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Re: First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #324321 is a reply to message #323103] Sun, 24 September 2017 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron   United States
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I finished updating my electrical just before going to Elkhart.

At Elkhart I ended up sharing a space and I could only plug into the 20 amp GFI protected outlet for shore power because I didn't have a big enough extension cord to go to the 30 amp plug. The GFI didn't trip, and I was able to run the PD9260 and one AC and that's all I needed for my Royale. Smile


I pretty much went with my original proposal - the only difference is that I left the rear AC on a breaker with no way to plug it into it's own outlet. I just have to remember to only turn on one AC when I'm plugged into shore power for now, but I can turn on either the front or the back. I went in with a 50amp transfer switch, so if I want to upgrade 50amp shore power sometime, I will just change my power chord and a couple of breakers.


Took out about 45lbs worth of stuff, replaced it with 15.


http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/my-78-royale-110v-house-wiring/p63688-old-electrical-components.html


Consolidated my all my electrical into one location.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/my-78-royale-110v-house-wiring/p63691-electrical.html


Aaron



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Re: First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #324325 is a reply to message #323103] Sun, 24 September 2017 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott Nutter is currently offline  Scott Nutter   United States
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And once again, mine is exactly like "thesmith's" either plug the 50 amp cord into the APU female receptacle or shore power.
I have no idea if this was stock or a PO upgrade. But with a 3 prong 110 AC adapter and cord it still blows GFI's.


Scott Nutter 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI Houston, Texas
Re: [GMCnet] First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #324326 is a reply to message #324325] Sun, 24 September 2017 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dan molnes is currently offline  dan molnes   United States
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So does mine I think it's a problem with an open ground or neutral wire I just plug it into a regular outlet

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> And once again, mine is exactly like "thesmith's" either plug the 50 amp cord into the APU female receptacle or shore power.
> I have no idea if this was stock or a PO upgrade. But with a 3 prong 110 AC adapter and cord it still blows GFI's.
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Re: First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #324337 is a reply to message #324325] Mon, 25 September 2017 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron   United States
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Scott,

In that case, you just have to get methodical and run it down. It should be one of 3 things

1) ground and neutral wires connected to the same bus in the breaker box
2) incorrect wiring on one or more circuits that shorts the ground and neutral wire
3) a bad spot in the wiring where insulation has become exposed and the neutral wire is ground to the frame

There is a short write up in GMC Motorhome information, under "chassis electrical" "GFI testing."

http://gmcmotorhome.info/chassis.html#GFI

If you're familiar with using a multimeter to test for resistance and some basic wiring, than it's not too hard, if not, a good electrician should be able to run through the process quickly, and correct the *common* problems almost as quickly.




Scott Nutter wrote on Sun, 24 September 2017 21:18
And once again, mine is exactly like "thesmith's" either plug the 50 amp cord into the APU female receptacle or shore power.
I have no idea if this was stock or a PO upgrade. But with a 3 prong 110 AC adapter and cord it still blows GFI's.


78 Royale, rear dinette
Re: First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #324372 is a reply to message #323103] Tue, 26 September 2017 00:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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When I first tried to plug mine into correctly wired 220V socket it produced very loud hum from the "buzzbox" converter, loud enough to hear outside and make me unplug it immediately. After much testing and tracing and disassembling, I found the white wire on the water heater also had the ground attached there by the crew that replaced it in the GMC's previous life. Fortunately, it was a good learning experience in 1973 GMC ac wiring and that knowledge has prevented me from creating certain circuits that would conflict with the generator wiring.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
Re: First Post - Wiring 78 Royals Neutral Ground short trips GFI [message #324386 is a reply to message #323103] Tue, 26 September 2017 08:48 Go to previous message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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My 23' had a Junkerac genset and a wall - type switch to change from shore to genset. When it failed, I put a 50 Amp relay in which the genset pulled to go to generator power. The 26' is GMC all the way through. I've seen no need to change it to a transfer switch, the genset plug is where I store the shore power cable plug anyway.

--jophnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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