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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328047 is a reply to message #327718] Mon, 08 January 2018 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, I have been reluctant to offer an opinion but here goes...

First I have only made it two conventions 2007 Amana IA, and DuQuoin IL (in 2012). I do have one of those J.O.B.S. I believe the 2007 convention was M-F. I also believe I had mentioned to some that I felt a schedule like Fri-Thurs would be better for us working stiffs. In hindsight I kind of have a change of opinion.

It seemed to me that when the schedule was M-F, that things were either just getting started on Monday or winding down by Friday. In 2007, I believe I only had two weeks of vacation time (which makes it a precious commodity). I do think that for those semi-local who probably can only sacrifice 2 or 3 vacation days that there is more happening on Sat and Sun at the Fri-Thursday conventions than there is at the M-F conventions. But if a person does have a whole week of vacation to use, then the M-F (with the weekends being travel time) is probably better.

I currently have 4 weeks of vacation time (but will never have more so long as I keep my current job). So there are a few more options now, but depending on what other events are planned throughout the year, four weeks still is not very much compared to those who are retired.

I guess both have advantages. Speaking as a person who still has a J.O.B. If the convention is close (and I am limited in vacation days available), then I prefer the Fri-Thur format. BUT if I do have a whole week of vacation time to spare, and the convention is a little farther, then the M-F format is better.

I am not sure either format is better than the other; but I do think with the M-F you will get more people with more vacation time to spare (which probably means older working people who have earned more vacation days) but will stay for the whole week. With Fri-Thur you are more likely to get younger working people (who do not have as much vacation time to spare), but who will probably only stay for a few days either side of the weekend.


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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328083 is a reply to message #327718] Tue, 09 January 2018 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KB wrote on Wed, 03 January 2018 17:14
I've heard that various clubs start their ~5 day rallies on a Thursday or Friday in the hopes of getting younger folks (ie, working stiffs) to come to the rally.
Ironically, this makes it much more difficult to get there if you have to plan around limited time off and some distance.

For example, we're about 870 miles away from Tuscon. If we drove 435 miles a day, we'd have to leave Thursday April 5th at the latest, and wouldn't return until late on Friday the 13th at the earliest in order to attend the whole rally.
Not exactly a leisurely pace, and it will use up 7 vacation days.

If the rally ran Monday through Friday or Saturday, we'd have a weekend on either side for actually getting there and back, and
would end up only needing 5 vacation days.

So, what do other folks think? Would having future rallies Monday through Friday be better for working folks?

Karen
1975 26'




Down here in Arizona, the Saguaro Jetset normally has three day rallies (Thursday evening through Sunday morning). This works well for us working people even though we sometimes have to scramble to get the Friday off and sometimes arrive late on Thursday evening.

I agree that for a five day rally, especially one that requires a lot of driving to get to, a Monday through Friday schedule would work best, leaving the adjacent weekends for travel. That only works if the participants are able to take a week off to attend.


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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328087 is a reply to message #327721] Tue, 09 January 2018 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like Sunday travel because of fewer trucks, but, it is usually
compensated for by the 4 wheel drive, crew cab, lift kitted, pick ups
towing a load of 4 runners, or pleasure boats or toy haulers at 75 plus in
the far left lane, swerving in and out of weekend travelers. Usually
truckers drive a constant speed, stay in one lane, and maintain proper
following distances. I will take that any day over the 4 x 4's.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or

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> Question....do you have any fear about traveling on Sunday if you were to
> break down?
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> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
>
>> KB wrote on Wed, 03 January 2018 17:14
>>> I've heard that various clubs start their ~5 day rallies on a Thursday
>> or Friday in the hopes of getting younger folks (ie, working stiffs) to
>>> come to the rally.
>>> Ironically, this makes it much more difficult to get there if you have
>> to plan around limited time off and some distance.
>>>
>>> For example, we're about 870 miles away from Tuscon. If we drove 435
>> miles a day, we'd have to leave Thursday April 5th at the latest, and
>>> wouldn't return until late on Friday the 13th at the earliest in order
>> to attend the whole rally.
>>> Not exactly a leisurely pace, and it will use up 7 vacation days.
>>>
>>> If the rally ran Monday through Friday or Saturday, we'd have a weekend
>> on either side for actually getting there and back, and
>>> would end up only needing 5 vacation days.
>>>
>>> So, what do other folks think? Would having future rallies Monday
>> through Friday be better for working folks?
>>>
>>> Karen
>>> 1975 26'
>>
>>
>> Down here in Arizona, the Saguaro Jetset normally has three day rallies
>> (Thursday evening through Sunday morning). This works well for us
> working
>> people even though we sometimes have to scramble to get the Friday off
> and
>> sometimes arrive late on Thursday evening.
>>
>> I agree that for a five day rally, especially one that requires a lot of
>> driving to get to, a Monday through Friday schedule would work best,
> leaving
>> the adjacent weekends for travel. That only works if the participants
> are
>> able to take a week off to attend.
>>
>> --
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>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
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>> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
>> Eagles,
>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328088 is a reply to message #328087] Tue, 09 January 2018 13:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not comfort driving the coach in Sunday traffic here in Florida or being out of
state and repair shops closed. Here in Florida beach traffic is a bear with crowds
of people racing to get home. I actually like the truck traffic. I run with them.
I know most don't trust RVers who shouldn't be driving rigs that are too big for them
to handle. .... but I've found that after about 50 miles of staying close but not too
close and using signals and good judgement. they don't really mind. My speeds are down
but I get gooder mpg and time is about the same.

Everyone is different and has different needs and wants.

My next International Rally, I may just come early to help unload and stay late to load
and pack up.

jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, Fl
Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328089 is a reply to message #328088] Tue, 09 January 2018 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,

In New South Wales an automobile driving license allows one to drive a vehicle up to 4.5 tons in weight. If you want to drive
anything larger you need a Light Truck License.

Regards,
Rob M.
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I'm not comfort driving the coach in Sunday traffic here in Florida or being out of
state and repair shops closed. Here in Florida beach traffic is a bear with crowds
of people racing to get home. I actually like the truck traffic. I run with them.
I know most don't trust RVers who shouldn't be driving rigs that are too big for them
to handle. .... but I've found that after about 50 miles of staying close but not too
close and using signals and good judgement. they don't really mind. My speeds are down
but I get gooder mpg and time is about the same.

Everyone is different and has different needs and wants.

My next International Rally, I may just come early to help unload and stay late to load
and pack up.

jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, Fl




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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328104 is a reply to message #328087] Tue, 09 January 2018 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe in Oregon, but driving up and down I-81 or I-95 will not fill one
with love for truckers. Your description of the 4x4 drivers fits truckers
on this coast perfectly. The double-bottom Fedex trucks seem to be the
worst.

Truck traffic is too heavy to fit on one lane—that’s the problem. So, they
are constantly changing lanes, and squeezing out cars so they can climb a
hill 5mph faster than a truck at crawl speed.

As for me, I can only attend rallies I can reach in one day, but over a
weekend or between weekends is a bit less of a concern. Generally, I would
prefer not to spill deeply into two weeks, so that I can plan work travel
more easily. But that hasn’t kept me from attending a rally. Distance has.

Rick “wishing 320 miles of I-81 in Virginia wasn’t between me and just
about everywhere” Denney


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:01 PM James Hupy wrote:

> I like Sunday travel because of fewer trucks, but, it is usually
> compensated for by the 4 wheel drive, crew cab, lift kitted, pick ups
> towing a load of 4 runners, or pleasure boats or toy haulers at 75 plus in
> the far left lane, swerving in and out of weekend travelers. Usually
> truckers drive a constant speed, stay in one lane, and maintain proper
> following distances. I will take that any day over the 4 x 4's.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or

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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328114 is a reply to message #327718] Wed, 10 January 2018 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328120 is a reply to message #328083] Wed, 10 January 2018 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
>
> KB wrote on Wed, 03 January 2018 17:14
>> I've heard that various clubs start their ~5 day rallies on a Thursday or Friday in the hopes of getting younger folks (ie, working stiffs) to
>> come to the rally.
>> Ironically, this makes it much more difficult to get there if you have to plan around limited time off and some distance.
>>
>> For example, we're about 870 miles away from Tuscon. If we drove 435 miles a day, we'd have to leave Thursday April 5th at the latest, and
>> wouldn't return until late on Friday the 13th at the earliest in order to attend the whole rally.
>> Not exactly a leisurely pace, and it will use up 7 vacation days.
>>
>> If the rally ran Monday through Friday or Saturday, we'd have a weekend on either side for actually getting there and back, and
>> would end up only needing 5 vacation days.
>>
>> So, what do other folks think? Would having future rallies Monday through Friday be better for working folks?
>>
>> Karen
>> 1975 26'
>
>
> Down here in Arizona, the Saguaro Jetset normally has three day rallies (Thursday evening through Sunday morning). This works well for us working
> people even though we sometimes have to scramble to get the Friday off and sometimes arrive late on Thursday evening.
>
> I agree that for a five day rally, especially one that requires a lot of driving to get to, a Monday through Friday schedule would work best, leaving
> the adjacent weekends for travel. That only works if the participants are able to take a week off to attend.
>
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328134 is a reply to message #328120] Wed, 10 January 2018 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, assuming 2 days of travel each way and a M-F work schedule,
3-night rallies require fewer vacation days (4) if held on weekends than during the week (5).

For 4-night rallies, it doesn't matter when you have it because it will always require 5 days of vacation time.

5-night rallies are where the disparity kicks in. There, as mentioned, a M-F night rally requires 5 days vacation time,
but encompassing a weekend takes 7 days of vacation time.

A spreadsheet might be helpful to calculate it with varying travel days and rally lengths, but at least this gives an idea.
It would be nice to know the average (or mean) number of travel days people tend to need to get to a rally.
Clearly this topic is irrelevant for retired or unemployed folks or ones with flexible schedules, but it'd be nice to make it easier for everyone else.


Karen
1975 26'




Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328137 is a reply to message #328134] Wed, 10 January 2018 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my case, Karen, We leave Salem, Oregon on day 1, Redding, California
overnight. Day 2, to Bakersfield, California. Overnight. Leave Bakersfield,
California and beat it to Tucson, Arizona for the combined GMCMI/GMCWS
rally. Return trip, back through Arches, Canyonlands, Loss Vegas, Salt
Lake City, then ???? back to Oregon. So, it is hard for us to figure
exactly. I've driven south that way before, and those overnights will leave
us rested well. Which is the whole point of using the GMC. The trip is at
least as much fun as the destination. If we were in a hurry, we would fly
down and rent a car when we got there. If we had to worry about burning
vacation days, that would influence daily distances a whole bunch.
Planners of rallies go through lots of mental gymnastics trying to
schedule events around the numbers of attendees who still work and need to
schedule vacation days vs retired members who are in no hurry. They kind of
make decisions knowing that some portion of the group are going to come out
on the short end of the schedules. It is not easy, but the point is to try
and be flexible.
Jim Hupy
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On Jan 10, 2018 3:04 PM, "KB" wrote:

> By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, assuming 2 days of travel each
> way and a M-F work schedule,
> 3-night rallies require fewer vacation days (4) if held on weekends than
> during the week (5).
>
> For 4-night rallies, it doesn't matter when you have it because it will
> always require 5 days of vacation time.
>
> 5-night rallies are where the disparity kicks in. There, as mentioned, a
> M-F night rally requires 5 days vacation time,
> but encompassing a weekend takes 7 days of vacation time.
>
> A spreadsheet might be helpful to calculate it with varying travel days
> and rally lengths, but at least this gives an idea.
> It would be nice to know the average (or mean) number of travel days
> people tend to need to get to a rally.
> Clearly this topic is irrelevant for retired or unemployed folks or ones
> with flexible schedules, but it'd be nice to make it easier for everyone
> else.
>
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328141 is a reply to message #328137] Wed, 10 January 2018 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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James Hupy wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 15:42

Planners of rallies go through lots of mental gymnastics trying to
schedule events around the numbers of attendees who still work and need to
schedule vacation days vs retired members who are in no hurry. They kind of
make decisions knowing that some portion of the group are going to come out
on the short end of the schedules. It is not easy, but the point is to try
and be flexible.


Scheduling rallies with the most constrained folks in mind (ie, working people) does not affect those without such constraints.
To retirees, every day is Saturday, so it's *always* working people who come out on the short end of the schedules.


Karen 1975 26' San Jose, CA
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Karen, it is really hard to assemble a rally that has new and interesting
attractions. Many of the technical presenters still work, some of them more
than 50 to 60 hours a week. Several are Vendors as well. Having the rallies
close to the majority of attendees would seem to make good sense, but when
you locate in the eastern part of the US, the hue and cry goes up from the
west. Same thing happens when you locate one in the west.
It is not a simple job, but your point is well taken about the working
folks being on the short end of the stick. Other than regional rallies and
paid travel for presenters and vendors, I sure don't have all the answers.
Jim Hupy

On Jan 10, 2018 6:33 PM, "KB" wrote:

> James Hupy wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 15:42
>> Planners of rallies go through lots of mental gymnastics trying to
>> schedule events around the numbers of attendees who still work and need
> to
>> schedule vacation days vs retired members who are in no hurry. They kind
> of
>> make decisions knowing that some portion of the group are going to come
> out
>> on the short end of the schedules. It is not easy, but the point is to
> try
>> and be flexible.
>
>
> Scheduling rallies with the most constrained folks in mind (ie, working
> people) does not affect those without such constraints.
> To retirees, every day is Saturday, so it's *always* working people who
> come out on the short end of the schedules.
> --
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> 1975 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328147 is a reply to message #327721] Thu, 11 January 2018 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen. Great that you brought this up. As the board can't make thing better for all without input. Not on the board. Just an active member. We bought our first GMC in 2003. Try to go to both rallies each year ever since. In 2016 GMCMI put on a summer rally in hopes that the members with children could attend rallies. Kim even did that rally for free for GMCMI. I attended that rally as a test run with our replacement GMC. Some members with children showed up. But it was mostly members that always show up anyway. Kim and the board really try hard to look for, and try ideas from members. Bob Dunahugh
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Re: Rallies: what days of the week are best for people with J.O.B.s? [message #328151 is a reply to message #327718] Thu, 11 January 2018 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As some may recall, I ran a survey for Eastern States at one time. What that immediately confirmed was that people are not interested to drive more than a day to a two day (weekend) rally. Now, we would take the 2000 mile 5 day run to Tucson, but as there is the expected arrival of a granddaughter about then and someone really wants to be in town when that happens. That even over rules the fact that we might be running a break-in about then. This is a good try on Kim's part.

There is another gotcha that we have learned all about when trying to set up rallies. Cost is a big issue. Kim is trying to keep costs down and that is why some of us got to share a space at Elkhart and Kim has the problem of size too. Not a lot of places can manage a 200 coach event.

Ever been to a 500+ event like an FMCA thing? It is a zoo and they are never cheap.

I still think the there is a future for virtual local tech sessions. We are now doing video effectively enough to do a webinar of so many things. If someone does not chose to join from their home, they could be part of a semi-local gathering. While the cost of doing this was never in Eastern States' budget, the cost has come down so much that it may now be a real possibility. This could allow audience interaction that is what makes the tech at the conventions so interesting.

Matt


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It's really had as a wage slave to make it to any rally more than a days drive away.

Limited vacation mostly


And I'm totally fine with sharing a space

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As some may recall, I ran a survey for Eastern States at one time. What that immediately confirmed was that people are not interested to drive more
than a day to a two day (weekend) rally. Now, we would take the 2000 mile 5 day run to Tucson, but as there is the expected arrival of a
granddaughter about then and someone really wants to be in town when that happens. That even over rules the fact that we might be running a break-in
about then. This is a good try on Kim's part.

There is another gotcha that we have learned all about when trying to set up rallies. Cost is a big issue. Kim is trying to keep costs down and that
is why some of us got to share a space at Elkhart and Kim has the problem of size too. Not a lot of places can manage a 200 coach event.

Ever been to a 500+ event like an FMCA thing? It is a zoo and they are never cheap.

I still think the there is a future for virtual local tech sessions. We are now doing video effectively enough to do a webinar of so many things. If
someone does not chose to join from their home, they could be part of a semi-local gathering. While the cost of doing this was never in Eastern
States' budget, the cost has come down so much that it may now be a real possibility. This could allow audience interaction that is what makes the
tech at the conventions so interesting.

Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit

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Keith Vasilakes
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