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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #312837 is a reply to message #312765] |
Sun, 05 February 2017 15:16   |
jhbridges
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As far as I know the 26' E II is as stock as it gets as far as insulation is concerned./ Maybe I got a Monday build instead of a friday?
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #312842 is a reply to message #312822] |
Sun, 05 February 2017 16:28 |
BobDunahugh
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There were those that thought my method of improving the insulation, and wrapping the heat ducts wasn't going to help much. I continued my method. As I saw it. Anything was more then I had to start with. One thing that I was extremely surprised about. Was the number of openings for the outside air to come in. And these openings were factory. Not from a PO. I must confess that building another GMC from almost scratch. Just like we always wanted to do to our first one. BUT DIDN'T. Was, for me, fun to do. It's for all of us here. A HOBBY. RIGHT? In reality. Adding insulation was always something that I wanted to do to that first one. Now I had that chance. Plus I always thought that a lot of issues were from air infiltration from the outside. That proved way more true then I ever thought. This 78 Royale is more comfortable as to temps. And much more quiet on the road, or parked. The money, and effort is paying off. BIG TIME.
Bob Dunahugh
The 78 Royale Mouse House
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Subject: RE: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank
Needed to leave the GMC outside one night, and day last week. Left the furnace on the entire time. As I never drain the water out. I keep it my heated shop. I spent a few hours in it out there to do some things. It was in the upper teen's outside that night. High of 24 that day. While I was out there. The furnace ran very little. I think twice during my time in it. I was paying attention to that run time. As I had added insulation. And well wrapped the heat ducts so that the heat from the furnace got into the living area. RV furnaces are sized to 1000 BTU's per liner foot for units like ours.
Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #312843 is a reply to message #312768] |
Sun, 05 February 2017 16:43 |
James Hupy
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When you get a good Coachman up fitted Royale or Birchaven, they are the
top of the heap. But, some of them suffered from monday/Friday quality
control. The guys that sprayed in the foam must have been stoners. But, the
cabinets are first quality, along with the upholstery. Pretty much fit and
finish is much better than the 73/75 Era coaches. I prefer the 403 equipped
coaches but I admit that it a personal preference. I have no data to
support that claim, except for experience with several coaches with them,
my own included. I have over 130000 miles on mine, and it has never been
open. Several others that I service have similar mileages. They are not
perfect, just much more evolved.
Jim Hupy
On Feb 5, 2017 2:29 PM, "Bob Dunahugh" wrote:
There were those that thought my method of improving the insulation, and
wrapping the heat ducts wasn't going to help much. I continued my method.
As I saw it. Anything was more then I had to start with. One thing that I
was extremely surprised about. Was the number of openings for the outside
air to come in. And these openings were factory. Not from a PO. I must
confess that building another GMC from almost scratch. Just like we always
wanted to do to our first one. BUT DIDN'T. Was, for me, fun to do. It's
for all of us here. A HOBBY. RIGHT? In reality. Adding insulation was
always something that I wanted to do to that first one. Now I had that
chance. Plus I always thought that a lot of issues were from air
infiltration from the outside. That proved way more true then I ever
thought. This 78 Royale is more comfortable as to temps. And much more
quiet on the road, or parked. The money, and effort is paying off. BIG
TIME.
Bob Dunahugh
The 78 Royale Mouse House
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From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 1:07 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: RE: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank
Needed to leave the GMC outside one night, and day last week. Left the
furnace on the entire time. As I never drain the water out. I keep it my
heated shop. I spent a few hours in it out there to do some things. It was
in the upper teen's outside that night. High of 24 that day. While I was
out there. The furnace ran very little. I think twice during my time in it.
I was paying attention to that run time. As I had added insulation. And
well wrapped the heat ducts so that the heat from the furnace got into the
living area. RV furnaces are sized to 1000 BTU's per liner foot for units
like ours.
Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317217 is a reply to message #315040] |
Mon, 08 May 2017 16:06 |
DavidJForjan
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Hi Jon, sorry about missing your note. My email address has changed and I didn't see your note until now. Golly I'm sorry.
The new tank came in last week and my RV dealer will be installing this new tank this week. They ordered a new tank from Manchester (thru their supplier), Manchester part number 6819. That tank, 6819, is the exact same size and dimensions as the original tank. Manchester doesn't make the original GMC motorhome tank anymore. But this new one is exactly the same except for the way it mounts. The mounts are on top. We won't be using those mounts, the RV dealer guys will fabricate a different way to mount it in, ultimately using straps to hold it in place. I will be reviewing their design on Wednesday.
Manchester needed 6 weeks to manufacture that tank, but, now I have a full-size LP gas tank, 19.3 gallons minus 20% for fill maximum which equals 15.44 gallons of LP gas on board. The price is cost effective even though it's custom built. I was quoted $750 as my dealer cost. That equals $48.57 per gallon of LP on board. Compared to Applied GMC's offering, which is 11.2 gallons minus 20% which equals 8.96 gallons on board, at a price of $500, which equates to $55.80 per gallon on board. I will pay for installation, how much I don't know yet, but other GMC owners might be able to do the installation themselves. I don't have the tools nor do I want to buy another set of tools (all of mine are at my home back east).
It's VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE that if anyone orders this tank, 6819, you must specify if you want the sending unit included (for connecting to the gauge inside the RV to show current amount of LP on board). The 6819 does not come with the sending unit included. I will have a price breakdown late this week.
Sorry for the delay in updating this topic, but I wasn't gonna believe that I'm getting that tank until it actually arrived (not to mention that my RV dealer never calls me. With them, if I'm not in their face, they forget about me. Out of sight, out of mind. And I'm not an in-your-face person anymore)
Will provide all the pricing details and installation details late this week.
Hope all of you who read this are well.
david Forjan
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317221 is a reply to message #317217] |
Mon, 08 May 2017 16:27 |
A Hamilto
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DavidJForjan wrote on Mon, 08 May 2017 16:06Hi Jon, sorry about missing your note. My email address has changed and I didn't see your note until now. Golly I'm sorry.
The new tank came in last week and my RV dealer will be installing this new tank this week. They ordered a new tank from Manchester (thru their supplier), Manchester part number 6819. That tank, 6819, is the exact same size and dimensions as the original tank. Manchester doesn't make the original GMC motorhome tank anymore. But this new one is exactly the same except for the way it mounts. The mounts are on top. We won't be using those mounts, the RV dealer guys will fabricate a different way to mount it in, ultimately using straps to hold it in place. I will be reviewing their design on Wednesday.
Manchester needed 6 weeks to manufacture that tank, but, now I have a full-size LP gas tank, 19.3 gallons minus 20% for fill maximum which equals 15.44 gallons of LP gas on board. The price is cost effective even though it's custom built. I was quoted $750 as my dealer cost. That equals $48.57 per gallon of LP on board. Compared to Applied GMC's offering, which is 11.2 gallons minus 20% which equals 8.96 gallons on board, at a price of $500, which equates to $55.80 per gallon on board. I will pay for installation, how much I don't know yet, but other GMC owners might be able to do the installation themselves. I don't have the tools nor do I want to buy another set of tools (all of mine are at my home back east).
It's VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE that if anyone orders this tank, 6819, you must specify if you want the sending unit included (for connecting to the gauge inside the RV to show current amount of LP on board). The 6819 does not come with the sending unit included. I will have a price breakdown late this week.
Sorry for the delay in updating this topic, but I wasn't gonna believe that I'm getting that tank until it actually arrived (not to mention that my RV dealer never calls me. With them, if I'm not in their face, they forget about me. Out of sight, out of mind. And I'm not an in-your-face person anymore)
Will provide all the pricing details and installation details late this week.
Hope all of you who read this are well.
david Forjan Clearly they gen up a tank when they get an order. There really is no good excuse why they can't weld the brackets to the bottom instead of the top if they only make them when they get an order. Sad that you have to jump through hoops to bastardize the installation because of their inept business model.
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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317432 is a reply to message #317383] |
Fri, 12 May 2017 08:48 |
SpookyEng
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I look forward to seeing the results, inevitably these tanks will fail as they get older, I want to replace mine with a tank as close to the original as possible. Please post some pictures of the tank and installation when they get finished. For all of the supposed business focus on the customer it is very hard to get good customer service these days. I make it a point to provide excellent response to my customer's needs and to refrain from patronizing businesses that don't do the same. I wonder how many tanks would have to be purchased at one time to get them to build them with the mounts on the bottom and if a group buy could make that happen? I am a firm believer in preventative not reactive maintenance.
JD Lisenby- USAF Ret
1978 Royale-455
MacDash, Manny Tranny, FI-tech, 3.70 etc etc
Navarre, FL
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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317451 is a reply to message #312765] |
Fri, 12 May 2017 12:04 |
jhbridges
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I suspect what they're making for you is the same as was on my Itasca SOB. Identical to the GMC tank, except it had top mounts and was suspended from some frame pieces under the chassis. Likely a much more produced version, there are a LOT of RVs out there on P-30 and Ford chassis. Should I get caught up in the same hassle, I think I'll ship them the bad tank with a a note, "Duplicate this for me please."
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317464 is a reply to message #312765] |
Fri, 12 May 2017 15:28 |
DavidJForjan
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Surely there's more. For me, I only pursued them because they made the original (on many GMCs), and they have the blueprints somewhere surely, and the tank part of the 6819 tank is identical to ours. Coincidentally, my RV guy called and they've completed installation. I'll be picking it up later. I'm psyched. But of primary importance, someone should be offering us GMC Motorhome enthusiasts a new 19 gallon replacement. Could be that the quickest solution would be to convince Manchester to offer us the custom order of their almost identical 6819. Actually, the assembly starts out the same. First the tubular body is welded. They start out identical. Then the tapped holes and brackets are done. Seems someone could give the builder our design blueprints, instead of the 6819 prints, and he'd be doing the same work, just to our blueprints. They build to order.
I'm pondering how to convince Manchester to do so.
david
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317466 is a reply to message #317464] |
Fri, 12 May 2017 15:35 |
Emery Stora
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There is such a limited demand for the GMC tanks that it is unlikely that any manufacturer will make them as a stocked item.
I think it is very rare for a tank to go bad. How did yours fail? Did it rust through?
Maintenance such as wire brushing or sanding, priming and painting ones tank would prevent rusting.
I had an extra for sale and listed it on the GMCnet a couple of times but no one seemed to need one. I sold it on Craigs List a couple of years back for $100.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On May 12, 2017, at 2:28 PM, David J. Forjan wrote:
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> Surely there's more. For me, I only pursued them because they made the original (on many GMCs), and they have the blueprints somewhere surely, and
> the tank part of the 6819 tank is identical to ours. Coincidentally, my RV guy called and they've completed installation. I'll be picking it up
> later. I'm psyched. But of primary importance, someone should be offering us GMC Motorhome enthusiasts a new 19 gallon replacement. Could be that
> the quickest solution would be to convince Manchester to offer us the custom order of their almost identical 6819. Actually, the assembly starts out
> the same. First the tubular body is welded. They start out identical. Then the tapped holes and brackets are done. Seems someone could give the
> builder our design blueprints, instead of the 6819 prints, and he'd be doing the same work, just to our blueprints. They build to order.
>
> I'm pondering how to convince Manchester to do so.
> david
> --
> David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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| Re: Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317475 is a reply to message #312765] |
Fri, 12 May 2017 18:51 |
DavidJForjan
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Hey Emory. No it did not rust, here was a leak on the welded seam on the tank, where the rounded-end tank pieces are welded to the cylindrical tube of the main body of the tank. Has leaked since I got it. Took a while to find it, meaning other possibilities were trouble-shooted. We figured the least probable cause would be the welds, and even then, it took a while to isolate it; mirror and flashlight in just the right positions and we saw a mist coming out of that spot (on the backside right side of the tank). I also reached the life expectancy of these model tanks and it's 40 years, and this year is my old tank's 40th anniversary.
david
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank [message #317476 is a reply to message #317475] |
Fri, 12 May 2017 18:58 |
Emery Stora
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Where did you get the information on the life expectancy at 40 years?
If they all fail at 40 year that means that most of the GMC motorhomes will need new tanks NOW!
Emery Stora
> On May 12, 2017, at 5:51 PM, David J. Forjan wrote:
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> Hey Emory. No it did not rust, here was a leak on the welded seam on the tank, where the rounded-end tank pieces are welded to the cylindrical tube
> of the main body of the tank. Has leaked since I got it. Took a while to find it, meaning other possibilities were trouble-shooted. We figured the
> least probable cause would be the welds, and even then, it took a while to isolate it; mirror and flashlight in just the right positions and we saw a
> mist coming out of that spot (on the backside right side of the tank). I also reached the life expectancy of these model tanks and it's 40 years,
> and this year is my old tank's 40th anniversary.
> david
> --
> David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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