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Ronald Pottol is currently offline  Ronald Pottol   United States
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I need to get a macerator now, and I'm not going to have the time to install one for quite a while. I found this on Amazon, people seem to like it, any thoughts?

I want to be able to use my coach in my driveway, and dump the tanks into the sewer line clean out, 1" would work so much easier with this setup.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HRMYLC/

http://www.cleandump.com/products.php


1973 26' GM outfitted
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eagleman 73 Sequoia 26 is currently offline  eagleman 73 Sequoia 26   United States
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When I first bought my GMC in 1992 and had to dump a black tank for the first time, I decided that from my boating experiences that I was definitely going to install a "marine type" macerator. I grouped together the parts needed and installed a system. NEVER EVER was I sorry and NEVER EVER did I have to mess with those nasty expandable waste hoses, gutter supports, donuts, etc.
My permanent solution includes a standard PVC "T" fitting right after the dump valve which continues the old line plus the "T" goes through a standard rubber bushing where the macerator is directly attached. Output of the macerator goes through a permanent heavy duty rubber discharge hose to the back bumper where a standard hose bib is attached. I have a special orange "waste hose" (from Amazon) that is used to discharge to the dump site. Power is off the rear battery and switched on/off by a hidden waterproof switch in the rear storage compartment. Didn't want to mount the switch someplace where someone (kids, curious adults) might flick it just to see what it turned on. I can now dump the entire waste tank faster and cleaner than you can hook up the standard waste system. Usually, I don't even hook up to a waste connection at a campground because the permanent macerator driven system works so easily.
The parts are standard parts from RV shop (or Amazon) and Home Depot and only takes a couple of hours to install. The macerator is mounted between frame rails to the bottom of the rear floor (using a 2-1/2" wooden spacer) where the floor starts to slope up (between my rear Gaucho seats) and the discharge hose and wiring runs along left frame rail. Really simple to install in a couple of hours (honestly) using only a drill, saw and soldering gun. I can send a list of parts and photos if you wish. I recommend a permanent installation and keeping some "screw on" hose caps to re-attach after discharge. You can probably assemble these parts much cheaper than the listed kit price.


John 73" Sequoia Virginia Beach, VA.
Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320872 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Ronald,

No question whether that will work. BUT, remember that the lugs on your
sewer connection were never designed to support a heavy motor at the end of
a lever arm and with lanyard (hose) to yank on.

Back When, I had a macerator, water powered and very light weight, attached
that way. I'd just pulled the handle on 50 gallons of black water when the
mounting lugs on the macerator itself failed. A 3" geyser of black stuff
came gushing out. I was able to reach the valve quickly without taking a
bath, so only a fraction of the waste hit the ground.

I was lucky: I was alone at the family farm with 850 acres of privacy
protection and sandy soil. I'd just, for some reason, bought several
gallons of Chlorox. Later that evening we had a 3" rainfall.

In that case the manufacturer admitted problems with the device -- and he'd
designed and built the whole thing. Thetford, Camco, Valterra, etc.,
aren't going to defend the strength of their mounting lugs.

​If I HAD to use that sort of arrangement, I'd mount the pump on a portable
platform to set on the ground, with a short 3" hose to the RV connection.​
But I saved money by mounting it (actually one for gray and one for black)
on the GMC's frame.

Ken H.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:14 AM, Ronald Pottol
wrote:

> I need to get a macerator now, and I'm not going to have the time to
> install one for quite a while. I found this on Amazon, people seem to like
> it,
> any thoughts?
>
> I want to be able to use my coach in my driveway, and dump the tanks into
> the sewer line clean out, 1" would work so much easier with this setup.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HRMYLC/
>
> http://www.cleandump.com/products.php
> --
>
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Re: Portable Macerators [message #320873 is a reply to message #320870] Sun, 23 July 2017 08:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At an RV show, I purchased a macerator that is completely water powered. It connects to your sewage drain, has connection in for typical home water hose to supply water power, and connection out for typical home water hose for output. Put the output hose in the dump point, turn on the water line full blast, water pressure breaks up sewage and forces it out into the dump point. I have successfully dumped thru a 50' hose.
Turning the control valve also sends clean water into the sewage system to flush out the tanks (back flush).
This little gem cost about $100. I purchased it after seeing another GMCer using one.
Tom, MS II


2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552 KA4CSG
Re: Portable Macerators [message #320876 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of those showed up in my spares. Since the new coach has one installed permanently I passed it to Tony Bennett for his toy hauler.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320881 is a reply to message #320870] Sun, 23 July 2017 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John et all,
Installed my first macerator in 2001 on our first coach a 77 Eleganza II. Their have been and are several different designs and all work well. The features that I have on the installation that I use is that I have moved both the dump hose and the macerator outlet to the drivers side just in front of the rear bumper. Moving the centered rear outlet gets it out of the way of the tow hitch if you have one and do tow. I also use quick disconnects and a one inch hose which can be extended if you need more length. The switch is located up inside the generator compartment. The drain layout on the Stretch is different and I feel one of the best designs that Buskirk had for the outlet piping.

Pictures on the 77 EL II:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5371-maserator.html

Pictures on the 78 Buskirk Stretch:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6973-macerator-ii.html

As for parts:

The 3-in X 1 1/2-in rubber eccentric coupling used in this design is typically stocked at most big box stores and will need to be ordered.You can also get a black PVC version.

http://www.rveparts.com/rv-sewer-holding-tank-offset-reducer-1-1-2/

For the quick disconnect fittings I buy them from Northern Tool & Equipment.

JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan



> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:03 AM, John Procida wrote:
>
> When I first bought my GMC in 1992 and had to dump a black tank for the first time, I decided that from my boating experiences that I was definitely
> going to install a "marine type" macerator. I grouped together the parts needed and installed a system. NEVER EVER was I sorry and NEVER EVER did I
> have to mess with those nasty expandable waste hoses, gutter supports, donuts, etc.
> My permanent solution includes a standard PVC "T" fitting right after the dump valve which continues the old line plus the "T" goes through a standard
> rubber bushing where the macerator is directly attached. Output of the macerator goes through a permanent heavy duty rubber discharge hose to the
> back bumper where a standard hose bib is attached. I have a special orange "waste hose" (from Amazon) that is used to discharge to the dump site.
> Power is off the rear battery and switched on/off by a hidden waterproof switch in the rear storage compartment. Didn't want to mount the switch
> someplace where someone (kids, curious adults) might flick it just to see what it turned on. I can now dump the entire waste tank faster and cleaner
> than you can hook up the standard waste system. Usually, I don't even hook up to a waste connection at a campground because the permanent macerator
> driven system works so easily.
> The parts are standard parts from RV shop (or Amazon) and Home Depot and only takes a couple of hours to install. The macerator is mounted between
> frame rails to the bottom of the rear floor (using a 2-1/2" wooden spacer) where the floor starts to slope up (between my rear Gaucho seats) and the
> discharge hose and wiring runs along left frame rail. Really simple to install in a couple of hours (honestly) using only a drill, saw and soldering
> gun. I can send a list of parts and photos if you wish. I recommend a permanent installation and keeping some "screw on" hose caps to re-attach after
> discharge. You can probably assemble these parts much cheaper than the listed kit price.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320884 is a reply to message #320873] Sun, 23 July 2017 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Tom,

That's the kind I told about breaking on me. It was an early model. When
I started to raise cain about the failure, the manufacturer told me that
those almost put them out of business. They kept changing the plastic
trying to stop the breakage. Finally found that the grease being used on
the seal would attach 'most any plastic, including Lexan.

I may still have the replacement somewhere if anyone wants it.

It's still more trouble than a mounted electric one.

Ken H.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Thomas Phipps wrote:

> At an RV show, I purchased a macerator that is completely water powered.
> It connects to your sewage drain, has connection in for typical home water
> hose to supply water power, and connection out for typical home water hose
> for output. Put the output hose in the dump point, turn on the water line
> full blast, water pressure breaks up sewage and forces it out into the
> dump point. I have successfully dumped thru a 50' hose.
> Turning the control valve also sends clean water into the sewage system to
> flush out the tanks (back flush).
> This little gem cost about $100. I purchased it after seeing another GMCer
> using one.
> Tom, MS II
>
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Re: Portable Macerators [message #320887 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott Nutter is currently offline  Scott Nutter   United States
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Another question for macerator users:

I have a twist on macerator, but have never used it. So I have absolutely no experience with a macerator.

The macerator needs to be turned on and off manually. That seems rather inconvenient while taking a long shower(unless you have a switch within reach of the shower). So that would be a mark against using one? Where the gravity 3" hose never needs to be turned on and off while camping.

The only real positive I can think of on the macerator is that it will pump uphill, and long runs. But at normal campgrounds pumping uphill is hardly ever a issue.

Anything I'm missing? How/why is the twist on macerator better/easier than the 3" gravity hose in a normal campsite? You still need to twist on and off both styles.

I would like to use my twist on macerator, but just haven't seen it as a advantage. Opinions?

Thanks, scott


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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320893 is a reply to message #320887] Sun, 23 July 2017 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
William Shourt is currently offline  William Shourt   United States
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We have a twist on macerator that. We use at home and pump through a 50 foot 3/4 inch hose. Works great. Can't really see using at a camp site or dump station though.

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> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Scott Nutter wrote:
>
> Another question for macerator users:
>
> I have a twist on macerator, but have never used it. So I have absolutely no experience with a macerator.
>
> The macerator needs to be turned on and off manually. That seems rather inconvenient while taking a long shower(unless you have a switch within reach
> of the shower). So that would be a mark against using one? Where the gravity 3" hose never needs to be turned on and off while camping.
>
> The only real positive I can think of on the macerator is that it will pump uphill, and long runs. But at normal campgrounds pumping uphill is hardly
> ever a issue.
>
> Anything I'm missing? How/why is the twist on macerator better/easier than the 3" gravity hose in a normal campsite? You still need to twist on and
> off both styles.
>
> I would like to use my twist on macerator, but just haven't seen it as a advantage. Opinions?
>
> Thanks, scott
> --
> Scott Nutter
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater.
> Houston, Texas
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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320895 is a reply to message #320887] Sun, 23 July 2017 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Scott,

When parked with sewer connection, it's OK to leave the GRAY water valve
open -- NOT the Black or Combination valve. The solids need a lot of water
with them to keep them liquified enough to drain, regardless of whether you
use a macerator or gravity drain.

If you take long enough showers to require dumping the tank, you could rig
multiple control switches, with one accessible from the shower. I suspect
most of us just take "Navy Showers".

After you've visited enough campgrounds, your count of "too high" sewer
hookups will grow; most campgrounds are not designed for rigs as low as
ours. And you may visit homes where a macerator is the only way to use
their sewer cleanout as your dump station.

Finally, most important to me: The macerator hose is smooth inside and
doesn't collect debris, especially if you can dump Black followed by Gray.
So, it doesn't need rinsing and draining. It stows easily in a permanently
mounted tube rather than being like a monster wet noodle that you've got to
stow in a non-existent compartment.

I've got a LOT of years' (60+) experience with both "stinky slinkys" and
macerators -- I AIN'T goin' back!

(But I'd permanently mount that "twist-on".)

Ken H.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Scott Nutter
wrote:

> Another question for macerator users:
>
> I have a twist on macerator, but have never used it. So I have absolutely
> no experience with a macerator.
>
> The macerator needs to be turned on and off manually. That seems rather
> inconvenient while taking a long shower(unless you have a switch within
> reach
> of the shower). So that would be a mark against using one? Where the
> gravity 3" hose never needs to be turned on and off while camping.
>
> The only real positive I can think of on the macerator is that it will
> pump uphill, and long runs. But at normal campgrounds pumping uphill is
> hardly
> ever a issue.
>
> Anything I'm missing? How/why is the twist on macerator better/easier than
> the 3" gravity hose in a normal campsite? You still need to twist on and
> off both styles.
>
> I would like to use my twist on macerator, but just haven't seen it as a
> advantage. Opinions?
>
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Re: Portable Macerators [message #320898 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With the gray water tank valve open, and the black water tank valve closed. Is the gray water able to travel through the macerator when the macerator is not energized/turned on? And still gravity feed?

If yes, then I can see the macerator as being the way to go.

I travel with a couple of females at times, and a navy shower could be a issue! They love my tankless water heater..

Scott.


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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320901 is a reply to message #320898] Sun, 23 July 2017 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, the macerator will not pass liquid when not running. It is, however,
simple to install a bypass for continuous draining as you suggest.

Ken H.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Scott Nutter wrote:

> With the gray water tank valve open, and the black water tank valve
> closed. Is the gray water able to travel through the macerator when the
> macerator
> is not energized/turned on? And still gravity feed?
>
> If yes, then I can see the macerator as being the way to go.
>
> I travel with a couple of females at times, and a navy shower could be a
> issue! They love my tankless water heater..
>
> Scott.
> --
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> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final
> drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater.
> Houston, Texas
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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320902 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ron,
My coach is plumbed to come off the back of the macerator with 1" pvc piping and Tee each direction with a shutoff valves and adaptor to a 3/4" garden hose on each end. Hook a garden hose female connection coming off the shutoff valves and loop it thru a pvc sleeve inside the rear bumper.
Depending on which side the dump station is, disconnect the opposite side pull the garden hose thru the sleeve and open the shutoff valve on the dump side and turn on the macerator pump.
Really works well will very little mess or cleanup.

Gary Coaster / Reno, NV
1977 GMC Eleganza ll
GMC RV Day Night Shade Sales
GMCShades@gmail.com
www.GMCMotorhomemarketplace.com/GMC_Shades/

> On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Ronald Pottol wrote:
>
> I need to get a macerator now, and I'm not going to have the time to install one for quite a while. I found this on Amazon, people seem to like it,
> any thoughts?
>
> I want to be able to use my coach in my driveway, and dump the tanks into the sewer line clean out, 1" would work so much easier with this setup.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HRMYLC/
>
> http://www.cleandump.com/products.php
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320904 is a reply to message #320872] Sun, 23 July 2017 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 78 Royale w/two tanks, and not much room to mount the mascerator.
There is a tri-angular space in the drivers side rear corner where it fits,
but the discharge points to the frame when the mascerator is connected to
the area of the drain pipe that will allow either tank to be drained
separately, and still have the 3" stinky slinky available for use. I used
a hole saw and cut a hole in the frame, and plumbed rigid pvc to a shut
off, then converted it to hose male threads with a threaded cover. When I
want to drain the tanks, I hook up a short piece of 3/4" garden hose, drop
the end down the dump station, flip the switch hidden in the generator
compartment, pull whichever tank valve needs dumped, and a couple of
minutes later, all done. No mess. I usually dump the black tank first, then
the grey, that way it flushes out the waste from the hose. The way I have
the system plumbed, no water stands in the drains, so, no winterizing is
needed.
Works on the Royale coaches very well, particularly with the wireless air
controls. One of the preset buttons lowers the back of the coach, and tilts
it, too. When finished, a single touch on the other preset button, and I am
back to ride height. I still have the 3" slinky drains available if the
mascerator fails.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Jul 23, 2017 1:07 PM, "Gary" wrote:

Ron,
My coach is plumbed to come off the back of the macerator with 1" pvc
piping and Tee each direction with a shutoff valves and adaptor to a 3/4"
garden hose on each end. Hook a garden hose female connection coming off
the shutoff valves and loop it thru a pvc sleeve inside the rear bumper.
Depending on which side the dump station is, disconnect the opposite side
pull the garden hose thru the sleeve and open the shutoff valve on the dump
side and turn on the macerator pump.
Really works well will very little mess or cleanup.

Gary Coaster / Reno, NV
1977 GMC Eleganza ll
GMC RV Day Night Shade Sales
GMCShades@gmail.com
www.GMCMotorhomemarketplace.com/GMC_Shades/

> On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Ronald Pottol
wrote:
>
> I need to get a macerator now, and I'm not going to have the time to
install one for quite a while. I found this on Amazon, people seem to like
it,
> any thoughts?
>
> I want to be able to use my coach in my driveway, and dump the tanks into
the sewer line clean out, 1" would work so much easier with this setup.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HRMYLC/
>
> http://www.cleandump.com/products.php
> --
> 1973 26' GM outfitted
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320906 is a reply to message #320902] Sun, 23 July 2017 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The main problem with Portable macerator is that majority of the coaches
has only the Black tank.
When one dumps there is not gray water to flush out the black crud and
smell, so storing it is a smelly mess.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Gary wrote:

> Ron,
> My coach is plumbed to come off the back of the macerator with 1" pvc
> piping and Tee each direction with a shutoff valves and adaptor to a 3/4"
> garden hose on each end. Hook a garden hose female connection coming off
> the shutoff valves and loop it thru a pvc sleeve inside the rear bumper.
> Depending on which side the dump station is, disconnect the opposite side
> pull the garden hose thru the sleeve and open the shutoff valve on the dump
> side and turn on the macerator pump.
> Really works well will very little mess or cleanup.
>
> Gary Coaster / Reno, NV
> 1977 GMC Eleganza ll
> GMC RV Day Night Shade Sales
> GMCShades@gmail.com
> www.GMCMotorhomemarketplace.com/GMC_Shades/
>
>> On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Ronald Pottol
> wrote:
>>
>> I need to get a macerator now, and I'm not going to have the time to
> install one for quite a while. I found this on Amazon, people seem to like
> it,
>> any thoughts?
>>
>> I want to be able to use my coach in my driveway, and dump the tanks
> into the sewer line clean out, 1" would work so much easier with this setup.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HRMYLC/
>>
>> http://www.cleandump.com/products.php
>> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320913 is a reply to message #320887] Sun, 23 July 2017 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Scott,

I'm confused!

Why would you want to turn on the macerator when taking a shower?

Avions have a 40 gallon black tank, no gray tank, a 38 gallon fresh water tank, and level indicating lights on both which come on at
1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and full.

I monitor the level indicators and when the black tank gets 3/4 full I know I'm going to have to dump soon.

Photos of my macerator installation on the Avion:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6528-macerator-install.html

Photos of a Jabsco macerator:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6005-macerator-innards.html

Photos of the quick disconnect SeaFlo macerator:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6769-seaflo-macerator.html

This is what I will install in the Kingsley because it is a quick disconnect model. The mating piece to the macerator inlet replaces
the rubber hose and screw clamp inlet connection for the Jabsco. A plug in connector will be used for 12VDC and screws retained in
the bracket with wing nuts to hold the macerator to the bracket. This will allow the macerator to be replaced quickly if and when it
fails.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Nutter
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:19 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators

Another question for macerator users:

I have a twist on macerator, but have never used it. So I have absolutely no experience with a macerator.

The macerator needs to be turned on and off manually. That seems rather inconvenient while taking a long shower(unless you have a
switch within reach
of the shower). So that would be a mark against using one? Where the gravity 3" hose never needs to be turned on and off while
camping.

The only real positive I can think of on the macerator is that it will pump uphill, and long runs. But at normal campgrounds pumping
uphill is hardly
ever a issue.

Anything I'm missing? How/why is the twist on macerator better/easier than the 3" gravity hose in a normal campsite? You still need
to twist on and
off both styles.

I would like to use my twist on macerator, but just haven't seen it as a advantage. Opinions?

Thanks, scott
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Houston, Texas

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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: Portable Macerators [message #320916 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott Nutter is currently offline  Scott Nutter   United States
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Rob,

My coach has a 16 gallon gray tank, and a 23 gallon black tank. My shower head has all the water restrictors removed, so it moves a lot of water. And the tankless water heater provides never ending hot water(as long as you have water). So taking a shower in my coach is no different than taking a shower in ones home. Except for the elbow room!

I have not had a chance to measure how many gallons of water one would use while showering in my shower, but it has to be more than 16 gallons. I assume my water flow with a 50 lb water regulator inline is at least 3.5 gallons per minute(and that's a wag). So a 5 minute shower will drain 17.5 gallons. Even a 2 gallon a minute flow only gives one a 8 minute shower. I can shower within these parameters, but the ladies??? And I want to make it as comfortable for them as possible.

So that's why I would need some sort of on switch for the macerator. I don't have the the large holding tanks that you have. But if my tanks ever go out, I'm going with the large single tank.

A float system inside the tank to tell the macerator to come on line automatically would be nice! Hint, hint!!

Scott



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Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators [message #320918 is a reply to message #320913] Sun, 23 July 2017 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
emerystora is currently offline  emerystora   United States
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Rob
When I read that I assumed that Scott is hooked up to city water, leaves the 3" hose in the drain and leaves the dump valve open all the time (ignoring possible solids buildup in the tank when using the stool) and takes 60 minute or longer showers.

Emery Stora

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> I'm confused!
>
> Why would you want to turn on the macerator when taking a shower?
>
> Avions have a 40 gallon black tank, no gray tank, a 38 gallon fresh water tank, and level indicating lights on both which come on at
> 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and full.
>
> I monitor the level indicators and when the black tank gets 3/4 full I know I'm going to have to dump soon.
>
> Photos of my macerator installation on the Avion:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6528-macerator-install.html
>
> Photos of a Jabsco macerator:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6005-macerator-innards.html
>
> Photos of the quick disconnect SeaFlo macerator:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6769-seaflo-macerator.html
>
> This is what I will install in the Kingsley because it is a quick disconnect model. The mating piece to the macerator inlet replaces
> the rubber hose and screw clamp inlet connection for the Jabsco. A plug in connector will be used for 12VDC and screws retained in
> the bracket with wing nuts to hold the macerator to the bracket. This will allow the macerator to be replaced quickly if and when it
> fails.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Nutter
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:19 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Portable Macerators
>
> Another question for macerator users:
>
> I have a twist on macerator, but have never used it. So I have absolutely no experience with a macerator.
>
> The macerator needs to be turned on and off manually. That seems rather inconvenient while taking a long shower(unless you have a
> switch within reach
> of the shower). So that would be a mark against using one? Where the gravity 3" hose never needs to be turned on and off while
> camping.
>
> The only real positive I can think of on the macerator is that it will pump uphill, and long runs. But at normal campgrounds pumping
> uphill is hardly
> ever a issue.
>
> Anything I'm missing? How/why is the twist on macerator better/easier than the 3" gravity hose in a normal campsite? You still need
> to twist on and
> off both styles.
>
> I would like to use my twist on macerator, but just haven't seen it as a advantage. Opinions?
>
> Thanks, scott
> --
> Scott Nutter
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater.
> Houston, Texas
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Re: Portable Macerators [message #320919 is a reply to message #320867] Sun, 23 July 2017 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott Nutter is currently offline  Scott Nutter   United States
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Emory,
Now I'm confused!!
60 minute showers??

But to answer your reply.
Yes- I do hookup to city water while camping.
Yes- I do have my 3" stinky slinky hooked up.
Yes- I do have my black and gray valves open all times while camping.

Things you did not respond to.
Yes- I do fill my gray tank then drain before I disconnect, after the black tank has been drained.
Yes- I do drop a 20 lb of ice down the toilet to the black tank while enroute to clean the tank.
Yes- when I get back to storage I redump the black tank, followed by a flush, then the extra fresh water gets pumped into the gray tank then dumped to wash the hose from the black mater. All with the front wheels on blocks and the rear bags deflated.

I'm I missing something?
I am assuming the shower water goes to the gray tank??
Scott


Scott Nutter 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI Houston, Texas
Re: Portable Macerators [message #320920 is a reply to message #320919] Sun, 23 July 2017 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
JShot is currently offline  JShot   United States
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Scott,
In a Royale Center Kitchen, at least ours, and every other one I've seen, the ONLY thing that goes into the grey tank is the kitchen sink...

shot


John Shotwell
Ridgeville Corners, OH
78 Royale Center Kitchen
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