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[GMCnet] Wheel alignment tools [message #324697] Sun, 08 October 2017 09:37 Go to next message
glwgmc is currently offline  glwgmc   United States
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Hi Les and others,

That standoff and alignment tool (or any of the bubble level tools of a similar design) will work just fine on a level surface if the standoffs don't flex too much. If the coach is on a pad that is not level you need to find a way to establish level relative to the pad. With those standoffs you can also use an inexpensive cube digital angle finder instead of the more expensive bubble level contraption as it has an ability to zero to the pad built in and is more accurate than your eyeballs trying to read a bubble level.

The most important thing for a gmc is to get all six wheels frame parallel before you do anything else. While that can be done with strings and such, it is much easier to do with a laser and target that indexes to the frame. Simply fit a laser torpedo level so it will magnetically attach to the standoff on the same center surface where the bubble level attaches. Place your target (anything the laser can see that will reach under and touch the frame for reference) and note where the laser hits when the target is close to the wheel being checked and when the target is as far away from that wheel as you can get and still reference the frame. Adjust the wheel until the laser hits the target in the same place and that wheel will be frame parallel. When all six wheels are frame parallel then you can set camber caster and toe as you wish.

I found most Gmc's with radial ply tires will drive well with as much caster as you can get and be the same on both sides. For most stock Gmc front ends that will be around 2 degrees. With offset bushing on the rear of the upper A arms, around 3-4 degrees. With the one ton front end or modified upper control arms maybe a bit more but do not exceed 4-5 degrees or you risk over stressing the front end during low speed turns.

Front caster should be as close to zero as you can get and be the same on both sides. I also found zero toe to be good for most Gmc's. If your front end is a bit loose, some will recommend dialing in some toe to compensate for the tendency of the wheels to flair on a front wheel drive vehicle under acceleration.

On the rear four tires adjust to about 1 degree tire top in camber with the wheels frame parallel.

Reach those objectives and your gmc will drive one finger on the wheel. Center the steering box before you do the rest and it will drive even better. As Alex F. has shown there are a bunch of ways the sliding element, u joint and lower mount can go together and only one is correct to properly center the steering box. If you don't know how to do that, then put the two front wheels on plastic bags (to reduce the turning friction), turn the steering wheel all the way to one side, then count the turns required to turn all the way to the other side and turn the wheel back half that number of turns to find something approaching a centered steering box.

If your front end components are old, worn and loose all bets are off when it comes to alignment.

Jerry

Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 11:22:59 -0400
From: Les Burt
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Some may find the following tools of interest now that Gerry Work is no-longer producing his alignment kit.

https://www.ecstuning.com/News/Schwaben_Professional_Magnetic_Camber_Caster_gauge_13159


Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Wheel alignment tools [message #324698 is a reply to message #324697] Sun, 08 October 2017 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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Jerry

Paragraph 4, second word - should that be camber?

Dennis

glwgmc wrote on Sun, 08 October 2017 09:37
Hi Les and others,

That standoff and alignment tool (or any of the bubble level tools of a similar design) will work just fine on a level surface if the standoffs don't flex too much. If the coach is on a pad that is not level you need to find a way to establish level relative to the pad. With those standoffs you can also use an inexpensive cube digital angle finder instead of the more expensive bubble level contraption as it has an ability to zero to the pad built in and is more accurate than your eyeballs trying to read a bubble level.

The most important thing for a gmc is to get all six wheels frame parallel before you do anything else. While that can be done with strings and such, it is much easier to do with a laser and target that indexes to the frame. Simply fit a laser torpedo level so it will magnetically attach to the standoff on the same center surface where the bubble level attaches. Place your target (anything the laser can see that will reach under and touch the frame for reference) and note where the laser hits when the target is close to the wheel being checked and when the target is as far away from that wheel as you can get and still reference the frame. Adjust the wheel until the laser hits the target in the same place and that wheel will be frame parallel. When all six wheels are frame parallel then you can set camber caster and toe as you wish.

I found most Gmc's with radial ply tires will drive well with as much caster as you can get and be the same on both sides. For most stock Gmc front ends that will be around 2 degrees. With offset bushing on the rear of the upper A arms, around 3-4 degrees. With the one ton front end or modified upper control arms maybe a bit more but do not exceed 4-5 degrees or you risk over stressing the front end during low speed turns.

Front caster should be as close to zero as you can get and be the same on both sides. I also found zero toe to be good for most Gmc's. If your front end is a bit loose, some will recommend dialing in some toe to compensate for the tendency of the wheels to flair on a front wheel drive vehicle under acceleration.

On the rear four tires adjust to about 1 degree tire top in camber with the wheels frame parallel.

Reach those objectives and your gmc will drive one finger on the wheel. Center the steering box before you do the rest and it will drive even better. As Alex F. has shown there are a bunch of ways the sliding element, u joint and lower mount can go together and only one is correct to properly center the steering box. If you don't know how to do that, then put the two front wheels on plastic bags (to reduce the turning friction), turn the steering wheel all the way to one side, then count the turns required to turn all the way to the other side and turn the wheel back half that number of turns to find something approaching a centered steering box.

If your front end components are old, worn and loose all bets are off when it comes to alignment.

Jerry

Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
http://jerrywork.com
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 11:22:59 -0400
From: Les Burt
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Some may find the following tools of interest now that Gerry Work is no-longer producing his alignment kit.

https://www.ecstuning.com/News/Schwaben_Professional_Magnetic_Camber_Caster_gauge_13159


Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Wheel alignment tools [message #324705 is a reply to message #324697] Sun, 08 October 2017 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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While less versatile than Jerry's jigs, those shown here are very easy to
make and provide unexcelled accuracy if carefully assembled:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5634-wheel-alignment-jigs.html

Those were made from 3/4" square steel tubing which turned out to be too
narrow for the magnetic base on most laser levels; I replaced them with 1"
tubing versions.

As Jerry noted, getting all 6 wheels parallel with the frame extremely
important on the GMC; the ordinary caster-camber attachments are of no
value for that; Jerry's and my versions make it simple (this tabular
version gives the same instructions as Jerry's text):

1. Position the laser horizontal on the mounted jig.

2. Set a target against the frame near the front of the side rails and
mark where the laser dot strikes.

3. Move to the rear of the side rail and adjust the tie rod on the current
side to move the dot to the mark.

4. Repeat 2. & 3. until there's no need for adjustment at 3. -- usually
only a couple of iterations.

5. Move to the other side of the coach and go to Step1.

Toe should now be 0". To verify and/or set off from that by maybe 1/16 toe
out, Secure a STRAIGHT 60" long square aluminum tube to the horizontal bar
on each side, then CAREFULLY measure between the ends. If the measurement
at the front of the tubes is 1/8" greater than that at the rear, the toe is
1/16" out. EASY!


Setting camber and caster are about as easy; basically follow Jerry's
instructions -- available at www.http://jerrywork.com

Ken H.


On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Gerald Work wrote:

> Hi Les and others,
>
> That standoff and alignment tool (or any of the bubble level tools of a
> similar design) will work just fine on a level surface if the standoffs
> don't flex too much. If the coach is on a pad that is not level you need
> to find a way to establish level relative to the pad. With those standoffs
> you can also use an inexpensive cube digital angle finder instead of the
> more expensive bubble level contraption as it has an ability to zero to the
> pad built in and is more accurate than your eyeballs trying to read a
> bubble level.
>
> The most important thing for a gmc is to get all six wheels frame parallel
> before you do anything else. While that can be done with strings and such,
> it is much easier to do with a laser and target that indexes to the frame.
> ​
>
...
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Wheel alignment tools [message #324726 is a reply to message #324697] Sun, 08 October 2017 20:02 Go to previous message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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Dennis I agree. Jerry said Zero so must be Camber. I have his now discontinued jig and works great.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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