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| [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323026] |
Wed, 30 August 2017 21:26  |
Olly Schmidt
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We are unsuccessfully trying to reconnected the fuel line (from fuel
pump to carb) back into the carb. It just doesn't screw in.
Is there a trick on how to do this?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323028 is a reply to message #323026] |
Wed, 30 August 2017 21:45  |
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Alignment is critical on these fittings. They MUST start in the threads by hand/fingers or they will crossthread and strip. If you can make the other end of the line free to move then it will be so much easier to get the one you're working on started. Try loosening the nut on the other end of the line to get some freedom of movement, but don't remove the line from the other end. These things always get me on steering racks, but I rarely have a hard time on the carbs.
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Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323032 is a reply to message #323028] |
Wed, 30 August 2017 21:50 |
Olly Schmidt
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Terry,
thanks for the idea. The full story here is:
The 23 footer's fuel line from pump to carb had some Previous Owner
amendment which needed to be removed because fuel was spraying out.
Removal worked, however the new line didn't come on time. Now the idea
of my buddy was, to remove the fuel line from the 26' and put it into
the 23' - however, the fuel line doesn't want to get loose on the fuel
pump side. In the meantime we butchered up a temp fix for the fuel line
in the 23' and now will use the original 23' fuel line back in the 23',
but the 26' fuel line needs to be reconnected to the carb.
This so sucks, as I have to be in Baltimore with the 23' by Friday
midday to get it shipped to Europe.
If anyone wants to lend a hand, we are currently in Scottsville, VA -
another name for this area is: Middle of nowhere...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323033 is a reply to message #323031] |
Wed, 30 August 2017 22:02 |
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Tighten carefully, the fitting is fine and 'soft.' You can ruin the carb fitting in an instant. Flare wrench is nice, but not necessary.
There is a 'repair' kit available for 'oops.'
Tm, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323034 is a reply to message #323033] |
Wed, 30 August 2017 22:12 |
Olly Schmidt
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Well, my buddy had success, and the fuel line is back in - at the cost
of an old brittle T-piece connecting three small vacuum lines. We will
get a replacement in the morning, and report back about the success of
the operation.
Maybe anyone know about the OD and ID of these small vacuum hose T-piece
connectors?!
Thank you all for your hints!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323037 is a reply to message #323035] |
Wed, 30 August 2017 23:03 |
Olly Schmidt
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Ken Burton schrieb/wrote
> If the torque value bothers you, use a torque wrench. It does not need to be very tight. DO NOT OVER
> TIGHTEN.
thanks for the info. I'll keep it in mind, although a nice torque wrench
has been on my list for a long time :grin:
For now, it looks okay. The morning will tell how good or bad the
tightening of the fuel line went. Wish us luck.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323038 is a reply to message #323035] |
Thu, 31 August 2017 00:06 |
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Terry,
These simple techniques can save lot of time and screwups.
Your suggestion should be heeded by lot.
I respect you for attaining your Master Tech ASE Certification. I just have
the Engine Tech ASE Certification.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
> That is the way I have done it for years. If the torque value bothers
> you, use a torque wrench. It does not need to be very tight. DO NOT OVER
> TIGHTEN.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323041 is a reply to message #323037] |
Thu, 31 August 2017 02:46 |
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Is there a safe way to get a fuel pressure gauge taped into this line?
Is there a better way to get fuel pressure?
Does anyone have an electric fuel pressure gauge solution?
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Peer Oliver Schmidt
wrote:
> Ken Burton schrieb/wrote
>> If the torque value bothers you, use a torque wrench. It does not need
> to be very tight. DO NOT OVER
>> TIGHTEN.
>
> thanks for the info. I'll keep it in mind, although a nice torque wrench
> has been on my list for a long time :grin:
>
> For now, it looks okay. The morning will tell how good or bad the
> tightening of the fuel line went. Wish us luck.
>
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> Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323076 is a reply to message #323042] |
Thu, 31 August 2017 23:35 |
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Thank you, Ken
Is changing to an EBL/EFI system worth the cost for an average user? Do you
get a significant mileage gain?
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Ken Henderson
wrote:
> After some near-catastrophic failures of mechanical fuel pressure gauges, I
> gave up on them. I now use an electrical sender similar to this:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-transducer-sender-30-
> psi-12V-10-25V-wide-for-oil-fuel-air-water-/262773991582?
> hash=item3d2e8ce89e:g:BEgAAOSwIclZgnvP&vxp=mtr
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> In my case it's connected to the computer on which I monitor the EBL/EFI;
> there are analog and digital gauges available.
>
> Ken H.
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> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:46 AM, John Phillips
> wrote:
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>> Is there a safe way to get a fuel pressure gauge taped into this line?
>> Is there a better way to get fuel pressure?
>> Does anyone have an electric fuel pressure gauge solution?
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323082 is a reply to message #323076] |
Fri, 01 September 2017 00:39 |
jimk
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John,
We sell all types of EFI, but only the Howell based unit with the EBL
system will get you 1-2 mpg and better power . We have the most updated bin
installed so it will do like I say. Some ended up with some other in and we
later had to help them.Plus we have people that can help analyze the unit
should ever have any issues.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:35 PM, John Phillips
wrote:
> Thank you, Ken
> Is changing to an EBL/EFI system worth the cost for an average user? Do you
> get a significant mileage gain?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>
>> After some near-catastrophic failures of mechanical fuel pressure
> gauges, I
>> gave up on them. I now use an electrical sender similar to this:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-transducer-sender-30-
>> psi-12V-10-25V-wide-for-oil-fuel-air-water-/262773991582?
>> hash=item3d2e8ce89e:g:BEgAAOSwIclZgnvP&vxp=mtr
>>
>> In my case it's connected to the computer on which I monitor the EBL/EFI;
>> there are analog and digital gauges available.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:46 AM, John Phillips >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a safe way to get a fuel pressure gauge taped into this line?
>>> Is there a better way to get fuel pressure?
>>> Does anyone have an electric fuel pressure gauge solution?
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323083 is a reply to message #323076] |
Fri, 01 September 2017 01:32 |
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Owning a Gmc is not cost efficient, not no way, not nohow. So, anything
you do to it, automatically joins into that fray. If you want to convert to
fuel injection, do it for reasons OTHER than economic ones. J.M.H.O..
Jim Hupy some where in Austria, aboard a Viking riverboat, having breakfast
with GMC friends.
On Aug 31, 2017 9:36 PM, "John Phillips" wrote:
> Thank you, Ken
> Is changing to an EBL/EFI system worth the cost for an average user? Do you
> get a significant mileage gain?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>
>> After some near-catastrophic failures of mechanical fuel pressure
> gauges, I
>> gave up on them. I now use an electrical sender similar to this:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-transducer-sender-30-
>> psi-12V-10-25V-wide-for-oil-fuel-air-water-/262773991582?
>> hash=item3d2e8ce89e:g:BEgAAOSwIclZgnvP&vxp=mtr
>>
>> In my case it's connected to the computer on which I monitor the EBL/EFI;
>> there are analog and digital gauges available.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:46 AM, John Phillips >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a safe way to get a fuel pressure gauge taped into this line?
>>> Is there a better way to get fuel pressure?
>>> Does anyone have an electric fuel pressure gauge solution?
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323084 is a reply to message #323026] |
Fri, 01 September 2017 01:37 |
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Breakfast Jim? I'm having a couple of beers before hitting the rack. I'm
used to 3-4 hours of time change, but half a day? Haha
Have fun!
Guy Lopes
76 (ish) RB Birchaven
Sacramento, CA
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
Hupy
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:32 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb?
Owning a Gmc is not cost efficient, not no way, not nohow. So, anything you
do to it, automatically joins into that fray. If you want to convert to fuel
injection, do it for reasons OTHER than economic ones. J.M.H.O..
Jim Hupy some where in Austria, aboard a Viking riverboat, having breakfast
with GMC friends.
On Aug 31, 2017 9:36 PM, "John Phillips" wrote:
> Thank you, Ken
> Is changing to an EBL/EFI system worth the cost for an average user?
> Do you get a significant mileage gain?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Ken Henderson
>
> wrote:
>
>> After some near-catastrophic failures of mechanical fuel pressure
> gauges, I
>> gave up on them. I now use an electrical sender similar to this:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-transducer-sender-30-
>> psi-12V-10-25V-wide-for-oil-fuel-air-water-/262773991582?
>> hash=item3d2e8ce89e:g:BEgAAOSwIclZgnvP&vxp=mtr
>>
>> In my case it's connected to the computer on which I monitor the
>> EBL/EFI; there are analog and digital gauges available.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:46 AM, John Phillips
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a safe way to get a fuel pressure gauge taped into this line?
>>> Is there a better way to get fuel pressure?
>>> Does anyone have an electric fuel pressure gauge solution?
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323085 is a reply to message #323084] |
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And I'm about to have dinner on Friday here in Sydney!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Guy Lopes
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 4:38 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb?
Breakfast Jim? I'm having a couple of beers before hitting the rack. I'm
used to 3-4 hours of time change, but half a day? Haha
Have fun!
Guy Lopes
76 (ish) RB Birchaven
Sacramento, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
Hupy
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:32 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb?
Owning a Gmc is not cost efficient, not no way, not nohow. So, anything you
do to it, automatically joins into that fray. If you want to convert to fuel
injection, do it for reasons OTHER than economic ones. J.M.H.O..
Jim Hupy some where in Austria, aboard a Viking riverboat, having breakfast
with GMC friends.
On Aug 31, 2017 9:36 PM, "John Phillips" wrote:
> Thank you, Ken
> Is changing to an EBL/EFI system worth the cost for an average user?
> Do you get a significant mileage gain?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Ken Henderson
>
> wrote:
>
>> After some near-catastrophic failures of mechanical fuel pressure
> gauges, I
>> gave up on them. I now use an electrical sender similar to this:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-transducer-sender-30-
>> psi-12V-10-25V-wide-for-oil-fuel-air-water-/262773991582?
>> hash=item3d2e8ce89e:g:BEgAAOSwIclZgnvP&vxp=mtr
>>
>> In my case it's connected to the computer on which I monitor the
>> EBL/EFI; there are analog and digital gauges available.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:46 AM, John Phillips
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a safe way to get a fuel pressure gauge taped into this line?
>>> Is there a better way to get fuel pressure?
>>> Does anyone have an electric fuel pressure gauge solution?
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trick to screw fuel line into carb? [message #323091 is a reply to message #323026] |
Fri, 01 September 2017 06:24 |
mrgmc3
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If anyone is looking for a replacement pump-to-carb fuel line, Inline tube makes a reproduction part for a '73-'76 Olds cutlass that should work;
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/4d7af2_9dac1b92b352467ab9d76476103e76ce.pdf
They also make a similar part for '77 cutlass with 403.
Fortunately our GMCs share a few parts with the desirable classic car world.
One caveat; The plane of the carb flange is angled slightly differently on rwd vs fwd Olds engines, due to the position of the engine as installed in the vehicle. Rwd Olds v8s, like most rwd v8s, position the engine with the crankshaft axis dipping toward the trans and rear axle for alignment, while the Toronado has the crankshaft axis more parallel to the ground. They designed each intake manifold to place the carb parallel to the ground for proper float level orientation. The carb mounting flange tips "forward" on a rwd manifold, and relatively "rearward" on Toronado. This angularity would make a very slight difference in the fuel line as well, but I suspect it could be made to work by tightening the carb last. Inline tube also offers a '67 Toronado fuel line that might be closer to our original part...for $25 this should beat trying to bend something from scratch.
Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa
1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi
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