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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323624 is a reply to message #323612] Sat, 09 September 2017 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Les Burt[1] is currently offline  Les Burt[1]   United States
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I believe that each toll service provider should have posted regulations defining how the # of axles is determined for purposes of calculating toll fees.

Up here in Québec, I recall reading one of the local toll road regulations where axle count is determined by the number of times a light beam is tripped.

Vehicle height is another variable that is often used here in Quebec to further determine toll fees.

A car pulling a single axle utility trailer (total of 3 axles) will pay less than a TZE due to height differences. A full size van exceeding 6ft in height pulling the same trailer will pay the same as a TZE.

Here in Quebec, the toll roads are all privately owned and operated. They all use transponders. Vehicles without the required transponder are photographed and an invoice sent to the vehicle owner. The fee for those vehicles is typically ~3 times more than regular transponder fees. The reasoning is that it requires "human" intervention to process the paperwork.


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> On Sep 8, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Bruce Hislop wrote:
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> Just make a custom 50's style fender skirt to cover one of the rear wheels... ta..Daaa! 2 axles!
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323628 is a reply to message #323624] Sat, 09 September 2017 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Some toll roads and bridges are owned by the government, and some by
privately held FOR PROFIT companies. Nuff said.
Jim Hupy

On Sep 9, 2017 4:18 AM, "Les Burt" wrote:

> I believe that each toll service provider should have posted regulations
> defining how the # of axles is determined for purposes of calculating toll
> fees.
>
> Up here in Québec, I recall reading one of the local toll road regulations
> where axle count is determined by the number of times a light beam is
> tripped.
>
> Vehicle height is another variable that is often used here in Quebec to
> further determine toll fees.
>
> A car pulling a single axle utility trailer (total of 3 axles) will pay
> less than a TZE due to height differences. A full size van exceeding 6ft in
> height pulling the same trailer will pay the same as a TZE.
>
> Here in Quebec, the toll roads are all privately owned and operated. They
> all use transponders. Vehicles without the required transponder are
> photographed and an invoice sent to the vehicle owner. The fee for those
> vehicles is typically ~3 times more than regular transponder fees. The
> reasoning is that it requires "human" intervention to process the paperwork.
>
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
>
>
>> On Sep 8, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Bruce Hislop wrote:
>>
>> Just make a custom 50's style fender skirt to cover one of the rear
> wheels... ta..Daaa! 2 axles!
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop
>> ON Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
>> Hubler 1 ton front end
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>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323630 is a reply to message #323628] Sat, 09 September 2017 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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Wonder what the toll will be when someone shows up with a hovercraft? Laughing No wheels..no axles..variable height, and they get the road cleaned Smile

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323632 is a reply to message #323628] Sat, 09 September 2017 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Denney is currently offline  Richard Denney   United States
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But they are all regulated. Few are actually privately owned, and many are
publicly owned and leased to private concessionaires for operation.

Also, I'd be surprised if there was much correlation between toll fairness
(from our perspective) and ownership status.

Rick "who has seen both sides of that equation" Denney


On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:18 AM James Hupy wrote:

> Some toll roads and bridges are owned by the government, and some by
> privately held FOR PROFIT companies. Nuff said.
> Jim Hupy
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323634 is a reply to message #323632] Sat, 09 September 2017 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Regardless of how much we (especially ME) hate them, we might as well get
used to them; they're probably going to become MUCH more common. That will
be just one impact of growing electric vehicle popularity. The lost
gasoline taxes will have to be made up in some way. But don't think that
conversion will result in lower gasoline taxes. Quite the opposite,
probably, when the politicians' propensity for deviously controlling our
actions, such as by lncreasing those taxes to promote "clean energy"
alternatives.

JMHO,

Ken H.


On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Richard Denney wrote:

> But they are all regulated. Few are actually privately owned, and many are
> publicly owned and leased to private concessionaires for operation.
>
> Also, I'd be surprised if there was much correlation between toll fairness
> (from our perspective) and ownership status.
>
> Rick "who has seen both sides of that equation" Denney
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:18 AM James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Some toll roads and bridges are owned by the government, and some by
>> privately held FOR PROFIT companies. Nuff said.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323635 is a reply to message #323632] Sat, 09 September 2017 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Hmmmm? How many ex Governors of Illinois have been in the past or are
currently making license plates? Heck, even "squeaky clean" Oregon governor
Kitzhaber and the first hussy, got both a state and federal investigation
after resigning just after being elected. Clean and politics? Anyway, sure
glad there are no toll roads in Oregon to drive my GMC on. There are a few
ferry boats across rivers here, normally run by counties, that charge
tolls. They are kind of fun for a change of pace.
Jim Hupy

On Sep 9, 2017 7:56 AM, "Richard Denney" wrote:

> But they are all regulated. Few are actually privately owned, and many are
> publicly owned and leased to private concessionaires for operation.
>
> Also, I'd be surprised if there was much correlation between toll fairness
> (from our perspective) and ownership status.
>
> Rick "who has seen both sides of that equation" Denney
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:18 AM James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Some toll roads and bridges are owned by the government, and some by
>> privately held FOR PROFIT companies. Nuff said.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323636 is a reply to message #323635] Sat, 09 September 2017 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Denney is currently offline  Richard Denney   United States
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I bet those governors are outnumbered by the contractors with whom they
"collaborated". Sin abounds.

I have stories. But adult beverages are required, and some campfire with no
ears.

Rick "suspecting that pay-per-mile is coming IN ADDITION to tolls" Denney

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:14 AM James Hupy wrote:

> Hmmmm? How many ex Governors of Illinois have been in the past or are
> currently making license plates? Heck, even "squeaky clean" Oregon governor
> Kitzhaber and the first hussy, got both a state and federal investigation
> after resigning just after being elected. Clean and politics? Anyway, sure
> glad there are no toll roads in Oregon to drive my GMC on. There are a few
> ferry boats across rivers here, normally run by counties, that charge
> tolls. They are kind of fun for a change of pace.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Sep 9, 2017 7:56 AM, "Richard Denney" wrote:
>
>> But they are all regulated. Few are actually privately owned, and many
> are
>> publicly owned and leased to private concessionaires for operation.
>>
>> Also, I'd be surprised if there was much correlation between toll
> fairness
>> (from our perspective) and ownership status.
>>
>> Rick "who has seen both sides of that equation" Denney
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:18 AM James Hupy wrote:
>>
>>> Some toll roads and bridges are owned by the government, and some by
>>> privately held FOR PROFIT companies. Nuff said.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323641 is a reply to message #323548] Sat, 09 September 2017 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Johnny Bridges is currently offline  Johnny Bridges   United States
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The guy with the hovercraft simply runs down the bank, across the lake, and up the other side. Thumbing his nose at the tool booth overhead.
For those who're worried, the cognoscenti among crooks around here put a cardboard dealer's 'drive out' tag on the <stolen> getaway car.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323665 is a reply to message #323590] Sat, 09 September 2017 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sandra Price is currently offline  Sandra Price   United States
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Bob and were charged/paid $40 to cross the George Washington Bridge going
north out of NYC/Brooklyn...

Sandra

On Sep 8, 2017 12:50 PM, "Emery Stora" wrote:

> Well I hope it was a joke but you never know. I recall another GMCer once
> posting that he bought his batteries at Walmart and just before the 3 year
> free replacement was up he would bring them back and say they were bad so
> that he got a fresh one for free.
> He said that he had been doing that for many years.
> He even warned that you should find a Walmart without an auto shop so that
> they could not test it. I know that that posting was not a joke.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Keith V wrote:
>>
>> Oh Sheesh he's joking.
>>
>> FWIW we missed a toll going to Chicago due to construction craziness.
> They always say just run them and they will bill you so ok NP.
>>
>> 2 months later, no bill.
>>
>> Wife called them and tried really hard to pay it, but they needed to
> know the date, time and which toll booth is happened at.
>>
>> Right... sure, we only know approximate time. they couldn't search by
> license number either.
>>
>> It was Father in laws car, and hes gone now. Problem solved :P
>>
>>
>> Keith Vasilakes
>>
>> Mounds View, MN
>>
>> 1975 ex-Royale.
>>
>> Microlevel Ride height controller
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>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco
>>
>> Sorry, but I am shocked that you would even think of doing that let
> alone posting it to the GMC net.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist gmclist-AT-list-DOT-gmcnet-DOT-org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got to thinking. I wonder how long it takes the tag recognition
> software to run. A bit of tape would turn 3s to 8s, and a couple of other
> tricks
>>> and they would bill someone else. And, while the tag photo shows a bit
> of the car, the average toll worker has no idea what GMC is anyway. Modify
>>> the tag, drive on, and remove the tape at the next rest stop.
>>>
>>> --johnny
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>>> Braselton, Ga.
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> me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323748 is a reply to message #323665] Mon, 11 September 2017 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

I reckon tolls should be added to the two inevitables of life; death and taxes. ;-)

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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323750 is a reply to message #323748] Mon, 11 September 2017 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Denney is currently offline  Richard Denney   United States
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Rob, they already had that. A few years ago, if you used TurboTax to do
your US taxes, you had to pay extra to submit it electronically (you still
do for some state income tax returns). That's what I would call a toll--a
fee to get from here to there more quickly and conveniently.

And the transportation tolls to move your mortal remains to their final
resting place may be nearly as expensive as an ambulance ride.

Rick "the problem is, of course, it's too expensive to build roads, and to
spend decades fighting those who oppose them" Denney

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Rob Mueller
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> G'day,
>
> I reckon tolls should be added to the two inevitables of life; death and
> taxes. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323754 is a reply to message #323750] Mon, 11 September 2017 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Rick,

Good point!

Remind me to tell you about the toll roads they're building in Sydney at Elkhart and how the NSW state government is funding them
and what they say to the public.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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Rob, they already had that. A few years ago, if you used TurboTax to do
your US taxes, you had to pay extra to submit it electronically (you still
do for some state income tax returns). That's what I would call a toll--a
fee to get from here to there more quickly and conveniently.

And the transportation tolls to move your mortal remains to their final
resting place may be nearly as expensive as an ambulance ride.

Rick "the problem is, of course, it's too expensive to build roads, and to
spend decades fighting those who oppose them" Denney

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I reckon tolls should be added to the two inevitables of life; death and
> taxes. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323757 is a reply to message #323548] Mon, 11 September 2017 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rick, move to Georgia. Perfectly legal to bury someone (assuming they're dead) in the back yard. You are supposed to notify the authorities, so they know there's a grave there, and get a death certificate.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323758 is a reply to message #323757] Mon, 11 September 2017 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Or New York City, lots of bodies wind up in the East River. ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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Rick, move to Georgia. Perfectly legal to bury someone (assuming they're dead) in the back yard. You are supposed to notify the
authorities, so they know there's a grave there, and get a death certificate.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323836 is a reply to message #323758] Wed, 13 September 2017 10:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Final analyst. "It's all about the Benjamin's" Politicians and their co-hearts in crime fleecing the public to line their pockets. Offer to name a highway, bridge, etc after them, and they will build it.
Tom, MS II


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Re: [GMCnet] Fasttrack Toll San Francisco [message #323838 is a reply to message #323836] Wed, 13 September 2017 11:00 Go to previous message
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It's all about the Benjamin's on my side too!

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Final analyst. "It's all about the Benjamin's" Politicians and their co-hearts in crime fleecing the public to line their pockets. Offer to name a
highway, bridge, etc after them, and they will build it.
Tom, MS II
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