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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313475 is a reply to message #313470] Sun, 19 February 2017 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kosier is currently offline  Kosier   United States
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Mac,

I-44 becomes the Will Rogers Turnpike when you get to Oklahoma.
The charge for 5 axles sorta' ruins the trip.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "D C _Mac_ Macdonald"
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:09 PM
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> Regarding a recommendation to get to Shawnee!
>
>
> If you are coming from the northeast, just pick up I-70 wherever
> convenient and stay on it until you get to the northwest of St Louis.
> Then take I-270 south to I-44 and head west. Do NOT pick up I-55 at Troy.
>
>
> If you are coming from southeast on I-64, turn south on I-255 and then
> west on I-270 north to I-44 west.
>
> No East St Louis!
>
> Mac in OKC, OK
> GMCMI and Classics
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Matt Colie
>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 08:55
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 22:59
>> BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48
>> United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have
>> all future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV
>> parks near there:
>>
>> http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620
>>
>> Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more
>> likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can
>> drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that
>> none of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than
>> ONE
>> star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what
>> with all that nice flat land around there.
>>
>> An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get
>> to travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely
>> resist (having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding
>> that to be too far from their present locations will just have to move
>> closer! Or at least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.
>>
>> I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up
>> with it all by myself here in the middle of the night!
>>
>> Ken H.
>
> Ken,
>
> It is not that I don't think you are brilliant, but everybody knows that
> Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the (continental) USA. There is
> even
> a monument there to commemorate the fact. Alaskans and Hawaiians may have
> a varied opinion here.
>
> But there is a nice is a nice cramp ground (according to RV Park Reviews)
> in Webber. That is about 30 miles (as a crow flies - I don't know how far
> if the crow is walking and rolling a flat tire). That would be Lovewell
> State Park (454 slips and a 4.5 star). The actual monument is another 2
> miles northwest. The roads only go north and west, you have to figure out
> the distance on your own. I learned all about this when I was trying to
> arrange a family reunion. Too Late Now.
>
> Now, the population center of the USA is in south east Missouri. Not that
> far from New Madrid. (Remember 1815 earthquake). The census does this
> calculation and it has been in Missouri since the 1980s.
>
> What we could do is do as Mary did for GMCES and do a centroid of North
> American GMCMI members. I don't think we want to include those outside of
> North America or that will probably be in a ocean and there won't be any
> hook-ups and only satellite internet there.
>
> Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313480 is a reply to message #313475] Sun, 19 February 2017 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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You can alternately take what WAS US-66 (mostly signed as OK-66) instead of the Will Rogers and Turner turnpikes. Lots of folks do!

Expect your trip to take AT LEAST twice as long and with all the stop and go in dozens of small towns, you'll probably burn the same amount of fuel and your frustration level will probably be at least four times as much.

Mac in OKC, OK
MCMI and Classics



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From: Gmclist on behalf of Gary Kosier
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:57
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Mac,

I-44 becomes the Will Rogers Turnpike when you get to Oklahoma.
The charge for 5 axles sorta' ruins the trip.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "D C _Mac_ Macdonald"
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:09 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out

> Regarding a recommendation to get to Shawnee!
>
>
> If you are coming from the northeast, just pick up I-70 wherever
> convenient and stay on it until you get to the northwest of St Louis.
> Then take I-270 south to I-44 and head west. Do NOT pick up I-55 at Troy.
>
>
> If you are coming from southeast on I-64, turn south on I-255 and then
> west on I-270 north to I-44 west.
>
> No East St Louis!
>
> Mac in OKC, OK
> GMCMI and Classics

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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313483 is a reply to message #313223] Sun, 19 February 2017 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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I ran 44 out of Tulsa to the Missouri line, I didn't think the bite was bad... less than a dollar an axle. No toad so I only paid a car and a half.

--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313493 is a reply to message #313483] Sun, 19 February 2017 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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$4 for 2 axles between Tulsa and OKC and same between Tulsa and MO line. I think three axles is $6 for each section. Probably $10 for GMC and towd.


For full info, go to: https://www.pikepass.com/


I have PikePass (also good on KS Turnpikes and Dallas-Ft Worth toll roads). 5% discount from cash fares, at least in Oklahoma.


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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out

I ran 44 out of Tulsa to the Missouri line, I didn't think the bite was bad... less than a dollar an axle. No toad so I only paid a car and a half.

--johnny
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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313511 is a reply to message #313453] Mon, 20 February 2017 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic center of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the Canadians a chance.

Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.

I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and continue on my way.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313517 is a reply to message #313511] Mon, 20 February 2017 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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If that's the way, better use population center instead of geographic
center to account for all that "vacant" Canada. :-)

Ken H.


On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Ken Burton wrote:

> GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic center
> of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the
> Canadians a chance.
>
> Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.
>
> I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and
> continue on my way.
> --
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> 76 Palm Beach
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[GMCnet] Oklahoma Turnpike tolls [message #313519 is a reply to message #313493] Mon, 20 February 2017 07:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Cash rates for full length of both turnpikes:


2 axle: $ 4.00

3 axle: $ 6.75

4 axle: $ 9.75

5 axle: $16.75

Solution: separate towd from motorhome and tolls are $10.75!

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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313520 is a reply to message #313517] Mon, 20 February 2017 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From Tx we pay the toll road every time we cross OK -- multiple times a year. It's necessary if u don't want to travel back roads which r poor.

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> On Feb 20, 2017, at 7:29 AM, Ken Henderson wrote:
>
> If that's the way, better use population center instead of geographic
> center to account for all that "vacant" Canada. :-)
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
>>
>> GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic center
>> of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the
>> Canadians a chance.
>>
>> Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.
>>
>> I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and
>> continue on my way.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313522 is a reply to message #313520] Mon, 20 February 2017 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have EZTag issued by Harris County Toll Road Association. It is good
for any Texas toll road, but I don't believe we can use it in OK. Wish we
could.

Sandra

On Feb 20, 2017 8:22 AM, "Jeanette Hodges" wrote:

> From Tx we pay the toll road every time we cross OK -- multiple times a
> year. It's necessary if u don't want to travel back roads which r poor.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 7:29 AM, Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>>
>> If that's the way, better use population center instead of geographic
>> center to account for all that "vacant" Canada. :-)
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
>>>
>>> GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic
> center
>>> of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the
>>> Canadians a chance.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.
>>>
>>> I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and
>>> continue on my way.
>>> --
>>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>>> 76 Palm Beach
>>> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313545 is a reply to message #313517] Mon, 20 February 2017 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313549 is a reply to message #313545] Mon, 20 February 2017 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most toll roads were not built by the government. They were built using
private monies. States thought that was a good deal, they didn't have to
pony up billions and create jobs for government employees for which the
expenses never end (benefit packages, retirement plans, etc.) The tolls
repay investors, and continue to generate revenues for them. Some money
goes back into repair of bridges, overpasses, surfaces, and the like. But,
tolls rarely go away, and sometimes increase. Almost no privately owned
roads out west. We learned that the government excels at some things, like
sidewalks, sewers, tunnels and bridges, infrastructure type stuff. Armies,
Navy, etc. If they would just stay out of our private lives, I would be
better pleased with them. JMHO.
Jim Hupy
SALEM, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Feb 20, 2017 9:43 AM, "Ken Burton" wrote:

> My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I
> boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313551 is a reply to message #313549] Mon, 20 February 2017 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Margie Van Winkle is currently offline  Margie Van Winkle   United States
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For those coming SW through Missouri on I-44..........if you take hwy
71/I-49 south near Joplin you will pass through Bentonville Arkansas where
you can visit CHRYSTAL BRIDGES MUSEUM OF AMERICAN ART, a must see for both
the art, architecture, and grounds (free). Camping nearby. Then
continue south on I-49 to Ft Smith and catch I-40 west to Shawnee, AND
AVOID THE TOLL ROAD !

There are some hills on I-49 but nothing our coaches will complain about.
The interstate is not quite complete, but still good double lane highway.

On Feb 20, 2017 10:02 AM, "James Hupy" wrote:

> Most toll roads were not built by the government. They were built using
> private monies. States thought that was a good deal, they didn't have to
> pony up billions and create jobs for government employees for which the
> expenses never end (benefit packages, retirement plans, etc.) The tolls
> repay investors, and continue to generate revenues for them. Some money
> goes back into repair of bridges, overpasses, surfaces, and the like. But,
> tolls rarely go away, and sometimes increase. Almost no privately owned
> roads out west. We learned that the government excels at some things, like
> sidewalks, sewers, tunnels and bridges, infrastructure type stuff. Armies,
> Navy, etc. If they would just stay out of our private lives, I would be
> better pleased with them. JMHO.
> Jim Hupy
> SALEM, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Feb 20, 2017 9:43 AM, "Ken Burton" wrote:
>
>> My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I
>> boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313556 is a reply to message #313545] Mon, 20 February 2017 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Pennsylvania, New York, Oklahoma, and probably other states built their toll roads long before there was ANY money available otherwise to develop efficient and modern roads. In Oklahoma, the Turnpike Authority relies on the tolls to maintain, update, and improve these roads independent of state taxes, gasoline and otherwise!


I don't personally know of ANY state that FORCES anybody to use toll roads. However, the alternative routes that don't have the financial support of the toll roads are likely to be unsatisfactory from the standpoint of traffic, road quality and capacity, and added time it takes to get from A to B.


Pay or don't pay and take your chances.

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My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313599 is a reply to message #313223] Tue, 21 February 2017 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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I personally abhor toll roads and always program my GPS to avoid them.
Fortunately, we have few in the SE. However, with Trump's comments about
having private help with the infrastructure, I suspect that means more
tolls. And I'll start screaming, hopefully with a lot of others. I can
raise a LOT of objections to them, but won't burden anyone with them here.

Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313603 is a reply to message #313599] Tue, 21 February 2017 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have spent much of this winter in California, a bit north of San
Francisco along highway 101. The road surfaces, both inside city limits,
and outside them, are in terrible condition. Chuck holes abound, and these
are suspension damaging ones, flying debris of all sort is constant. Broken
plastic pieces of modern automobiles litter the shoulders, truck ruts,
construction areas that have not been worked on since last September, but
still have lanes reduced, and cone markers everpresent. Reduced speed
limits, you name it. CALTRANS has a huge job ahead of them this year.
There is a commuter train that has been under construction for several
years that runs from Santa Rosa to San Rafael and dead ends in town with no
park and ride within easy walking distance. They have been running
"practice trains" back and forth to train the crews and get the public used
to being held up by crossing arm signals before they let riders on. Been a
year so far, guess trains are tough to learn how to drive. Someone needs to
light a fire under someone's butt and move this stuff along. Stop and go
for 40 miles, trip by car during traffic time can take 2 hours or more. I
can see why people are bailing out of this area. (Rant off)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Feb 21, 2017 7:35 AM, "Ken Henderson" wrote:

> I personally abhor toll roads and always program my GPS to avoid them.
> Fortunately, we have few in the SE. However, with Trump's comments about
> having private help with the infrastructure, I suspect that means more
> tolls. And I'll start screaming, hopefully with a lot of others. I can
> raise a LOT of objections to them, but won't burden anyone with them here.
>
> Ken H.
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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313613 is a reply to message #313420] Tue, 21 February 2017 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 07:44
KB wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 03:14
I think it ends up as: "you can't serve all the members all the time, but you can serve some of the members some of the time."
Or something like that.

Move it around enough, and everybody will get a chance at some point. It also makes it a lot more interesting.
That's the beauty of our coaches: they're mobile.

Karen
1975 26'

Karen,

While the idea is good, we have two personal issues.

Only one is that Tucson will be 4 road days as a Bonzi run (no stops for sights at all - fuel and short sleep only and with two drivers.) It is still 5 road days as a hard run and 7 road days as a casual run. It is over 2000 miles. That means two bogie grease stops just to get there.

I had hoped to use this as a lead in to a Pacific Coast Highway tour all the way to Washington. And when in Washington and Idaho there were hopes and plans to shoot two national matches. Now I have a much bigger problem. Most of the PCH is in California. California now prohibits the possession of magazines that can hold more than five cartridges. Those cannot be limited by plugs that can be removed. The long gun I would carry is specifically disallowed because it could be an "assault weapon" (whatever that means today). I would also want to carry several hundred rounds of match grade ammunition and this would require a California arsenal license. The magazines for the match pieces are about 1.5 GMCbucks EACH as they have been smithed to eliminate mis-feeds and not damage the projectile. You don't even want to hear the insured value of the match pieces. Suffice it to say that I cannot afford to loose them.

And, California has eliminated the "Peaceable Transit" language from the new laws.

This, coupled with the cost of a required crampsite along the coast. (One can get a crampsite for a semi-reasonable ~40$ when you get 30~50 miles inland.) Is a big enough deterrent to severely limit our chances of doing this tour. Free ONP is virually non-existent as elsewhere as many jurisdictions have eliminated it with local ordinances.

So much for California this life.

Matt


Matt,

No need to completely write off California. When my daughter lived there a few years ago, we found some very reasonable places to camp with full hookups even. Oak Park in Venture county only cost us $25.00/night (now $31.00). We stayed at River Park in Lompoc, for $20.00/night (now $30.00). Reasonable places can be had. I guess you don't want to do anything illegal, but I don't see how they can enforce their laws on weapons and ammo. Unless you are stopped and searched (unlikely) you can probably sail right through the state with whatever you have stashed in your coach.

No need to go to CA though, the Southwest has a lot to offer. Arizona has elevations ranging from 140' to over 12,000' with desert, and tall pine and fir trees and everything in between. Utah has some of the most beautiful scenery in the world (as does AZ) Nevada and New Mexico also have a lot to offer. If you come to Tucson, you will start out at about 2300' and can drive to the top of Mt Lemmon, at over 9,000', in about an hour and cross through 5 climate zones from lowland desert to alpine forest.




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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM Carl Stouffer wrote:

> Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 07:44
>> KB wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 03:14
>>> I think it ends up as: "you can't serve all the members all the time,
> but you can serve some of the members some of the time."
>>> Or something like that.
>>>
>>> Move it around enough, and everybody will get a chance at some point.
> It also makes it a lot more interesting.
>>> That's the beauty of our coaches: they're mobile.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>> 1975 26'
>>
>> Karen,
>>
>> While the idea is good, we have two personal issues.
>>
>> Only one is that Tucson will be 4 road days as a Bonzi run (no stops for
> sights at all - fuel and short sleep only and with two drivers.) It is
>> still 5 road days as a hard run and 7 road days as a casual run. It is
> over 2000 miles. That means two bogie grease stops just to get there.
>>
>> I had hoped to use this as a lead in to a Pacific Coast Highway tour all
> the way to Washington. And when in Washington and Idaho there were hopes
>> and plans to shoot two national matches. Now I have a much bigger
> problem. Most of the PCH is in California. California now prohibits the
>> possession of magazines that can hold more than five cartridges. Those
> cannot be limited by plugs that can be removed. The long gun I would carry
>> is specifically disallowed because it could be an "assault weapon"
> (whatever that means today). I would also want to carry several hundred
> rounds
>> of match grade ammunition and this would require a California arsenal
> license. The magazines for the match pieces are about 1.5 GMCbucks EACH as
>> they have been smithed to eliminate mis-feeds and not damage the
> projectile. You don't even want to hear the insured value of the match
> pieces.
>> Suffice it to say that I cannot afford to loose them.
>>
>> And, California has eliminated the "Peaceable Transit" language from the
> new laws.
>>
>> This, coupled with the cost of a required crampsite along the coast.
> (One can get a crampsite for a semi-reasonable ~40$ when you get 30~50 miles
>> inland.) Is a big enough deterrent to severely limit our chances of
> doing this tour. Free ONP is virually non-existent as elsewhere as many
>> jurisdictions have eliminated it with local ordinances.
>>
>> So much for California this life.
>>
>> Matt
>
>
> Matt,
>
> No need to completely write off California. When my daughter lived there
> a few years ago, we found some very reasonable places to camp with full
> hookups even. Oak Park in Venture county only cost us $25.00/night (now
> $31.00). We stayed at River Park in Lompoc, for $20.00/night (now $30.00).
> Reasonable places can be had. I guess you don't want to do anything
> illegal, but I don't see how they can enforce their laws on weapons and
> ammo.
> Unless you are stopped and searched (unlikely) you can probably sail right
> through the state with whatever you have stashed in your coach.
>
> No need to go to CA though, the Southwest has a lot to offer. Arizona has
> elevations ranging from 140' to over 12,000' with desert, and tall pine and
> fir trees and everything in between. Utah has some of the most beautiful
> scenery in the world (as does AZ) Nevada and New Mexico also have a lot to
> offer. If you come to Tucson, you will start out at about 2300' and can
> drive to the top of Mt Lemmon, at over 9,000', in about an hour and cross
> through 5 climate zones from lowland desert to alpine forest.
>
>
>
> --
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> Tucson, AZ.
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> Eagles,
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 21 February 2017 23:37
Join the elks

If I was an American Citizen, I would defenitly do that.
We once stayed at the Elks in Sedona, on their RV place.
They accepted guests when there was spare place on the lot.

We even got invited to their friday-dinner, at low cost.
Very nice people and they gave that evening also a scolarship away to some students.
As I could understand, did very much good things for your community.
We had nice chats and conversations. Very nice!

Daniel


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313627 is a reply to message #313613] Wed, 22 February 2017 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carl S. wrote on Tue, 21 February 2017 17:06

Matt,

No need to completely write off California. When my daughter lived there a few years ago, we found some very reasonable places to camp with full hookups even. Oak Park in Venture county only cost us $25.00/night (now $31.00). We stayed at River Park in Lompoc, for $20.00/night (now $30.00). Reasonable places can be had. I guess you don't want to do anything illegal, but I don't see how they can enforce their laws on weapons and ammo. Unless you are stopped and searched (unlikely) you can probably sail right through the state with whatever you have stashed in your coach.

No need to go to CA though, the Southwest has a lot to offer. Arizona has elevations ranging from 140' to over 12,000' with desert, and tall pine and fir trees and everything in between. Utah has some of the most beautiful scenery in the world (as does AZ) Nevada and New Mexico also have a lot to offer. If you come to Tucson, you will start out at about 2300' and can drive to the top of Mt Lemmon, at over 9,000', in about an hour and cross through 5 climate zones from lowland desert to alpine forest.


Carl,

The plan was specifically a PCH tour that Mary has on her list. To add to the interest was getting to meet the boat builder friends in Port Townsend, making the matches in Idaho and South Dakota. That last part of the schedule would be tight.

What is very scary to me is that an acquaintance was in California before Prop 63 and the blivet of new laws. He was pulled over by CHP officers. They soon had a small army of officers that behaved like they had brown shirts and jack-boots in his motorhome. There was no respect for his constitutional rights at all. He is on record as having a CCW in his state of residence. (He is an "Asset Recovery Officer" aka Repo Man.) That is in the NCIC data base. While the pretense for stopping him was a defective taillight. (That turned out to be operational.) As that vehicle was registered out of state and he was presumed to be carrying weapons they demanded that they be allowed to search the entire vehicle. I guess that they hadn't heard of SCOTUS ruling that a motorhome is only a vehicle where the vehicle functions take place, the rest is domicile and so covered under the 4th amendment rights. He was not carrying anything, but he got left by the roadside with a coach that was undriveable. In parting, they did offer to site him with something so that they could have the coach towed off the roadway if he and his wife could not re-stow and reassemble enough to drive it off the road in short order.

While I am aware that what I have may not be the entire story. The individual reporting it used to be very positive about relocating to California and no longer is.
If we do attempt this excursion, I will have at least one lawyer on speed dial.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313628 is a reply to message #313627] Wed, 22 February 2017 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Matt, you, your family, your pets, your firearms, are welcome anytime at
the Hupy household. We are 5 miles off Interstate 5, midway between Eugene
and Portland. If you are making the grand tour, please stop in or at least
call when you pass through. We could do overnight hookup, meals included,
or just coffee. Lots of GMC CASCADERS along your route, particularly in the
Olympic peninsula where you are headed. California? They don't know whether
to crap or go blind. Goofy should be governor, he would be an improvement.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Feb 22, 2017 7:37 AM, "Matt Colie" wrote:

> Carl S. wrote on Tue, 21 February 2017 17:06
>> Matt,
>>
>> No need to completely write off California. When my daughter lived
> there a few years ago, we found some very reasonable places to camp with
> full
>> hookups even. Oak Park in Venture county only cost us $25.00/night (now
> $31.00). We stayed at River Park in Lompoc, for $20.00/night (now $30.00).
>> Reasonable places can be had. I guess you don't want to do anything
> illegal, but I don't see how they can enforce their laws on weapons and
> ammo.
>> Unless you are stopped and searched (unlikely) you can probably sail
> right through the state with whatever you have stashed in your coach.
>>
>> No need to go to CA though, the Southwest has a lot to offer. Arizona
> has elevations ranging from 140' to over 12,000' with desert, and tall pine
>> and fir trees and everything in between. Utah has some of the most
> beautiful scenery in the world (as does AZ) Nevada and New Mexico also
> have a
>> lot to offer. If you come to Tucson, you will start out at about 2300'
> and can drive to the top of Mt Lemmon, at over 9,000', in about an hour and
>> cross through 5 climate zones from lowland desert to alpine forest.
>
>
> Carl,
>
> The plan was specifically a PCH tour that Mary has on her list. To add to
> the interest was getting to meet the boat builder friends in Port Townsend,
> making the matches in Idaho and South Dakota. That last part of the
> schedule would be tight.
>
> What is very scary to me is that an acquaintance was in California before
> Prop 63 and the blivet of new laws. He was pulled over by CHP officers.
> They soon had a small army of officers that behaved like they had brown
> shirts and jack-boots in his motorhome. There was no respect for his
> constitutional rights at all. He is on record as having a CCW in his
> state of residence. (He is an "Asset Recovery Officer" aka Repo Man.) That
> is
> in the NCIC data base. While the pretense for stopping him was a
> defective taillight. (That turned out to be operational.) As that vehicle
> was
> registered out of state and he was presumed to be carrying weapons they
> demanded that they be allowed to search the entire vehicle. I guess that
> they
> hadn't heard of SCOTUS ruling that a motorhome is only a vehicle where the
> vehicle functions take place, the rest is domicile and so covered under the
> 4th amendment rights. He was not carrying anything, but he got left by
> the roadside with a coach that was undriveable. In parting, they did offer
> to
> site him with something so that they could have the coach towed off the
> roadway if he and his wife could not re-stow and reassemble enough to drive
> it
> off the road in short order.
>
> While I am aware that what I have may not be the entire story. The
> individual reporting it used to be very positive about relocating to
> California
> and no longer is.
> If we do attempt this excursion, I will have at least one lawyer on speed
> dial.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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