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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313420 is a reply to message #313409] Sat, 18 February 2017 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KB wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 03:14
I think it ends up as: "you can't serve all the members all the time, but you can serve some of the members some of the time."
Or something like that.

Move it around enough, and everybody will get a chance at some point. It also makes it a lot more interesting.
That's the beauty of our coaches: they're mobile.

Karen
1975 26'

Karen,

While the idea is good, we have two personal issues.

Only one is that Tucson will be 4 road days as a Bonzi run (no stops for sights at all - fuel and short sleep only and with two drivers.) It is still 5 road days as a hard run and 7 road days as a casual run. It is over 2000 miles. That means two bogie grease stops just to get there.

I had hoped to use this as a lead in to a Pacific Coast Highway tour all the way to Washington. And when in Washington and Idaho there were hopes and plans to shoot two national matches. Now I have a much bigger problem. Most of the PCH is in California. California now prohibits the possession of magazines that can hold more than five cartridges. Those cannot be limited by plugs that can be removed. The long gun I would carry is specifically disallowed because it could be an "assault weapon" (whatever that means today). I would also want to carry several hundred rounds of match grade ammunition and this would require a California arsenal license. The magazines for the match pieces are about 1.5 GMCbucks EACH as they have been smithed to eliminate mis-feeds and not damage the projectile. You don't even want to hear the insured value of the match pieces. Suffice it to say that I cannot afford to loose them.

And, California has eliminated the "Peaceable Transit" language from the new laws.

This, coupled with the cost of a required crampsite along the coast. (One can get a crampsite for a semi-reasonable ~40$ when you get 30~50 miles inland.) Is a big enough deterrent to severely limit our chances of doing this tour. Free ONP is virually non-existent as elsewhere as many jurisdictions have eliminated it with local ordinances.

So much for California this life.

Matt


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313422 is a reply to message #313420] Sat, 18 February 2017 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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'Assault weapon' must be defined as ugly, or looks like 'military weapon.' Most are not highly accurate, include the famous AK family, and are 'little boy' show-off toys. Actual military long guns are designed to work under most conditions, with little skilled maintenance, and fire lots of rounds. This excludes the early M-16, beautifully designed but needed exact cleaning. AK, you could bury it in dirt, pull it out and fire it. Perhaps with little effect, they were inaccurate in the hands of poorly trained troops.
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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313426 is a reply to message #313223] Sat, 18 February 2017 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We run into the same problems with our dogs in many parts of California - and in fairness, much of the Northeast as well. Places with mandatory S/N or BSL, or restrictions on hobby breeders we simply don't go.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313431 is a reply to message #313408] Sat, 18 February 2017 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am past president of the International Cessna 195 Club, which, for non-pilots, is a "Type Club", meaning we all fly the same "type" of aircraft. Our membership numbers are based on the fact that they only made 1100 of them from 1947 to 1954. Many left the country, to AU and to Canada, and to Europe, but we do have conventions in the US as our membership is made up of, mostly, insane owners. Where to have these conventions? Well, that is an issue and is widely discussed as we must select locations that can handle 40-100 airplanes, plus lodging, plus space for banquet, plus has hangar for clinics, PLUS the following:

have some local interest things goin' on, PLUS is located where the membership is willing to fly. We did surveys of membership and have tried to address the geographic areas that had some favor amongst the membership.

BUT....one thing was clear, and even though California has the highest number of 195's in the US, our conventions will draw higher if they are located somewhere in the center of gravity of the US, and that ain't California, so we have them out west only maybe once in 10 years. Last one was at Chino, two years ago.

This year, the 70th anniversary of the Cessna 195, will be in Wichita, the birthplace, and will draw more planes, by far, than any previous convention on either end of the country.

It is a problem making everyone happy and I can see that. As for GMCMI, I will be at Shawnee (planning on it, anyway). Too easy to get there.

Larry


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313432 is a reply to message #313420] Sat, 18 February 2017 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 06:44


So much for California this life.

Matt


Doesn't have to be in California. There are 11 states (13 w/ AK and HI) and 2 provinces in the west side.
In the last 10 years, there has been ONE rally in any of those states. That was 2009 in Pueblo, Colorado,
which is almost to Kansas. It was far east as it's possible to get and still call it west.

For other folks, saying we can't have a rally in Oregon because you can't make it from Iowa, is
no more valid than saying you can't have one in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida because it's too far from Minnesota.
No rally ANYWHERE will be attend-able by all members EVER, no matter where it is.

My point is that GMCMI has, in the last 10 years or so, become an east-only organization.
Imho, that needs to change if they're going to keep claiming western membership.

Karen
1974 26'

PS I voted against that law, but please let's not devolve into a gun discussion here.
I'm sure if we had a rally in one of the other states, one of the many helpful GMCers there
would be happy to store your weapons while you visit California.
Personally, I think the Oregon coast is as beautiful as anywhere further south, maybe more so.



Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313434 is a reply to message #313223] Sat, 18 February 2017 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry, do you guys allow 190s? Sorta like 455s and 403s.

--johnny


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313435 is a reply to message #313432] Sat, 18 February 2017 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is so much to see in this great country of ours, that it is hard for us to veto a rally because of its location. For working folks it may be. We started out from Wisconsin with the intent of ending up in Shawnee. We are getting there by way of Southern California. Our plan is NO PLAN. We may stay at a campsite for several days...up to a week (or longer if at a relative's home). Then we look at a map and find a place within 300 mi or so and go there. See the sights, relax and look at the map again for our next stop. Have seen great things. Saw the Reagan Library in Simi Valley CA. last week. Then saw the Pacific Ocean at Malibu...walked the beach for a day. I spent a couple of hours at the FiTech factory talking with their techs. My point is that if you have to travel far to a rally, make the rally just another egg in the basket of life. Traveling long distances in the MH is not as expensive as one would think. We have found that, when on the road, our monthly expenses are cut roughly by 1/3 to 1/2. Why?? You don't buy extras on the road because there is no place to store them and you'd have to carry them with you for the next 3 months. Because you are away from home, you are not spending money on that home remodel project or other such things. Cost of utilities drops way down. etc. etc. you get my drift? It is actually cheaper to be on the road than to stay home. In addition, that coach is better off on the road than sitting idle in storage. Things deteriorate. Drums and rotors rust. Rust forms on cylinder walls of cylinders with a valve open. Short runs form corrosive fluids in your crankcase reducing life of the engine. Seals harden making them leak. Mice get in and eat your wiring....get my drift? So we don't let the distance to the next rally deter us from attending.

We have this great country that is just begging you to visit it, and it is so much fun to do it in a GMC. JMHO See you all at Shawnee.


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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313438 is a reply to message #313435] Sat, 18 February 2017 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Destination rallies have an appeal to a segment of coach owners, mostly
because of their social value. Renew old friendships, attend seminars, ice
cream, happy hours, no hooking up and unhooking every night. Those rallies
are good.
My favorite rallies are rolling rallies. We have done two long
distance ones, Cross Canada in 2012, and Route 66 in 2014. Both of those
were over SEVEN THOUSAND MILES from our home and return. Different place
every night, different stuff to see every day. A chance to use these great
coaches for the purpose for which they were designed. "See the U.S.A. in
your Chevrolet" kinda deal.
We do mini rolling rallies, too. Wine touring, Covered Bridges
(coming up in May 2017). Purposes of them are limited only by your
imagination. Like minded folks together sharing meals every night. Great
fun. Use those coaches as much as possible, folks. Life is short, spend
your kids enheritance, let them earn their own way, they will thank you for
it later. Eat dessert first.
Jim Hupy, President, GMC CASCADERS
Salem, Oregon
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On Feb 18, 2017 1:12 PM, "Larry" wrote:

> There is so much to see in this great country of ours, that it is hard for
> us to veto a rally because of its location. For working folks it may be.
> We started out from Wisconsin with the intent of ending up in Shawnee. We
> are getting there by way of Southern California. Our plan is NO PLAN. We
> may stay at a campsite for several days...up to a week (or longer if at a
> relative's home). Then we look at a map and find a place within 300 mi or so
> and go there. See the sights, relax and look at the map again for our next
> stop. Have seen great things. Saw the Reagan Library in Simi Valley CA.
> last week. Then saw the Pacific Ocean at Malibu...walked the beach for a
> day. I spent a couple of hours at the FiTech factory talking with their
> techs. My point is that if you have to travel far to a rally, make the
> rally just another egg in the basket of life. Traveling long distances in
> the
> MH is not as expensive as one would think. We have found that, when on
> the road, our monthly expenses are cut roughly by 1/3 to 1/2. Why?? You
> don't
> buy extras on the road because there is no place to store them and you'd
> have to carry them with you for the next 3 months. Because you are away from
> home, you are not spending money on that home remodel project or other
> such things. Cost of utilities drops way down. etc. etc. you get my drift?
> It
> is actually cheaper to be on the road than to stay home. In addition,
> that coach is better off on the road than sitting idle in storage. Things
> deteriorate. Drums and rotors rust. Rust forms on cylinder walls of
> cylinders with a valve open. Short runs form corrosive fluids in your
> crankcase
> reducing life of the engine. Seals harden making them leak. Mice get in
> and eat your wiring....get my drift? So we don't let the distance to the
> next
> rally deter us from attending.
>
> We have this great country that is just begging you to visit it, and it is
> so much fun to do it in a GMC. JMHO See you all at Shawnee.
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313440 is a reply to message #313434] Sat, 18 February 2017 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 15:01
Larry, do you guys allow 190s? Sorta like 455s and 203s.

--johnny


Abso-tively....they are part of the 1,100 made. Had the Continental 245 hp.

Larry


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313443 is a reply to message #313223] Sat, 18 February 2017 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We had one of each on the field where I learned. Col Norm used to let me fly (but not land - he was no fool) his 190. Lovely old bird. Few things make your hair stand up like the sound of a round motor making power.

I don't see GMCMI splitting, but I like the idea of several regional clubs 'co-opping' a rally or two now and again. Also the idea of rallies on the way to rallies, fixed or rolling. National organizations in a country this size are probably always going to have this discussion.

--johnny


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313444 is a reply to message #313422] Sat, 18 February 2017 19:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tphipps wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 10:34
'Assault weapon' must be defined as ugly, or looks like 'military weapon.' Most are not highly accurate, include the famous AK family, and are 'little boy' show-off toys. Actual military long guns are designed to work under most conditions, with little skilled maintenance, and fire lots of rounds. This excludes the early M-16, beautifully designed but needed exact cleaning. AK, you could bury it in dirt, pull it out and fire it. Perhaps with little effect, they were inaccurate in the hands of poorly trained troops.
Tom, MS II

Tom,

First impressions are often damaging. That is the case here. It looks a lot like an AR-15/M-16 so states with stupid laws make it a problem.

This piece is hardly ugly (except to gun haters). It is 5.56, but it is a tack driver. We used the AR action in the design because when it is fit properly (nothing like the version sold to military) it is as stable as the best of bolt action 30s. We wanted to go the .308, but we detected some loss of rigidity in the chamber area due to the larger case. The ammunition is also special as it will stay over Mach by just a little at a 100m target.

One of the real problems comes that when you make it as tight as this, it can mark the slug (big bozo no-no) when the round is fed to the chamber. The magazines have UHMW guide blocks to prevent this. They are not inexpensive and with our current financial state, I could not afford to have my free-lance gunsmith either shorten them to 5 round or make others that were only that size.

You probably know what a gold cup is.... Think of these are iridium cup, we blew right on by platinum cup during the first iteration.

Unless you are a true firearms aficionado you would not understand most of what these pieces are. Unfortunately, these days they are proving to be more true than I seem to be.

Matt


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One of my daughter's high school classmates is a gun manufacturer and makes what are claimed to be highly accurate semi-auto only replicas of the Iraqi Tabuk AK-47s including a sniper version !

All are special order only (50% down) and can take as long as six months before delivery !


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tphipps wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 10:34
> 'Assault weapon' must be defined as ugly, or looks like 'military weapon.' Most are not highly accurate, include the famous AK family, and are
> 'little boy' show-off toys. Actual military long guns are designed to work under most conditions, with little skilled maintenance, and fire lots of
> rounds. This excludes the early M-16, beautifully designed but needed exact cleaning. AK, you could bury it in dirt, pull it out and fire it.
> Perhaps with little effect, they were inaccurate in the hands of poorly trained troops.
> Tom, MS II

Tom,

First impressions are often damaging. That is the case here. It looks a lot like an AR-15/M-16 so states with stupid laws make it a problem.

This piece is hardly ugly (except to gun haters). It is 5.56, but it is a tack driver. We used the AR action in the design because when it is fit
properly (nothing like the version sold to military) it is as stable as the best of bolt action 30s. We wanted to go the .308, but we detected some
loss of rigidity in the chamber area due to the larger case. The ammunition is also special as it will stay over Mach by just a little at a 100m
target.

One of the real problems comes that when you make it as tight as this, it can mark the slug (big bozo no-no) when the round is fed to the chamber.
The magazines have UHMW guide blocks to prevent this. They are not inexpensive and with our current financial state, I could not afford to have my
free-lance gunsmith either shorten them to 5 round or make others that were only that size.

You probably know what a gold cup is.... Think of these are iridium cup, we blew right on by platinum cup during the first iteration.

Unless you are a true firearms aficionado you would not understand most of what these pieces are. Unfortunately, these days they are proving to be
more true than I seem to be.

Matt
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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313447 is a reply to message #313432] Sat, 18 February 2017 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KB wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 15:35
Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 06:44


So much for California this life.

Matt


Doesn't have to be in California. There are 11 states (13 w/ AK and HI) and 2 provinces in the west side.
In the last 10 years, there has been ONE rally in any of those states. That was 2009 in Pueblo, Colorado,
which is almost to Kansas. It was far east as it's possible to get and still call it west.

For other folks, saying we can't have a rally in Oregon because you can't make it from Iowa, is
no more valid than saying you can't have one in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida because it's too far from Minnesota.
No rally ANYWHERE will be attend-able by all members EVER, no matter where it is.

My point is that GMCMI has, in the last 10 years or so, become an east-only organization.
Imho, that needs to change if they're going to keep claiming western membership.

Karen
1974 26'

PS I voted against that law, but please let's not devolve into a gun discussion here.
I'm sure if we had a rally in one of the other states, one of the many helpful GMCers there
would be happy to store your weapons while you visit California.
Personally, I think the Oregon coast is as beautiful as anywhere further south, maybe more so.


Karen,

I share a lot of your view.
This is not about specific laws, but it is about unfriendliness of the coast to RV traveling people. That is unless you are rich and don't mind leaving a weeks grocery money on the table at every crampground every night.

While someone mentioned LV as a possibility, that that is only a long day (~400 mi) from Tucson. I'm not sure we would go the short way, but others might.

The original plan was for Shawnee then west to LV to visit with Mary's brother (out of five siblings between us, few are worth visiting) with several scenic stops along the way. From there to San Diego. After some animals and museum stuff, we would drive the PCH north until we have to turn east to get to Port Townsend (boat building friends there). Then continue east collecting targets of opportunity until the dogs smell home.

It took us 3800 miles to get to Chippewa Falls by way of Yellowstone. With the hysteric registration, we are only supposed to drive the coach to events, shows and for service. The event was the GMCMI Rally. No place does it say we have to take the short way. A lot of the GMCers I know use the rally as a mid point in an excursion. (i.e. Dave Lenzi never takes the short way home and comes up with some great places to stop. He and Mary have a wonderful collection of stories. He is more than just a metal working genius.)

The only reason my guns are in the picture is that if I am going to drive the approximately seven thousand miles that the original tour was planned, the matches would make a nice break. This is not about that. It is about the loss of personal freedoms to some extent.

Matt

Oh, do not offer to store firearms and ammunition for anybody while you are in California unless you have the appropriate licenses. The new laws are extremely restrictive and very harsh.


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313448 is a reply to message #313435] Sat, 18 February 2017 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 13:11
There is so much to see in this great country of ours, that it is hard for us to veto a rally because of its location. For working folks it may be. We started out from Wisconsin with the intent of ending up in Shawnee. We are getting there by way of Southern California. Our plan is NO PLAN. We may stay at a campsite for several days...up to a week (or longer if at a relative's home). Then we look at a map and find a place within 300 mi or so and go there. See the sights, relax and look at the map again for our next stop. Have seen great things. Saw the Reagan Library in Simi Valley CA. last week. Then saw the Pacific Ocean at Malibu...walked the beach for a day. I spent a couple of hours at the FiTech factory talking with their techs. My point is that if you have to travel far to a rally, make the rally just another egg in the basket of life. Traveling long distances in the MH is not as expensive as one would think. We have found that, when on the road, our monthly expenses are cut roughly by 1/3 to 1/2. Why?? You don't buy extras on the road because there is no place to store them and you'd have to carry them with you for the next 3 months. Because you are away from home, you are not spending money on that home remodel project or other such things. Cost of utilities drops way down. etc. etc. you get my drift? It is actually cheaper to be on the road than to stay home. In addition, that coach is better off on the road than sitting idle in storage. Things deteriorate. Drums and rotors rust. Rust forms on cylinder walls of cylinders with a valve open. Short runs form corrosive fluids in your crankcase reducing life of the engine. Seals harden making them leak. Mice get in and eat your wiring....get my drift? So we don't let the distance to the next rally deter us from attending.

We have this great country that is just begging you to visit it, and it is so much fun to do it in a GMC. JMHO See you all at Shawnee.


Hey Larry ain't it fun here in Blythe camping in the rain? Looks like you made it out of the Los Angles area just in time they are having a lot of rain back there the past couple of days. I need to head back home at the end of the week but not in this weather I'd never make it over the sierras.


Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook
Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313453 is a reply to message #313448] Sat, 18 February 2017 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote ]

Hey Larry ain't it fun here in Blythe camping in the rain? Looks like you made it out of the Los Angles area just in time they are having a lot of rain back there the past couple of days. I need to head back home at the end of the week but not in this weather I'd never make it over the sierras.[/quote]

Just for you'all's information, Roy1 and I are just 30ft apart in Mayflower campground...Blythe CA. 30ft apart and we are communicating through the GMCnet....Geeze!


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BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48
United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have all
future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV parks
near there:

http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620

Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more
likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can
drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that none
of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than ONE
star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what
with all that nice flat land around there.

An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get to
travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely resist
(having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding that to be
too far from their present locations will just have to move closer! Or at
least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.

I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up with
it all by myself here in the middle of the night!

Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313463 is a reply to message #313454] Sun, 19 February 2017 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 22:59
BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48 United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have all future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV parks near there:

http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620

Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that none of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than ONE star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what with all that nice flat land around there.

An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get to travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely resist (having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding that to be too far from their present locations will just have to move closer! Or at least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.

I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up with it all by myself here in the middle of the night!

Ken H.

Ken,

It is not that I don't think you are brilliant, but everybody knows that Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the (continental) USA. There is even a monument there to commemorate the fact. Alaskans and Hawaiians may have a varied opinion here.

But there is a nice is a nice cramp ground (according to RV Park Reviews) in Webber. That is about 30 miles (as a crow flies - I don't know how far if the crow is walking and rolling a flat tire). That would be Lovewell State Park (454 slips and a 4.5 star). The actual monument is another 2 miles northwest. The roads only go north and west, you have to figure out the distance on your own. I learned all about this when I was trying to arrange a family reunion. Too Late Now.

Now, the population center of the USA is in south east Missouri. Not that far from New Madrid. (Remember 1815 earthquake). The census does this calculation and it has been in Missouri since the 1980s.

What we could do is do as Mary did for GMCES and do a centroid of North American GMCMI members. I don't think we want to include those outside of North America or that will probably be in a ocean and there won't be any hook-ups and only satellite internet there.

Matt


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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313467 is a reply to message #313435] Sun, 19 February 2017 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 15:11
Traveling long distances in the MH is not as expensive as one would think. We have found that, when on the road, our monthly expenses are cut roughly by 1/3 to 1/2. Why?? You don't buy extras on the road because there is no place to store them and you'd have to carry them with you for the next 3 months. Because you are away from home, you are not spending money on that home remodel project or other such things. Cost of utilities drops way down. etc. etc. you get my drift? It is actually cheaper to be on the road than to stay home. In addition, that coach is better off on the road than sitting idle in storage.


We have found the same thing about travel expenses. Didn't believe it at first but the CFO swears that is correct. Our biggest concern is finding someone to watch over the house for us. We would be gone several weeks longer if not for this.

Next problem is getting to the spring one or home from the fall one. Many RV parks on the way to the spring or the way back in the fall are closed. Weather heading out in the spring is also a concern. I understand the difficulty of finding venues and understand the timing of the events.


Steve Southworth
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Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313469 is a reply to message #313223] Sun, 19 February 2017 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken, I note that the River Bottom campground among those listed is closed. I don't find this surprising, very few of us have an interest in camping at the bottom of a river.

As to New Madrid, we lived for a short while in Blytheville, just down the river a bit. It may well be the population center.... but if you were going to give the country an enema, that's about where you'd plug it in.

--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313470 is a reply to message #313463] Sun, 19 February 2017 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Regarding a recommendation to get to Shawnee!


If you are coming from the northeast, just pick up I-70 wherever convenient and stay on it until you get to the northwest of St Louis. Then take I-270 south to I-44 and head west. Do NOT pick up I-55 at Troy.


If you are coming from southeast on I-64, turn south on I-255 and then west on I-270 north to I-44 west.

No East St Louis!

Mac in OKC, OK
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Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 22:59
> BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48 United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have
> all future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV parks near there:
>
> http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620
>
> Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can
> drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that none of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than ONE
> star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what with all that nice flat land around there.
>
> An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get to travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely
> resist (having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding that to be too far from their present locations will just have to move
> closer! Or at least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.
>
> I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up with it all by myself here in the middle of the night!
>
> Ken H.

Ken,

It is not that I don't think you are brilliant, but everybody knows that Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the (continental) USA. There is even
a monument there to commemorate the fact. Alaskans and Hawaiians may have a varied opinion here.

But there is a nice is a nice cramp ground (according to RV Park Reviews) in Webber. That is about 30 miles (as a crow flies - I don't know how far
if the crow is walking and rolling a flat tire). That would be Lovewell State Park (454 slips and a 4.5 star). The actual monument is another 2
miles northwest. The roads only go north and west, you have to figure out the distance on your own. I learned all about this when I was trying to
arrange a family reunion. Too Late Now.

Now, the population center of the USA is in south east Missouri. Not that far from New Madrid. (Remember 1815 earthquake). The census does this
calculation and it has been in Missouri since the 1980s.

What we could do is do as Mary did for GMCES and do a centroid of North American GMCMI members. I don't think we want to include those outside of
North America or that will probably be in a ocean and there won't be any hook-ups and only satellite internet there.

Matt
--
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