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| Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327624] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 17:46  |
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I have heard over the years that the antifreeze, polyethylene glycol, does not go bad or break down. The only problem is the additive packages, anti-corrosion and pump lube, wear out or are consumed. I have never heard of this being disputed.
Question: Is there a product to refresh the addive package in antifreeze? If so what is the nane(s) of this product. In searching I have not been able to find an antifreeze additive that does not claim to improve cooling or "make water wetter. I don't need any snake oil, just an additive refresher.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327625 is a reply to message #327624] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 18:01  |
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Atleast 20 years ago, there used to be a waterpump lube additive that also contained supplements for the other additives found in coolants. I can't recall the brand, nor do I recall seeing it on the shelves these days. Honestly though, I haven't looked for it as I believe a fluid change is of benefit to help keep dirt and sediment under control.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
> On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Steve Southworth wrote:
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> I have heard over the years that the antifreeze, polyethylene glycol, does not go bad or break down. The only problem is the additive packages,
> anti-corrosion and pump lube, wear out or are consumed. I have never heard of this being disputed.
>
> Question: Is there a product to refresh the addive package in antifreeze? If so what is the nane(s) of this product. In searching I have not been
> able to find an antifreeze additive that does not claim to improve cooling or "make water wetter. I don't need any snake oil, just an additive
> refresher.
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327626 is a reply to message #327625] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 18:14 |
James Hupy
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If you are using ethelyne glycol anti-freeze mixed with distilled water in
a 50/50 mixture in a clean cooling system, and you have changed and
flushed the system in the last 3 years, I personally would not be
concerned about a failed additive package. But, there are test kits to
confirm the potency if you are concerned. If it fails that test, drain,
flush, and renew your system. Go back in the house and worry if your wife
is planning to kill you for your life insurance policy, or some other
unlikely problem.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
On Dec 31, 2017 4:02 PM, "Les Burt" wrote:
> Atleast 20 years ago, there used to be a waterpump lube additive that also
> contained supplements for the other additives found in coolants. I can't
> recall the brand, nor do I recall seeing it on the shelves these days.
> Honestly though, I haven't looked for it as I believe a fluid change is of
> benefit to help keep dirt and sediment under control.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
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>
>> On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Steve Southworth
> wrote:
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>> I have heard over the years that the antifreeze, polyethylene glycol,
> does not go bad or break down. The only problem is the additive packages,
>> anti-corrosion and pump lube, wear out or are consumed. I have never
> heard of this being disputed.
>>
>> Question: Is there a product to refresh the addive package in
> antifreeze? If so what is the nane(s) of this product. In searching I
> have not been
>> able to find an antifreeze additive that does not claim to improve
> cooling or "make water wetter. I don't need any snake oil, just an additive
>> refresher.
>> --
>> Steve Southworth
>> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
>> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
>> Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327627 is a reply to message #327626] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 18:45 |
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Jim,
Well so much for this New Years Resolution!
"And to be less of a wiseas# when responding to information requests on the net."
;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:15 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
If you are using ethelyne glycol anti-freeze mixed with distilled water in
a 50/50 mixture in a clean cooling system, and you have changed and
flushed the system in the last 3 years, I personally would not be
concerned about a failed additive package. But, there are test kits to
confirm the potency if you are concerned. If it fails that test, drain,
flush, and renew your system. Go back in the house and worry if your wife
is planning to kill you for your life insurance policy, or some other
unlikely problem.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327628 is a reply to message #327625] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 18:50 |
James Hupy
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Hey Rob, Happy New Year. It is not 2018 here in Salem, yet. We still got 6
hours and change. But, I answered the question first. No points for that?
(Grin)
Jim Hupy
On Dec 31, 2017 4:46 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
Jim,
Well so much for this New Years Resolution!
"And to be less of a wiseas# when responding to information requests on the
net."
;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
Hupy
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:15 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
If you are using ethelyne glycol anti-freeze mixed with distilled water in
a 50/50 mixture in a clean cooling system, and you have changed and
flushed the system in the last 3 years, I personally would not be
concerned about a failed additive package. But, there are test kits to
confirm the potency if you are concerned. If it fails that test, drain,
flush, and renew your system. Go back in the house and worry if your wife
is planning to kill you for your life insurance policy, or some other
unlikely problem.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327629 is a reply to message #327627] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 19:01 |
Ken Burton
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Don't bug him it is not the New Year here yet.
Water pump lube is available at my local auto parts store and is cheap. It is especially helpful on vehicles that sit for long periods of time. After taking out water pump seals on several vehicles that sat for more the 6 months, I started using it. I have not had to replace a water pump on anything I own since then. It is not the cost of the water pumps (most are life time warranty). It is doing the work to replace it that I hate.
USAussie wrote on Sun, 31 December 2017 18:45Jim,
Well so much for this New Years Resolution!
"And to be less of a wiseas# when responding to information requests on the net."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:15 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
If you are using ethelyne glycol anti-freeze mixed with distilled water in
a 50/50 mixture in a clean cooling system, and you have changed and
flushed the system in the last 3 years, I personally would not be
concerned about a failed additive package. But, there are test kits to
confirm the potency if you are concerned. If it fails that test, drain,
flush, and renew your system. Go back in the house and worry if your wife
is planning to kill you for your life insurance policy, or some other
unlikely problem.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327630 is a reply to message #327628] |
Sun, 31 December 2017 19:00 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
Of course!
But I just couldn't resist. ;-)
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:50 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
Hey Rob, Happy New Year. It is not 2018 here in Salem, yet. We still got 6
hours and change. But, I answered the question first. No points for that?
(Grin)
Jim Hupy
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327642 is a reply to message #327624] |
Mon, 01 January 2018 08:13 |
jhbridges
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Ever time someone says 'preflight' I flash on 'CIGARTIP'.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327644 is a reply to message #327624] |
Mon, 01 January 2018 10:26 |
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I would think just as important as adding new additves, would be removing the spent additives and the new compounds they form. Drain and refil.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327646 is a reply to message #327624] |
Mon, 01 January 2018 11:20 |
jhbridges
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Our Cummins Big Cam engines fitted a coolant filter. These came with some additive or additives in them, in concentrations from 1 to 5. Based on a field test, the tech used the correct filter. Never failed a radiator or a sleeve in one maintained that way. I have seen both failures in those not so maintained.
The GMC and the toads and Paula's TnC get synthetic oil and a filter every 5K miles or annually in the case of the GMC if it hasn't been that far. So far, it's worked well.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327647 is a reply to message #327642] |
Mon, 01 January 2018 13:36 |
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USAussie
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Johnny,
Please explain.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
Ever time someone says 'preflight' I flash on 'CIGARTIP'.
--johnny
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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327655 is a reply to message #327647] |
Mon, 01 January 2018 21:26 |
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USAussie wrote on Mon, 01 January 2018 14:36Johnny,
Please explain.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 1:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
Ever time someone says 'preflight' I flash on 'CIGARTIP'.
--johnny
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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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"from AOPA.org"
One way to ensure you went through the critical items on the checklist was the well-known acronym CIGAR TIP. The last thing before takeoff, after all checklist items were completed, I'd run through CIGAR TIP: C for controls, free and moving properly; I for instruments (including checking the directional indicator against runway heading and magnetic compass); G was for gas, both quantity and set on correct tank, alternate fuel pump on or off as appropriate, and also for gear (more on this later); A for altimeter; R for runup--not necessarily to do it again, but to remember if you really did it during the checklist; T for trim set for takeoff; I was for interior, doors and windows locked; P for propeller set for takeoff.
Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327662 is a reply to message #327655] |
Tue, 02 January 2018 04:09 |
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Johnny,
THANKS!
Actually I'm a bit embarrassed that I was not aware of CIGAR TIP after working for Hamilton Standard for thirty three years.
ESPECIALLY since "P" stood for PROPELLER!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 2:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh
"from AOPA.org"
One way to ensure you went through the critical items on the checklist was the well-known acronym CIGAR TIP. The last thing before
takeoff, after all checklist items were completed, I'd run through CIGAR TIP: C for controls, free and moving properly; I for
instruments (including checking the directional indicator against runway heading and magnetic compass); G was for gas, both quantity
and set on correct tank, alternate fuel pump on or
off as appropriate, and also for gear (more on this later); A for altimeter; R for runup--not necessarily to do it again, but to
remember if you really did it during the checklist; T for trim set for takeoff; I was for interior, doors and windows locked; P for
propeller set for takeoff.
--
Tom Lins
Elkton, FL
77 GM Rear Twin
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327667 is a reply to message #327624] |
Tue, 02 January 2018 08:02 |
jhbridges
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We used R = Radio (Set to Unicom or tower as appropriate) and P for Pilot = am I ready to go.
And assuming you aviated properly and were preparing to descend, GUMPP.
(Gas, Undercarriage, Mixture, Pumps, Props)
--johnny
Edit: Lemme point out, neither of these take the place of the aircraft checklist... use them in addition to it.
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Antifreeze additive refresh [message #327687 is a reply to message #327662] |
Tue, 02 January 2018 16:53 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
Don't feel bad. After 23 rated years in USAF, CIGAR TIP is new to me too.
Probably because we were so indoctrinated to ALWAYS read our printed
checklists -- even during middle of the night 5 minute scrambles with the
F101B in Air Defense Command. :-)
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:09 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Johnny,
>
> THANKS!
>
> Actually I'm a bit embarrassed that I was not aware of CIGAR TIP after
> working for Hamilton Standard for thirty three years.
>
> ESPECIALLY since "P" stood for PROPELLER!
>
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