much power, could unclutch normally.
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 10:36 Keith V wrote:
>
>> Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the
>> rears would create a LOT of problems.
>> Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies
>> coast.
>> ________________________________
>> From: Larry Davick
>> Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 11:55 AM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
>>
>> I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies.
>> The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing.
> It
>> seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor
>> been engineered for.
>>
>> Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid
> system
>> with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
>>
>> Dreaming.
>>
>> Larry Davick
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Fremont - where Teslas are built and Lucid is HQ’d.
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim Kanomata
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>> There are tremendous amount of positive changes on batteries being
>>> developed here in the Bay Area that will make the battery not only
>>> smaller,but quick to charge.
>>> I would not do anything now, but wait a year as I know what is coming
> by
>>> the filtration system we are supplying to developers.
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 5:58 AM tom geiger
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just doing some morning coffee reading. I’ve realized this is where I
>> get
>>>> myself in trouble but I have found some interesting things to read.
> Jim
>>>> Bounds recently posted up a short conversation on the topic of our GMC
>>>> being a good candidate for a electric driven conversion. It did make
> me
>>>> curious on the subject matter for RV’s and I found this article of
> this
>>>> guys research on the upcoming possibilities. Just thought its
>> interesting
>>>> to read. Nothing actionable at this point but does spark the
> imagination
>>>> for our GMC’s.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mortonsonthemove.com/hybrid-electric-rvs/
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy,
>>>> TG
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Geiger
>>>> 76 Eleganza II
>>>> KCMO
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>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367788 is a reply to message #367778] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 18:59 |
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Quote:
Larry wrote:
I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the bogies. The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be pushing. It seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen, nor been engineered for.
Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid system with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
Dreaming.
Larry Davick
Keith V wrote:
Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the rears would create a LOT of problems.
Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies coast.
Well guys,
Have seen development pieces that were a brake and a low speed brushless (think of a E-bike) motor all on the size of one of our brake drums. The forces of those motors at those places doesn't scare me, think about what the brakes are doing right now!
And,
If you have messed with the "reaction arms", you would know that the dynamics of the suspension arms can be very effectively managed by uncoupling the rotation forces from the arms.
But another problem has not been addressed yet. If California becomes even 50% EV and there is not a major change in lifestyle, about a third of the people have to ride the bus or stay home. They are already capacity short and not building anything.....
Hang on tight, this is going to be a wild ride....
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367790 is a reply to message #367788] |
Thu, 02 December 2021 19:08 |
James Hupy
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We can always hope that someone will figure out that when everyone in
California plugs in their Tesla's at the same time, that their grid will do
what Texas's did last winter. And wake up with a dose of reality about what
happens when you close fossil and Nuclear plants and rely on wind and solar
without backup systems that life as you know it in California is gonna
change and not for the better.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 5:00 PM Matt Colie wrote:
> Quote:
>> Larry wrote:
>> I wonder how the coach would handle if in-hub motors were in the
> bogies. The forward facing would be pulling while the rearward would be
> pushing.
>> It seems like it would put forces on the bogies like they’ve never seen,
> nor been engineered for.
>> Maybe best to stay front wheel drive. It seems to me that a hybrid
> system with electric in-hub motors in the rear would be a good experiment.
>> Dreaming.
>> Larry Davick
>>
>> Keith V wrote:
>> Pulling on the front bogies would solve LOT of problems, pushing on the
> rears would create a LOT of problems.
>> Run motors in the front bogies and the front wheels, let the rear bogies
> coast.
>
> Well guys,
> Have seen development pieces that were a brake and a low speed brushless
> (think of a E-bike) motor all on the size of one of our brake drums. The
> forces of those motors at those places doesn't scare me, think about what
> the brakes are doing right now!
> And,
> If you have messed with the "reaction arms", you would know that the
> dynamics of the suspension arms can be very effectively managed by
> uncoupling the
> rotation forces from the arms.
> But another problem has not been addressed yet. If California becomes
> even 50% EV and there is not a major change in lifestyle, about a third of
> the
> people have to ride the bus or stay home. They are already capacity short
> and not building anything.....
> Hang on tight, this is going to be a wild ride....
>
> Matt
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| Re: Electric RV’s [message #367795 is a reply to message #367773] |
Fri, 03 December 2021 06:21 |
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I agree Jim H, not an expert on the electrical grid but in my previous life the engineering firm I worked at had a 20 year project involving the east/northeast, which including sections of Canada electric grid upgrade. That was a different division of our company but sure was alot of work for those guys. So I do believe there is alot of upgrades for our grids to support a full on-slot of EV. Some of the electrical guys here could maybe talk to that more. Anyhow, full EV is a long term transition for sure.
My bringing this up was to go thru the pre-design possibilities we may consider to advance our gmc’s in EV technology. If the notion is cost prohibitive then I think the subject would be a non-starter. I think part of the attraction to the GMC amongst its great looks is its relative mechanical simplicity and the low cost of maintaining it. So if conversion is costly then I think it wouldn’t make sense for me but if this conversion could be attainable then how attractive would the GMC’s be for the next generation to own?
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| Re: Electric RV’s [message #367813 is a reply to message #367773] |
Fri, 03 December 2021 16:07 |
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Electric vehicles will be around for a while but IMO will be superseded by cars that will use newer and far more practical fueling technologies.
Apartment dwellers and others without access to electrical connections cannot realistically own them so they will remain a middle class/accessory/vanity item for the most part.
Personally, I find the electric car (Tesla mainly) owners to be rather reckless drivers who speed at any opportunity - this may not be all of them of course, but in my experience, quite a few.
YMMV
Larry
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| Re: Electric RV’s [message #367819 is a reply to message #367773] |
Sat, 04 December 2021 08:47 |
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My next car I was hoping to be a electric vehicle, my current A to B is a 2008 Scion XB. I wanted a vehicle that I could drive back and forth to work, total 80+ miles per day and be dependable along with carry some cargo and such. Also it would be our road trip car. Well this vehicle has that and more. 260k and still running strong! Anyhow was hoping to go to something new but I’ve been told to hold off because of the high cost of new and used vehicles so going to try to stretch it a bit more before I go to something new or newer.
It sounds promising for our RV’s. Sounds like the upcoming battery developments will hopefully help our transition possibilities for our GMC’s Jim K mentioned. Jim, got a question for you on these upcoming new batteries. Do you have any specs on their capacity for storage and discharge rates? Just wondering if there was enough info available yet to calculate battery weight and power provided by them? I initially not sure full electric can be done but rather a hybrid version. I am wondering of the series electrical drive system that Tom mentions in his article. He said for very large vehicles that was the preferred setup and it was ran by a smaller generator motor. Is that a possibility for ours? I have the Onan 6k, but sure something bigger would be needed.
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367821 is a reply to message #367820] |
Sat, 04 December 2021 09:45 |
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Doesn't look to me like you would be losing brakes. They are included in
the package, look at the exploded view. I'm just wondering how heavy a
battery package would have to be to make 2 of them work, what the amp draw
might be, and also recharge time and discharge rate times would be.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 7:20 AM Burl Vibert wrote:
> A couple of these on the front bogies would be interesting.
> I imagine it would be hard to get approval of removing the two drum brakes
> and still pass a safety inspection though
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367824 is a reply to message #367821] |
Sat, 04 December 2021 10:43 |
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James Hupy wrote on Sat, 04 December 2021 09:45Doesn't look to me like you would be losing brakes. They are included in
the package, look at the exploded view. I'm just wondering how heavy a
battery package would have to be to make 2 of them work, what the amp draw
might be, and also recharge time and discharge rate times would be.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 7:20 AM Burl Vibert wrote:
> A couple of these on the front bogies would be interesting.
> I imagine it would be hard to get approval of removing the two drum brakes
> and still pass a safety inspection though
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> https://www.proteanelectric.com/technology/#overview
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> Kingston, Ontario
> 1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her
> Roxie
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The drive requires 150-435Vdc, a Nissan Leaf battery pack and charge controls would probably do nicely.
I think they are around $3k for refurbished or used packs.
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call her Roxie
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| [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s [message #367825 is a reply to message #367821] |
Sat, 04 December 2021 13:08 |
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I think your best bet for a battery pack is to wait for a new Tesla Model Y
to be totaled. It will need to have the 4680 cells for max power/#. Look at
https://www.youtube.com/c/MunroLive/videos and search for battery.
The 6kw genset would charge the batteries at about 6 miles/hour.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 7:45 AM James Hupy wrote:
> Doesn't look to me like you would be losing brakes. They are included in
> the package, look at the exploded view. I'm just wondering how heavy a
> battery package would have to be to make 2 of them work, what the amp draw
> might be, and also recharge time and discharge rate times would be.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
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> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 7:20 AM Burl Vibert wrote:
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>> A couple of these on the front bogies would be interesting.
>> I imagine it would be hard to get approval of removing the two drum
> brakes
>> and still pass a safety inspection though
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>> https://www.proteanelectric.com/technology/#overview
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>> Burl Vibert
>> Kingston, Ontario
>> 1976 GMC 26 foot, Sheridan reno, don't know original model but we call
> her
>> Roxie
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