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Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327452] Sun, 24 December 2017 11:37 Go to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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Engines that run at a very constant rpms have carbon build up issues. This is due to their never changing combustion chamber turbulence patterns. Engines that have ever changing rpm ranges don't develop these issues. This is the reason that our Onans require having the heads pulled off for carbon deposit removal. It's required after so many hours of operation. I don't remember that number of hours right now. So to keep your Onan operating properly. It's a very simple task to do. Anyone can do it. And I mean anyone. Bob Dunahugh Member GMCMI
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Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327456 is a reply to message #327452] Sun, 24 December 2017 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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We now have a Catalitic converter with muffler.
Our original Onan emits smell from hydrocarbon that you can notice, this
CAT cuts it down 98%

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 9:38 AM Bob Dunahugh wrote:

> Engines that run at a very constant rpms have carbon build up issues. This
> is due to their never changing combustion chamber turbulence patterns.
> Engines that have ever changing rpm ranges don't develop these issues.
> This is the reason that our Onans require having the heads pulled off for
> carbon deposit removal. It's required after so many hours of operation. I
> don't remember that number of hours right now. So to keep your Onan
> operating properly. It's a very simple task to do. Anyone can do it. And
> I mean anyone. Bob Dunahugh Member GMCMI
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Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327457 is a reply to message #327452] Sun, 24 December 2017 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Stragand is currently offline  Dave Stragand   United States
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Has anyone ever looked into SeaFoam spray for the Onan for carbon removal? I have personally seen it work wonders in a variety of engines large and small.

> On Dec 24, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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> Engines that run at a very constant rpms have carbon build up issues. This is due to their never changing combustion chamber turbulence patterns. Engines that have ever changing rpm ranges don't develop these issues. This is the reason that our Onans require having the heads pulled off for carbon deposit removal. It's required after so many hours of operation. I don't remember that number of hours right now. So to keep your Onan operating properly. It's a very simple task to do. Anyone can do it. And I mean anyone. Bob Dunahugh Member GMCMI
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Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327459 is a reply to message #327457] Sun, 24 December 2017 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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Years ago, didn't they spray water down the carb to rid of carbon buildup?
Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327460 is a reply to message #327457] Sun, 24 December 2017 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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Water injection...
No myth, was common practice. Steam has nothing to do with it. Water injection was used to prevent Detonation at high RPM before all this computer controlled ignition stuff came along. Had side effect of cleaner combustion chambers i guess..i never played with it but know its design purpose. We always used ATF ( Automatic Transmission Fluid). Was common practice when engines had carburetors. Oil is not compressible (neither is water but will rust things). The idea was to introduce fluid into the combustion chamber and knock off the carbon deposit build up. The oil would burn off and foul the spark plug but it was being replaced anyway so did not matter. This helped a lot with the cars owned by the little old ladies who never got the engine to full operating temperature going to the local grocery. Those engines were a mess to rebuild. The intake manifold heat risers were always clogged up with carbon. Anyone who has done this knows carbon requires a hammer and chisel to remove. When you use ATF at high idle speed you are essentially beating he-- out of the carbon deposits and everything else in the combustion chamber.

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/decarbonizing-an-engine-with-water-myth-or-fact.793344/
Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327461 is a reply to message #327459] Sun, 24 December 2017 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Back in the 60's when we had a piston knock so we would carefully sprinkle
water at mild rpm and it would clear it up.

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> Years ago, didn't they spray water down the carb to rid of carbon buildup?
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Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327462 is a reply to message #327452] Sun, 24 December 2017 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Haven't you guys heard of the "Second gear tune-up" Onto the nearest
freeway on ramp, stuff it into second, stand on it, get off the freeway at
the next exit, over the overpass and back onto the freeway, head back to
the shop, shift into top and loaf it back to the shop. Kill it or cure it,
I am told.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Dec 24, 2017 2:30 PM, "Jim Kanomata" wrote:

Back in the 60's when we had a piston knock so we would carefully sprinkle
water at mild rpm and it would clear it up.

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 2:12 PM David H. Jarvis wrote:

> Years ago, didn't they spray water down the carb to rid of carbon buildup?
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Re: [GMCnet] spark aresters [message #327466 is a reply to message #327452] Sun, 24 December 2017 20:02 Go to previous message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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I don't disagree that water, or other liquids could clean some carbon off pistons in a car, or truck engine. Personally before I did anything by pouring liquids in. I'd first put an inspection camera in the spark plug hole to assess the situation. If so inclined. Do the dump of whatever. Then pull a few plugs to evaluate what happened. With generators. I've seen carbon build up that you could measure with a ruler. Many times it's in piles between the valves. I wouldn't like to think were those could end up. My inspection camera is a very important tool in my tool box. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale Iowa


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Engines that run at a very constant rpms have carbon build up issues. This is due to their never changing combustion chamber turbulence patterns. Engines that have ever changing rpm ranges don't develop these issues. This is the reason that our Onans require having the heads pulled off for carbon deposit removal. It's required after so many hours of operation. I don't remember that number of hours right now. So to keep your Onan operating properly. It's a very simple task to do. Anyone can do it. And I mean anyone. Bob Dunahugh Member GMCMI
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