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| [GMCnet] Paint [message #274264] |
Tue, 24 March 2015 09:46  |
Dolph Santorine
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Hi All:
A few years back Topeka Graphics was the place for paint on a GMC.
Then they quit doing it (RV business back up, I presume)
What/Who’s the current hot setup on getting a coach painted these days?
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274265 is a reply to message #274264] |
Tue, 24 March 2015 10:13  |
jknezek
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I don't think there is a solid quality/price trade off place like Topeka that is recommended right now. You can probably get a lot of recommendations from people who have had their coaches painted by a guy somewhere, but not a lot of coaches by the same guy. You can talk to Jim Bounds at The Coop. I know he's done a lot of very high quality finishes for top dollar, but he also at least mentioned once upon a time doing a lower quality job for a lower price. Not sure if he ever got that up and running or if people took him up on it.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274380 is a reply to message #274265] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 08:31 |
Jim at the Co-op
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There is
speed
low price
quality
pick 2 because anyone saying they have all 3 are fooling you. Yes, there
are different levels of quality but to be honest-- these are big machines,
any descent attention will take time and time is the expensive part of
anything like that. At the last WS rally there was a presentation on a
real paint job done by it's owner. He found there was at least 150 hours
put into the job and @ $1500-2000 in total materials (sand paper, tape,
primer, base, clear, buffing, etc) These are hard numbers that there isn;t
much wiggle room for.
Jeremy, I did look at cutting corners to end up with a cheaper job but the
reality of it is you are what your finish looks like and I just didn;t want
to throw something out for the price. I think you would think less of me
if I did that. Topeka got out of GMC yes, because of the money. They had
to do way more prep work on these old things than they did to new Jayco
trailers so that's where they went back to. The GMC community held Topeka
together while the RV industry imploded. Now that they can do that work
again they said thanks but that's it. It is much harder to refinish a turd
thn a breadbox.
I have been playing with the Duplicolor, rubber finish to try and cut prep
time and materials but as yet I have not finished learning and done one
complete yet. Actual paint work just takes the time, cut the time and you
cut the quality -- no way around it. Topeka jobs do look descent b if you
look harder you can see the short cuts -- sorry but there just is no way
around that.
I've just seen this enough, I painted my coach in 40 hours complete with
sharks teeth, bullet holes and palm frond camo -- want that give me a
call...
Jim Bounds
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:
> I don't think there is a solid quality/price trade off place like Topeka
> that is recommended right now. You can probably get a lot of recommendations
> from people who have had their coaches painted by a guy somewhere, but not
> a lot of coaches by the same guy. You can talk to Jim Bounds at The Coop. I
> know he's done a lot of very high quality finishes for top dollar, but he
> also at least mentioned once upon a time doing a lower quality job for a
> lower price. Not sure if he ever got that up and running or if people took
> him up on it.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274383 is a reply to message #274264] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 09:57 |
jhbridges
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In another life, I worked for an outfit that repaired and repainted ainpleanes. We shot Alumigrip pretty much exclusively, it was the U>S> Paint version of Imron. Prep is EVERYTHING. If I ever paint my coach, I'll do it airplane style if I can find a stripper that won't destroy the fiberglass. Airplanes are taken to the bare aluminum with caustic stripper, takes a couple of days. Next the ship is hand stripped where the stripper missed - around rivets, etc. Another day minimum. Then etch the surface and wash the etch off... 6 hours of flooding with a water hose, so another day. All of these with a two man crew. Then, you can prime (a day) and then mask and paint.
Since the weight of the old paint doesn't matter on a GMC, you can sand and clean, which will save one day. You probably don't need to etch, and you can spot prime, saves two days. You're still two guys three days prepping, and this ain't cheap. 48 hours labor is going to run between $4k and $5K at current rates around my place. 2500 in supplies and another 2500 labor for a competent painter, and a $10K paint jod isn't at all unreasonable. Do your own prep, you can halve it. >If< you're competent to spray you can get it under 3 Large with a lot of time invested. I wasn't allowed to shoot vertical surfaces, I left too many 'trademarks' 
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274385 is a reply to message #274264] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 10:46 |
rcjordan
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Didn't Armand document his DIY paint job? Something like 140 hours?
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274386 is a reply to message #274385] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 11:14 |
James Hupy
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Todd Sullivan has Seattle Collision Center in Seattle,Wa. It is a full
service collision repair facility. He painted his coach, which was a
recovered engine fire coach. Because the Fire Department extinguished the
fire with Dry Chemical agents, he needed to remove the front clip and
neutralize the stuff wherever it got to. His coach is presently in my shop
for an engine R & R, so I have had a good chance to look at the paint job
that he did. It was a complete strip and prep and the side runner where the
aluminum joins the SMC lower panels was removed, everything was removed
from the roof and all openings resealed. the inner rear fender wells were
removed, repaired and resealed properly to the coach. All windows were
removed as well as bumpers and trim pieces. The whole interior was gutted.
The windshields were not removed, and are fogged a bit. He did all the work
himself, and has over $6500.00 in material costs. He said that he would
NEVER PAINT ANOTHER COACH. His lowest cost estimate to do one would be in
excess of $10,000.00. I agree with his assessment. It just takes a crazy
amount of time to prepare one of these 40 year old coaches to the point
where a good looking paint job can be obtained. I personally have built hot
rods and show cars since I was 14 years old, and I will be 75 in May. My
last show car was a 1961 Cadillac Coupe deVille small roof 2 door hardtop.
It was finished with Dupont Base coat/clear coat urethane materials. Bottom
was Black, and top was 96 Chrysler 3 stage White with medium pearl overcoat
followed by clearcoat. That car took me 2 months to do the paint. Over two
weeks in wetsand and final buff. You could see your reflection anywhere you
looked on the car. If you tried to get a GMC to that level of finish, you
would not live long enough to see the results. These coaches are meant to
use, not to stand back behind a velvet rope and admire. Do a good 10 footer
paint job on yours and drive the snot out of it. Make some memories, have
some fun. Life is too short as it is. Don't waste any of it polishing paint
and chrome. Your opinion might vary.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:46 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
> Didn't Armand document his DIY paint job? Something like 140 hours?
> --
> 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
> Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274397 is a reply to message #274385] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 15:23 |
armandminnie
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I estimate that I spend 200-300 hours doing body work, prepping and painting over a 7-month period. The paint materials (all 2-part, including a clear coat) were in the neighborhood of $1500 and all materials like screws, side trim, clearance lights, etc. brought the total up to more than $2500. I think $10K-$12K is a reasonable price to have it done. Experience and a place to work (I did mine in a gravel storage lot) would shorten the time requirement but still lots of work.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274399 is a reply to message #274264] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 15:29 |
James Hupy
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Two ways to do that. One, probably the simple way, is to find a piece of
the coach that has not been affected by effects of the age and weather,
like behind the gas cap door or under the rear tail lights, and go to an
automotive paint supply store and have them read the paint color with a
spectrometer. They will develop a formula from that reading, and duplicate
it in the products that they sell today. Second is to look in the service
manual and get the original paint color number. They might be able to cross
reference it to today's paint products.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Dolph Santorine
wrote:
> Thank you, Jim.
>
> I’m printing this and posting it, and moving forward.
>
> Now… where can I find the correct color numbers so I can have some of the
> Frost White (Palm Beach 70’s green) mixed up.
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE N8JPC
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> 1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:14 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> Todd Sullivan has Seattle Collision Center in Seattle,Wa. It is a full
>> service collision repair facility. He painted his coach, which was a
>> recovered engine fire coach. Because the Fire Department extinguished the
>> fire with Dry Chemical agents, he needed to remove the front clip and
>> neutralize the stuff wherever it got to. His coach is presently in my
> shop
>> for an engine R & R, so I have had a good chance to look at the paint job
>> that he did. It was a complete strip and prep and the side runner where
> the
>> aluminum joins the SMC lower panels was removed, everything was removed
>> from the roof and all openings resealed. the inner rear fender wells were
>> removed, repaired and resealed properly to the coach. All windows were
>> removed as well as bumpers and trim pieces. The whole interior was
> gutted.
>> The windshields were not removed, and are fogged a bit. He did all the
> work
>> himself, and has over $6500.00 in material costs. He said that he would
>> NEVER PAINT ANOTHER COACH. His lowest cost estimate to do one would be in
>> excess of $10,000.00. I agree with his assessment. It just takes a crazy
>> amount of time to prepare one of these 40 year old coaches to the point
>> where a good looking paint job can be obtained. I personally have built
> hot
>> rods and show cars since I was 14 years old, and I will be 75 in May. My
>> last show car was a 1961 Cadillac Coupe deVille small roof 2 door
> hardtop.
>> It was finished with Dupont Base coat/clear coat urethane materials.
> Bottom
>> was Black, and top was 96 Chrysler 3 stage White with medium pearl
> overcoat
>> followed by clearcoat. That car took me 2 months to do the paint. Over
> two
>> weeks in wetsand and final buff. You could see your reflection anywhere
> you
>> looked on the car. If you tried to get a GMC to that level of finish, you
>> would not live long enough to see the results. These coaches are meant to
>> use, not to stand back behind a velvet rope and admire. Do a good 10
> footer
>> paint job on yours and drive the snot out of it. Make some memories, have
>> some fun. Life is too short as it is. Don't waste any of it polishing
> paint
>> and chrome. Your opinion might vary.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, OR
>> 78 GMC Royale 403
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:46 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
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>>> Didn't Armand document his DIY paint job? Something like 140 hours?
>>> --
>>> 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
>>> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
>>> Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274400 is a reply to message #274386] |
Thu, 26 March 2015 15:20 |
Dolph Santorine
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Thank you, Jim.
I’m printing this and posting it, and moving forward.
Now… where can I find the correct color numbers so I can have some of the Frost White (Palm Beach 70’s green) mixed up.
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
1-Ton, Sullybilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:14 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> Todd Sullivan has Seattle Collision Center in Seattle,Wa. It is a full
> service collision repair facility. He painted his coach, which was a
> recovered engine fire coach. Because the Fire Department extinguished the
> fire with Dry Chemical agents, he needed to remove the front clip and
> neutralize the stuff wherever it got to. His coach is presently in my shop
> for an engine R & R, so I have had a good chance to look at the paint job
> that he did. It was a complete strip and prep and the side runner where the
> aluminum joins the SMC lower panels was removed, everything was removed
> from the roof and all openings resealed. the inner rear fender wells were
> removed, repaired and resealed properly to the coach. All windows were
> removed as well as bumpers and trim pieces. The whole interior was gutted.
> The windshields were not removed, and are fogged a bit. He did all the work
> himself, and has over $6500.00 in material costs. He said that he would
> NEVER PAINT ANOTHER COACH. His lowest cost estimate to do one would be in
> excess of $10,000.00. I agree with his assessment. It just takes a crazy
> amount of time to prepare one of these 40 year old coaches to the point
> where a good looking paint job can be obtained. I personally have built hot
> rods and show cars since I was 14 years old, and I will be 75 in May. My
> last show car was a 1961 Cadillac Coupe deVille small roof 2 door hardtop.
> It was finished with Dupont Base coat/clear coat urethane materials. Bottom
> was Black, and top was 96 Chrysler 3 stage White with medium pearl overcoat
> followed by clearcoat. That car took me 2 months to do the paint. Over two
> weeks in wetsand and final buff. You could see your reflection anywhere you
> looked on the car. If you tried to get a GMC to that level of finish, you
> would not live long enough to see the results. These coaches are meant to
> use, not to stand back behind a velvet rope and admire. Do a good 10 footer
> paint job on yours and drive the snot out of it. Make some memories, have
> some fun. Life is too short as it is. Don't waste any of it polishing paint
> and chrome. Your opinion might vary.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:46 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
>
>> Didn't Armand document his DIY paint job? Something like 140 hours?
>> --
>> 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
>> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
>> Elizabeth City, NC
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274418 is a reply to message #274380] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 08:58 |
Keith V
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Jim at the Co-op wrote on Thu, 26 March 2015 08:31There is
speed
low price
quality
pick 2 because anyone saying they have all 3 are fooling you.
...
I used to think that way, now I believe it's pick ONE.
If you pick fast, it will be expensive and low quality.
If you pick cheap, it will be slow and low quality.
If you pick High quality it will be expensive and slow.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
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Cell, 763-732-3419
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274419 is a reply to message #274418] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 09:19 |
Olly Schmidt
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Why *do* people paint their coaches? Is it for optics, or is there a
technical reason (protection whatever) to invest in painting?
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
'76a Eleganza II, VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274423 is a reply to message #274421] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 09:39 |
Ronald Pottol
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Mop&Glow only goes so far.
Yes, people have reported that multiple coats of professional grade floor
polish products will make any paint shine.
A coach I'm looking at, the stripes are half gone, and even after cleaning
that up, I expect that it's not going to look very shiny at all. Nice
looking is nice looking, and gives you a chance to park at the places that
say no coaches over 10 years old.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
> Slow down complaints from the HOA?
> less likely to have problems if you need to park somewhere
> unexpectedly?..........if it looks new and shiny they are less likely to
> think it
> likely to be there long or simply trying to get free parking.....
>
> Easier to sell?.......even if you are selling in 10 years it will likely
> look a lot better than 50 year old paint.
>
> Keep CFO happy and not feeling that living in a trailer was not in her
> retirement plans :)
>
> If you have the money, why not?
>
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Fri, 27 March 2015 09:19
>> Why *do* people paint their coaches? Is it for optics, or is there a
>> technical reason (protection whatever) to invest in painting?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>>
>> Peer Oliver Schmidt
>> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
>>
>> '76a Eleganza II, VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274426 is a reply to message #274423] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 09:49 |
Sandra Price
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Ours was so ugly when we first got it, nobody wanted it near their house.
After we got it painted, people don't know what it or how old it is and
we're welcomed anywhere. All of them get lots of attention no matter how
they look.
Sandra Price
On Mar 27, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ronald Pottol" wrote:
> Mop&Glow only goes so far.
>
> Yes, people have reported that multiple coats of professional grade floor
> polish products will make any paint shine.
>
> A coach I'm looking at, the stripes are half gone, and even after cleaning
> that up, I expect that it's not going to look very shiny at all. Nice
> looking is nice looking, and gives you a chance to park at the places that
> say no coaches over 10 years old.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
>
>> Slow down complaints from the HOA?
>> less likely to have problems if you need to park somewhere
>> unexpectedly?..........if it looks new and shiny they are less likely to
>> think it
>> likely to be there long or simply trying to get free parking.....
>>
>> Easier to sell?.......even if you are selling in 10 years it will likely
>> look a lot better than 50 year old paint.
>>
>> Keep CFO happy and not feeling that living in a trailer was not in her
>> retirement plans :)
>>
>> If you have the money, why not?
>>
>>
>> Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Fri, 27 March 2015 09:19
>>> Why *do* people paint their coaches? Is it for optics, or is there a
>>> technical reason (protection whatever) to invest in painting?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Peer Oliver Schmidt
>>> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
>>>
>>> '76a Eleganza II, VA
>>>
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>> No Coach yet.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274439 is a reply to message #274418] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 15:48 |
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Keith V wrote on Fri, 27 March 2015 08:58Jim at the Co-op wrote on Thu, 26 March 2015 08:31There is
speed
low price
quality
pick 2 because anyone saying they have all 3 are fooling you.
...
I used to think that way, now I believe it's pick ONE.
If you pick fast, it will be expensive and low quality.
If you pick cheap, it will be slow and low quality.
If you pick High quality it will be expensive and slow.
Especially for paint. That needs to be a etched in stone somewhere for all to see...
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274445 is a reply to message #274439] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 16:30 |
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Peer
I've been meaning to for the past 10 years...maybe next year Keith V wrote on Fri, 27 March 2015 08:58[/color]
>> Jim at the Co-op wrote on Thu, 26 March 2015 08:31
>>> There is
>>>
>>> speed
>>> low price
>>> quality
>>>
>>> pick 2 because anyone saying they have all 3 are fooling you.
>>> ...
>>
>>
>> I used to think that way, now I believe it's pick ONE.
>>
>> If you pick fast, it will be expensive and low quality.
>> If you pick cheap, it will be slow and low quality.
>> If you pick High quality it will be expensive and slow.
>
>
> Especially for paint. That needs to be a etched in stone somewhere for
> all to see...
>
> --
> 76 Birchaven - New engine, trans, aluminum radiator, brakes, airbags, fuel
> lines, seats, upholstery, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were
> really thinking about us second hand owners...
> Columbia, SC.
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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