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kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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I think my CV boot blew out; I noticed a ring of grease in the passenger wheel well; looked in and see this. I drove home (200 miles). Is this the boot only?
Remove wheel; replace boot, fill with grease?

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/FullSizeRender1.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/FullSizeRender2.jpg


Thank you, more dumb questions to follow

-kelly


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Re: [GMCnet] is this my cv boot? [message #323652 is a reply to message #323649] Sat, 09 September 2017 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kingsley Coach is currently offline  Kingsley Coach   United States
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Remove wheel, remove axle, replace boot having filled it with grease, clamp
tight with metal clamps, replace axle, replace wheel.....torque
everything. Now did you really think it was going to be a simple job??


Mike in NS

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:15 PM, kelly stockwell wrote:

> I think my CV boot blew out; I noticed a ring of grease in the passenger
> wheel well; looked in and see this. I drove home (200 miles). Is this the
> boot only?
> Remove wheel; replace boot, fill with grease?
>
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> Thank you, more dumb questions to follow
>
> -kelly
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Re: [GMCnet] is this my cv boot? [message #323653 is a reply to message #323652] Sat, 09 September 2017 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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No I did not!
But it sounds straightforward at least.


Kingsley Coach wrote on Sat, 09 September 2017 15:14
Remove wheel, remove axle, replace boot having filled it with grease, clamp
tight with metal clamps, replace axle, replace wheel.....torque
everything. Now did you really think it was going to be a simple job??


Mike in NS

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:15 PM, kelly stockwell wrote:

> I think my CV boot blew out; I noticed a ring of grease in the passenger
> wheel well; looked in and see this. I drove home (200 miles). Is this the
> boot only?
> Remove wheel; replace boot, fill with grease?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you, more dumb questions to follow
>
> -kelly
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> Putney VT
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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323655 is a reply to message #323649] Sat, 09 September 2017 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Having done outer CVs on other Front wheel drive vehicles, I think I'm
about to complicate the process.
Unless the poster asking the question is going to use a "split" boot that
bolts together, does he not have to remove the outer stub axle to install
the new boot ?
Also, I didnt think the procedure was to fill the new boot with grease.
The grease is supposed to end up in the actual CV joint not in the boot, although
some will go these, Depending on the condition of the old grease and how old it is should
not the old grease be flushed from the joint ? To the people who do this all the time eg Jim Hupy
and others, should the CV be taken apart to clean it?
Also I believe to complicate matter, I believe correct new shafts are NOT available but I think
properlyREBUILT shafts are available from some of the GMCMH suppliers eg COOP, Applied, etc.
If youve never rebuild a CV axle and don't have access to a shop you would trust, I would suggest you
get a rebuilt shaft. You will also next six each of the correct bolts for the inner end.
Not to restart the debate but if the inner bolts are torqued to the 'gm specified torque the
bolts are "supposed" to be one time use. Lots of GMCers may be on there way to the convention
in Elkhart Indiana



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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323657 is a reply to message #323655] Sat, 09 September 2017 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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This process was well documented and there are more notes/suggestions/tips on http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html . I don't have the torque device to tighten the bands. I can buy the refurbished assembly from Applied GMC or just the boot (I'm assuming from photos I have the right parts)

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3539-cv-joint-boots.html

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/663
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1831

Or I can find someone who can work on it locally. So far I've not gotten warm and fuzzy feelings from anyone I've asked.
I do know the front end was worked in, plenty of parts replaced, and the bearings were all repacked in 2014 at Cinnabar.


This may well be outside my ability
-kelly


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Re: [GMCnet] is this my cv boot? [message #323658 is a reply to message #323652] Sat, 09 September 2017 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Simplest way would be to replace entire axle assy. Some coaches are as
simple as turning the steering full lock, removing the 6 ea 12 point bolts
on the flange, shoving the axle up towards the radiator far enough to allow
the splines on the axle to clear the knuckle. Then, withdraw the axle.
Other coaches, not so easy. Remove the shock, unbolt the upper control arm
fasteners, lower the whole shebang to obtain clearance, remove the axle and
replace. That's for the drivers side. Passenger side, remove the oil filter
too.
Jim Hupy

On Sep 9, 2017 1:21 PM, "Dave King" wrote:

Having done outer CVs on other Front wheel drive vehicles, I think I'm
about to complicate the process.
Unless the poster asking the question is going to use a "split" boot that
bolts together, does he not have to remove the outer stub axle to install
the new boot ?
Also, I didnt think the procedure was to fill the new boot with grease.
The grease is supposed to end up in the actual CV joint not in the boot,
although
some will go these, Depending on the condition of the old grease and how
old it is should
not the old grease be flushed from the joint ? To the people who do this
all the time eg Jim Hupy
and others, should the CV be taken apart to clean it?
Also I believe to complicate matter, I believe correct new shafts are NOT
available but I think
properlyREBUILT shafts are available from some of the GMCMH suppliers eg
COOP, Applied, etc.
If youve never rebuild a CV axle and don't have access to a shop you would
trust, I would suggest you
get a rebuilt shaft. You will also next six each of the correct bolts for
the inner end.
Not to restart the debate but if the inner bolts are torqued to the 'gm
specified torque the
bolts are "supposed" to be one time use. Lots of GMCers may be on there way
to the convention
in Elkart Indiana


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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323659 is a reply to message #323649] Sat, 09 September 2017 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You only need to replace the actually cv if it's bad or pitted. But it would need to be removed from the shaft and cleaned and inspected to tell. It's not a bad job to replace the boot. But it's greasy. You need to get the wheel off the ground and you need a big arse torque wrench and big breaker bar to loosen the nut on the outer end of the cv. Like 3/4 inch drive size and probably a 6 foot cheater pipe on the end of that.

Some have had success with using the split boot. That saves a ton of time and work. And you don't really need to remove much

Use the grease pack that comes with the new boot. Pack it in the cv joint. Not the boot itself. The clamp it up.

The band clamping tool is only a few bucks but you do need it.


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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323660 is a reply to message #323659] Sat, 09 September 2017 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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I saw the Speedi Boot

is that a good idea? How long would it be good for?

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1832



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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323661 is a reply to message #323649] Sat, 09 September 2017 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I did both outers on my coach when I got it. Not a hard job, but dirty.

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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323662 is a reply to message #323660] Sat, 09 September 2017 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kstockwell wrote on Sat, 09 September 2017 16:56
I saw the Speedi Boot is that a good idea? How long would it be good for?

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1832

Kelly,

First question - do you have any idea how long that boot has been run damaged?
If you put a finger in the crack and it comes back with lots of grease on it, a split boot may be a good "Temporary" repair.

We have a local owner that has two of them in service and the older one is probably 3 years a 5,000 miles. That one has served well.

These are a classic case of a 220$ job. 20$ for parts, the rest is labor.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] is this my cv boot? [message #323663 is a reply to message #323660] Sat, 09 September 2017 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some use them with good success. Others have encountered interference with
the upper ball joint stud and nut. Like I said, some coaches are not any
problems, but, some others, ohhhh mama.
Jim Hupy

On Sep 9, 2017 1:56 PM, "kelly stockwell" wrote:

> I saw the Speedi Boot
>
> is that a good idea? How long would it be good for?
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1832
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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323664 is a reply to message #323662] Sat, 09 September 2017 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it went on the way to Maine (200 miles) and then I drove home. I was under there before the trip and there was no grease splattered before my trip. It's a new development I saw in Maine, i noticed the wheel well had a grease spray pattern in it. The grease is not dirty yet around the joint/boot.
I haven't put my finger in it, but it looks really goopy. It may be worth trying out the temporary solution.




Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 09 September 2017 17:08
kstockwell wrote on Sat, 09 September 2017 16:56
I saw the Speedi Boot is that a good idea? How long would it be good for?

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1832

Kelly,

First question - do you have any idea how long that boot has been run damaged?
If you put a finger in the crack and it comes back with lots of grease on it, a split boot may be a good "Temporary" repair.

We have a local owner that has two of them in service and the older one is probably 3 years a 5,000 miles. That one has served well.

These are a classic case of a 220$ job. 20$ for parts, the rest is labor.

Matt


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Re: is this my cv boot? [message #323672 is a reply to message #323664] Sat, 09 September 2017 18:58 Go to previous message
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Good on you for taking a good visual inspection of everything PRE Trip. That way you know when something has changed.



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