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Gurr
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Well, if you haven't heard, it has been found. Looks like I only responded to all of the facebook posts! We got it back on 6/17 after it was recovered from being stolen. It was quite a fiasco to get it to a storage lot, but I got it all figured out with the help of Dean Hanson. My partner and I also decided to move right after that, so I haven't had much time to go work on it. Tomorrow is the first day we're going back to start once again.
If the certain individual just painted over the paint, it would have been easy to remove that outer layer and possibly restore the beauty underneath. Unfortunately, they did quite a hack job of scraping off the stripe on the front. Sad days, not sure what our plans will be for that, but it's more of an aesthetic and can be figured out down the road.
Another unfortunate mishap is that it got a little damaged while coming out of the impound yard after the recovery...Long story short the radiator support got damaged a bit and may have crunched the radiator a little bit. Not sure what's recommended for this. I'll probably drain the system, pull it all out and see if it could be bent back to usable shape. Maybe the radiator can be salvaged, maybe this is an upgrade opportunity.
Those are more or less the new items added to the "Needed Now" and "Waiting" list. We're still going to be doing all the other things mentioned previously, I'll give another update tomorrow and beg for advice.
Glad to be back!
Also, I've been naughty. I haven't joined the registry yet! Mainly because I haven't seen the model name yet. I'll figure that out tomorrow as well.
- Gurr
1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in the middle of the night.
Berkeley, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #357571 is a reply to message #357568] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 06:54 |
Ken Henderson
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Alex,
Congratulations on getting your coach back into your possession -- even if
it is a "little the worse for wear".
Just want to make a suggestion about the radiator damage: The radiator
support you're probably talking about is a 3" wide channel shaped into a
rectangular "U". Across the top is a straight, bolted-on section to
completely surround the radiator. After removing the fan shrouds on the
back side of the radiator, and disconnecting all the plumbing from it, it's
fairly easy to remove the radiator (see the service manual for
instructions).
This note is to suggest a modification many of us have done for
convenience: Make the bottom of the surround quickly removable. Use a
pair of 3" door butts (hinges) with removable pins. The radiator
surround extends "working space" below everything else under the coach. A
couple of inches up the vertical sides of the frame from the 90* bends,
position a butt on each side. Mark the mounting holes and drill 2-4 of
them to accept 5/16" x 3/4" bolts. Be careful not to drill too deeply --
into the side of the radiator -- I protect it with a steel plate. Mark the
frame where the butts halves meet. Put a support under the center of the
radiator frame, because the support is the only thing holding the radiator
up.
Cut the frame at the marks you made in line with the pins, preferably using
a hand grinder with a cutting wheel. Since your frame is bent at the
bottom, you should now be able to straighten it more easily. Bolt the butt
halves in place using the holes you drilled earlier (those with welding
skills tend to use those). After re-installing the radiator and the
now-removeable support bottom, install bolts with self-locking nuts in
place of the pins. The next time you need to R&R the radiator, you'll be
really glad you did the mod -- just remove those pins and drop the radiator
out the bottom.
Regarding the radiator: If it's damaged, I personally wouldn't even
consider repair -- I'd replace it with one of the now available aluminum
replacements. While aluminum's not really as good a material as the brass,
the current designs and cleanliness of new provide MUCH better cooling.
JMHO,
Ken "GMCWiperman" H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:06 AM Alex Gurr via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Well, if you haven't heard, it has been found. Looks like I only responded
> to all of the facebook posts! We got it back on 6/17 after it was recovered
> from being stolen. It was quite a fiasco to get it to a storage lot, but I
> got it all figured out with the help of Dean Hanson. My partner and I also
> decided to move right after that, so I haven't had much time to go work on
> it. Tomorrow is the first day we're going back to start once again.
>
> If the certain individual just painted over the paint, it would have been
> easy to remove that outer layer and possibly restore the beauty underneath.
> Unfortunately, they did quite a hack job of scraping off the stripe on the
> front. Sad days, not sure what our plans will be for that, but it's more of
> an aesthetic and can be figured out down the road.
>
> Another unfortunate mishap is that it got a little damaged while coming
> out of the impound yard after the recovery...Long story short the radiator
> support got damaged a bit and may have crunched the radiator a little bit.
> Not sure what's recommended for this. I'll probably drain the system, pull
> it all out and see if it could be bent back to usable shape. Maybe the
> radiator can be salvaged, maybe this is an upgrade opportunity.
>
> Those are more or less the new items added to the "Needed Now" and
> "Waiting" list. We're still going to be doing all the other things mentioned
> previously, I'll give another update tomorrow and beg for advice.
>
> Glad to be back!
>
> Also, I've been naughty. I haven't joined the registry yet! Mainly because
> I haven't seen the model name yet. I'll figure that out tomorrow as well.
>
> Best,
> Alex
>
>
> --
> 1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in
> the middle of the night.
>
> Berkeley, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #357593 is a reply to message #357571] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 21:17 |
powwerjon
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Alex,
Here are some pictures on how I modified the radiator cage simular to how Ken explained. One of the first mods I did on the first coach that we got 1998, in fact the first week since we needed to record the radiator.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3850-radiator-support-bracket-modification.html
Be sure to look for captions under the pictures.
JR Wright
Michigan
> On Aug 8, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> Congratulations on getting your coach back into your possession -- even if
> it is a "little the worse for wear".
>
> Just want to make a suggestion about the radiator damage: The radiator
> support you're probably talking about is a 3" wide channel shaped into a
> rectangular "U". Across the top is a straight, bolted-on section to
> completely surround the radiator. After removing the fan shrouds on the
> back side of the radiator, and disconnecting all the plumbing from it, it's
> fairly easy to remove the radiator (see the service manual for
> instructions).
>
> This note is to suggest a modification many of us have done for
> convenience: Make the bottom of the surround quickly removable. Use a
> pair of 3" door butts (hinges) with removable pins. The radiator
> surround extends "working space" below everything else under the coach. A
> couple of inches up the vertical sides of the frame from the 90* bends,
> position a butt on each side. Mark the mounting holes and drill 2-4 of
> them to accept 5/16" x 3/4" bolts. Be careful not to drill too deeply --
> into the side of the radiator -- I protect it with a steel plate. Mark the
> frame where the butts halves meet. Put a support under the center of the
> radiator frame, because the support is the only thing holding the radiator
> up.
>
> Cut the frame at the marks you made in line with the pins, preferably using
> a hand grinder with a cutting wheel. Since your frame is bent at the
> bottom, you should now be able to straighten it more easily. Bolt the butt
> halves in place using the holes you drilled earlier (those with welding
> skills tend to use those). After re-installing the radiator and the
> now-removeable support bottom, install bolts with self-locking nuts in
> place of the pins. The next time you need to R&R the radiator, you'll be
> really glad you did the mod -- just remove those pins and drop the radiator
> out the bottom.
>
> Regarding the radiator: If it's damaged, I personally wouldn't even
> consider repair -- I'd replace it with one of the now available aluminum
> replacements. While aluminum's not really as good a material as the brass,
> the current designs and cleanliness of new provide MUCH better cooling.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken "GMCWiperman" H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:06 AM Alex Gurr via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, if you haven't heard, it has been found. Looks like I only responded
>> to all of the facebook posts! We got it back on 6/17 after it was recovered
>> from being stolen. It was quite a fiasco to get it to a storage lot, but I
>> got it all figured out with the help of Dean Hanson. My partner and I also
>> decided to move right after that, so I haven't had much time to go work on
>> it. Tomorrow is the first day we're going back to start once again.
>>
>> If the certain individual just painted over the paint, it would have been
>> easy to remove that outer layer and possibly restore the beauty underneath.
>> Unfortunately, they did quite a hack job of scraping off the stripe on the
>> front. Sad days, not sure what our plans will be for that, but it's more of
>> an aesthetic and can be figured out down the road.
>>
>> Another unfortunate mishap is that it got a little damaged while coming
>> out of the impound yard after the recovery...Long story short the radiator
>> support got damaged a bit and may have crunched the radiator a little bit.
>> Not sure what's recommended for this. I'll probably drain the system, pull
>> it all out and see if it could be bent back to usable shape. Maybe the
>> radiator can be salvaged, maybe this is an upgrade opportunity.
>>
>> Those are more or less the new items added to the "Needed Now" and
>> "Waiting" list. We're still going to be doing all the other things mentioned
>> previously, I'll give another update tomorrow and beg for advice.
>>
>> Glad to be back!
>>
>> Also, I've been naughty. I haven't joined the registry yet! Mainly because
>> I haven't seen the model name yet. I'll figure that out tomorrow as well.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> --
>> 1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in
>> the middle of the night.
>>
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
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| Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #358611 is a reply to message #354789] |
Mon, 14 September 2020 10:23 |
Gurr
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Glad to say some updates, been doing some work on this one.
Obtained a new radiator and did my best to bend the bracket back into shape. Also performed that bracket mod. Looks great! Thanks for the pics on that.
I'm to the point of trying to start it again and unfortunately, I'm getting a no-start scenario, just cranks. My guesses are in the realm of a few different things that can be causing this:
1) I replaced the spark plug wires and they are not quite the right style. I also just looked up parts for a similar year/engine vehicle (1973 oldsmobile vista cruiser with a 455)
- plugs were the ACDelco R45TS, now they are Autolite AP86 with an 0.040" gap
- plug wires have a different attachment style to the distributor, I think the distributor might not be stock (it has a "delco-remy" coil on the top if that helps, I don't see a part number)
Solution: swapping some of these items back is the easiest, most direct way of testing if this is my issue.
2) I replaced the ignition switch, it took a bit of finagling with some items in the steering column, a component DID fall down in the shaft. On another note, there was also a Red and Black wire that wrapped around the turn signal mechanism. During my removal process, I tried to pry out those spade connectors, the red one broke, and they are a pretty wonky looking spade connector, doubt I can find one to re-crimp on there.
//The Component//
- I thought it may just be the steering locking mechanism, but maybe that was an important component for contact!
- It looks like a nut on one side and a flat end of a clevis pin on the other
- From what I can tell, it was on the left side, as you turn the key a little bar with a latch sticks out towards the driver, I believe the bottom comes out from the other end of the steering column with a hook. This hook is also disconnected from whatever is supposed to be down there.
- it fell down when I attempted to remove the turn signal mechanism.
//The Wire//
- above description kinda has it
- What is the red wire for? It looks like a little spring clipped wiper contact (that goes on the bottom side of the ignition switch) is what contacts these 2 wires.
Solution: I can fish out that component and put it back in the shaft, I can figure out how to make the red wire a complete connection again. This solution is a bit more difficult and time consuming than (1).
3) Another certain individual had ownership of this vehicle for a month. Under the dash was already a bit of a shit show. I have no idea if he may have done something along the lines of attempted hot wiring.
Solution: Go through the wires and find out which ones are necessary for the vehicle to run. These things are pretty simple though, not a lot of things going on, that's why this is last. It might be best to point me to which page in which manual!
Now that the problems are out of the way, I'll go ahead and mention the good things!
Other things done and checked off
- replaced fuel pump (as oil was saturated in gas, I'll probably send in an oil sample next time to see if any damage has occurred)
- removed random external cooler (looked like external for trans)
- compression test (they all hit above 150)
- new compression fitting for external oil pressure gauge (as it was spraying from under the dash when running, "temporary owner" crimped off end of hose)
- condenser supports (pretty much non-existent, threw some on there)
- spark plugs and wires (although the wires ended up being the wrong style. What wires should I get?)
- replaced our big dinette window!
- new radiator (as mentioned before) from Applied GMC
- new ignition (as mentioned before)
I was able to bring a bike pump and pump up the driver side airbag, found it has some leaks and needs to be replaced, but it holds air for a bit and probably doesn't have to be done immediately.
I should figure out the picture situation on this forum. Haven't tried yet and I think it would be beneficial if I were to continue posting!
Best,
Gurr
1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in the middle of the night.
Berkeley, CA
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| Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #358637 is a reply to message #354789] |
Mon, 14 September 2020 18:29 |
Larry
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Gurr,
I've had troubles posting pics to this forum also, so I joined the GMC Photo Archive. I post my pics there where it is archived under my name and login. Then post the link to the appropriate pics, to this forum. I have lots of pics there of many of the things I did to my coach, so is easy to go there if I need to review what I've done. Also then post the links to others that are looking for a solution to their problem.
Example...when someone asks about installing a macerator, I point them to my link about my macerator install....
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3603-macerator-install.html
Just what I do. (JWID) and hope this helps (HTH)
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #358670 is a reply to message #354789] |
Tue, 15 September 2020 12:13 |
Gurr
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Thanks for that Larry, I'll try doing that to get some pics up!
Good news! Figured it out. It happened to be the last of the three options. Luckily a buddy came by and that's what we started with (mainly because I forgot the old spark plug wires and I didn't want to take the steering wheel off again unless we knew what that wire went to). I'm still concerned with what that wiper contact controls. Looking at some of the wiring diagrams, it may be a pink wire up in the steering column or a red one. Tough to tell. Doesn't really matter at this point though.
We only found 1.2V going to ignition coil so we knew that we had to either wire the ignition coil to the battery or find where the issue was. What we had found was that hook that comes out of the bottom of the steering column was supposed to go to that key position switch under the dash. Previous "temporary owner" (PTO) pulled it off the column and fudged around with it a bit...pulling out the connectors, jamming them back in, folding some of the spade contacts...but the true culprit was that the ignition was never switched to the "on" position for starting! Once we changed the position we were getting 12V to the coil again. It seems a little strange that there was that 1.2V floating when the key was off though, no? Not sure what that's about.
It's actually pretty amazing that everything else is working with the condition it's in, the coil power wire has bare spots all over it, just waiting to short to the block. Can't wait to start tearing out all that old wiring and redoing it, there's years of accessory wires branching off everywhere not going to anything in particular. I should probably make sure none of those are going to ground out as well.
Currently the motorhome is in a gravel lot on Treasure Island, gotta get it off before the 17th to avoid paying another month! It's also a little sad, I'm gonna miss it there.
- Gurr
1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in the middle of the night.
Berkeley, CA
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| Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #368359 is a reply to message #354789] |
Wed, 05 January 2022 12:45 |
Gurr
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Glad to say I'm still working on The Yam. I'm nearly down to just the shell and keep questioning my decisions of going deeper. Luckily Jim Bound's videos have given me confirmation that I'm doing the right thing.
Most recently I decided to take out the disintegrating dash and the floorboards in the front cabin. I'm glad I did so because someone previously decided to just slap down some more plywood over the previously rotted-out floor.
I'm also going to work on getting the mechanicals all up to par (which is kind of a "duh" sort of thing). This will include:
- rear rebuild (e.g. brakes, airbags(quad?), paint)
- front 1-ton upgrade
- bare minimum for engine to "work" for just a bit longer until I know what I want to do (I'm sure it's pretty tired, we'll see what it looks like when I pull the intake):
- intake manifold block-off
- original carb install (currently has some Edelbrock installed)
- uninstall all AM items installed over the years (lots of misc. wires horribly spliced)
Also on another note, I have tried to create an account on the photos archive and I keep getting an error message saying an administrator needs to do something about creating my account. No one is responding to the email request to sort this out, who do I contact?
1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in the middle of the night.
Berkeley, CA
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| [GMCnet] Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #368361 is a reply to message #368359] |
Wed, 05 January 2022 12:48 |
sgltrac
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What year is your coach Alex?
Sully
Bellevue wa
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:45 AM Alex Gurr wrote:
> Glad to say I'm still working on The Yam. I'm nearly down to just the
> shell and keep questioning my decisions of going deeper. Luckily Jim Bound's
> videos have given me confirmation that I'm doing the right thing.
>
> Most recently I decided to take out the disintegrating dash and the
> floorboards in the front cabin. I'm glad I did so because someone previously
> decided to just slap down some more plywood over the previously rotted-out
> floor.
>
> I'm also going to work on getting the mechanicals all up to par (which is
> kind of a "duh" sort of thing). This will include:
>
> rear rebuild (e.g. brakes, airbags(quad?), paint)
> front 1-ton upgrade
> bare minimum for engine to "work" for just a bit longer until I know what
> I want to do (I'm sure it's pretty tired, we'll see what it looks like when
> I pull the intake):
>
> intake manifold block-off
> original carb install (currently has some Edelbrock installed)
> uninstall all AM items installed over the years (lots of misc. wires
> horribly spliced)
>
>
> Also on another note, I have tried to create an account on the photos
> archive and I keep getting an error message saying an administrator needs
> to do
> something about creating my account. No one is responding to the email
> request to sort this out, who do I contact?
> --
> 1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in
> the middle of the night.
>
> Berkeley, CA
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77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| [GMCnet] Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #368363 is a reply to message #368359] |
Wed, 05 January 2022 14:23 |
CJV
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I'm in the process of acquiring my first GMC, a 1978 Royale. I'm glad to see someone else is going down the same path I want to take!! But one question; why are you going to the one ton front upgrade? Is the existing front end too badly worn?
CJ Vermeulen, Scribbler
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From: "Alex Gurr"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:45:01 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead.
Glad to say I'm still working on The Yam. I'm nearly down to just the shell and keep questioning my decisions of going deeper. Luckily Jim Bound's
videos have given me confirmation that I'm doing the right thing.
Most recently I decided to take out the disintegrating dash and the floorboards in the front cabin. I'm glad I did so because someone previously
decided to just slap down some more plywood over the previously rotted-out floor.
I'm also going to work on getting the mechanicals all up to par (which is kind of a "duh" sort of thing). This will include:
rear rebuild (e.g. brakes, airbags(quad?), paint)
front 1-ton upgrade
bare minimum for engine to "work" for just a bit longer until I know what I want to do (I'm sure it's pretty tired, we'll see what it looks like when
I pull the intake):
intake manifold block-off
original carb install (currently has some Edelbrock installed)
uninstall all AM items installed over the years (lots of misc. wires horribly spliced)
Also on another note, I have tried to create an account on the photos archive and I keep getting an error message saying an administrator needs to do
something about creating my account. No one is responding to the email request to sort this out, who do I contact?
--
1973 GMC Motorhome. Obtained from the brink of destruction 05/15/2020 in the middle of the night.
Berkeley, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: New Ownership, New member, Long road ahead. [message #371125 is a reply to message #368363] |
Sat, 04 March 2023 01:22 |
Gurr
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I see I never responded to this! Sorry CJ...
To answer your question, yes. The entire coach is really kind of beat. I'm still working on it and as I kept checking things out and testing components and tearing it down more and more. It's been a lot of work, but I'm glad I have done it. I'm pretty lucky to be close to Jim K and Nick at Applied. I still haven't gotten to the front setup and I have intentions of doing so at some point, but I need to get this thing in a running state pretty soon here. Just some high level things that I've done:
- Replaced all the brake lines
- Performed hydroboost installation
- Kept the rear drums and rebuilt the whole back axle setups -- replacing bogie pins and bushings on one side and just tearing down and cleaning up the other side
- Installed quad bags in the rear
- Mostly finished with drum reaction arm system in the rear
- Howell TBI install partially finished
- One-wire swap on the alternator
- New emergency brake cables not installed
- Fuel tanks dropped, sending units installed, need to put back in when I feel like I don't need to access that spot under the coach anymore
- Entire interior removed, I would like to do new panels on the floor before building interior
Other things here and there...
The main goal for me is to have a solid base as I plan to put a pretty decent solar array on top with ability to have a rooftop deck as well. That plus the battery setup would be a possibly heavy install (even though I am removing a lot of weight by means of interior setup and possibly replacing the floor with composite material). This is why I would want to do the front one-ton swap as well...however there is debate/studies on braking power with mixing and matching these setups that I will not get into. Then again, maybe I will be fine with a rebuilt/reinforced front end (I have to check for the cracking front control arms that seem to plague the early models).
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