| new engines for the GMCs [message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 13:49  |
Mike S
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Some of you may be following this from the Facebook page. I have been looking into the viability of the LS engines for GMC motorhomes. Problem number one was getting the LS engine to hook to our 425 transmissions. The Panrail on the LS interferes with our differential. I solved the connection problem by rotating the transmission up about 25°. That allows clearance around the Panrail and diff. The next problem was the transmission now interferes with the step area. It could be worked around but it illuminates a True Bolt-in situation. I have identified an aftermarket block that would get us 427 in.³ relatively easily. And still fit in the stock location. The target for the horsepower of this engine would be 450 HP and 500 pounds of torque. They can have late-model fuel injection and coil on plug spark system. I'm ready for questions
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316312 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 13:53  |
Justin Brady
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So what are you going to do about the step? move it back a foot and lose the floor space?
Call me what you will, but that level of modification is not going to appeal to anyone but someone with a completely gutted project coach.
Justin Brady
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316317 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 14:09 |
Mike S
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From all of my research the stock numbers were 330 to 350 HP. And 450 to 500 torque. The new engine would have a little more horsepower because of the ability to Rev up a little freer. We could make more horsepower and torque but this is the goal of the combination
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316318 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 14:32 |
JohnL455
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The 70 Eldorado E car had similar HP and Tq so that is not an issue. I just don't think a low nickel BB Chevy (if that's what you are suggesting) will have the longevity of the Olds, but that will he offset by availability.
John Lebetski
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316320 is a reply to message #316317] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 14:39 |
Hal StClair
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Great motors and can be built to make more power than could ever be used in our rigs. Modifying the oil pan is no trivial matter though as they are a structural element of the block. The poor ol' 425 is kind of out of place though with about half the gears you'd like. It can be built robustly enough to take the guff though so thats an easy problem to contend with. I am quite curious how your final drive and half shafts would fit-probably need custom length shafts at the least IF the angles can be made to work. The raised step is a non issue IMO and a really simple thing to deal with. You would have to deal with the electronics as well which isn't too bad, either custom made or home built depending on your abilities.
Would probably be a fun project but not for the faint of heart. $$$ is the big thing on a project like this as well as 'stick-with-it-ness' to see it through to the end.
Hal
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1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
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| Re: [GMCnet] new engines for the GMCs [message #316321 is a reply to message #316317] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 14:30 |
jimk
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Apparently, your not aware that the Big block Chev engines have been
adapted to the 425 trans by many.
It works well once it is done correctly.
The 425 trans, when slighty modigied and proper parts used like the ones
Manny T does for me. My Cad 540 with Twin turbo,Intercooled,port injected
has been holding up with over 80,000 miles.
You need to know that I have been around mods on these since 1980 and have
rubbed shoulders and exchanged info with them.
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Mike Sadlon wrote:
> From all of my research the stock numbers were 330 to 350 HP. And 450 to
> 500 torque. The new engine would have a little more horsepower because of
> the ability to Rev up a little freer. We could make more horsepower and
> torque but this is the goal of the combination
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316324 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 14:50 |
Mike S
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I know the big blocks have been installed. But I don't believe there's any combination of intake that will let it fit underneath the stock engine cover. If I remember correctly even Daves 8.1 has a raised hatch
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316325 is a reply to message #316318] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 14:53 |
Hal StClair
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JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 20 April 2017 13:32The 70 Eldorado E car had similar HP and Tq so that is not an issue. I just don't think a low nickel BB Chevy (if that's what you are suggesting) will have the longevity of the Olds, but that will he offset by availability.
These are modern motors either all aluminum or iron block versions, that are typically good for 200,000 miles or more. They have NOTHING in common with a big block Chevy. Great platform in most applications, Corvettes, trucks, rear drive cars etc. Same bore spacing as the old small block Chevy but nothing else carried over. All had aluminum heads, composite intakes. 4.8l,5.3l,5.7l,6.0l,6.2l,7.0l sizes stock with lots of aftermarket support. All aluminum versions were in the 440lb range which is a real plus for weight savings.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316326 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 15:00 |
Mike S
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Just so everyone understands. There are two things going on here. First is the LS conversion. The diff stays in at stock location then there is an adapter to rotate the transmission 25°. Then there is another adapter to rotate the engine back 25° so what is level. The goal was a kit to be able to put a junkyard 6.0 LS engine into one of our coaches. New transmission pan new oil pan new front mount And a transmission mount. The goal for the kit price point was under $2000. The rotated engine with a low profile intake should fit under the Hatch. But the rotated transmission will not fit underneath the step.
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316327 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 15:03 |
Mike S
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The other is a brand-new engine block available from world products small block lower LS cylinder heads. It's a hybrid they created. I have prices for a completed short block. Working on the pricing to build a complete engine.
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316328 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 15:10 |
Mike S
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The small block lower only needs a oil pan and front mount to make it work everything else stays in the stock location. These blocks have already built to handle over 800 HP. Considering the quality of the parts that you have to use on this aftermarket combination, our 450 horse will last a very very long time
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316329 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 15:16 |
Mike S
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Over the last week as I've starting the pricing on this, I was hoping to be able to build assembled motor ready to go with exhaust for under 10 grand. My first quote on the short block balanced and assembled is over $5000. And it's looking like it would need to be closer to $12,000 to be done with computer ready to Run.
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316330 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 15:50 |
lqqkatjon
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I really dont know a thing. Other then being around 6.0 ls conversions in grand wagoneers. Prefect for those, but I just dont get how that junkyard engine can pull around our coaches. Works perfect for the wagineers, but we are twice the weight. Must be some more performace upgrades you had in mind other then taking a stock tahoe engine and putting it onto the 425? And at what price?
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316331 is a reply to message #316311] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 15:56 |
Mike S
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The 6.0s and 6.2 have been the go to motor in the 1 tons since the demise of the 8.1. And their GVW's are way above ours. The 6.0s what outwork the Ford V10's in our service Fleet.
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| Re: new engines for the GMCs [message #316332 is a reply to message #316331] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 16:46 |
Hal StClair
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Like I mentioned, great motors but they need rpm for the towing you're talking about. To get to our weight levels you would probably need a 4.1 gear. At that rpm your economy wouldn't be much different than the present combination. You might be up with Manny's kit for money expended.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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