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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274446 is a reply to message #274445] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 16:45 |
Olly Schmidt
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Thanks for all that answered. Good to know that it is no real technical
benefit, but probably a social benefit in some areas/situations.
Our GMC will have a long way before we take that into account
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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'76a Eleganza II, VA
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274451 is a reply to message #274422] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 17:08 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
C'mon Jim that statement is a bit unfair.
One could say the same thing about any of the "upgrades" that anyone makes to their GMC.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
It is called "one upsmanship." If so and so has a blue coach, by golly,
I'll just paint mine green. (grin) The imron paint on most of our coaches
will outlast most of us.
Jim Hupy
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274454 is a reply to message #274451] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 17:31 |
James Hupy
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What part Rob, the part about the original Imron paint outlasting us?
That's probably true. The other? Ahhh, might have been a bit of a stretch.
(Grin) Mechanical upgrades, while not exactly mission critical, I place
those above cosmetic mods. Just me, though. Everyone's priorities differ.
Although the point about rolling into a classy rv park and having people
look at a GMC with disdainful looks probably means I need to wash my coach
once in a while.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Mar 27, 2015 3:09 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
> Jim,
>
> C'mon Jim that statement is a bit unfair.
>
> One could say the same thing about any of the "upgrades" that anyone makes
> to their GMC.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:36 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
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> It is called "one upsmanship." If so and so has a blue coach, by golly,
> I'll just paint mine green. (grin) The imron paint on most of our coaches
> will outlast most of us.
> Jim Hupy
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274456 is a reply to message #274454] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 18:09 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
This part;
It is called "one upsmanship."
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 5:32 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
What part Rob, the part about the original Imron paint outlasting us?
That's probably true. The other? Ahhh, might have been a bit of a stretch.
(Grin) Mechanical upgrades, while not exactly mission critical, I place
those above cosmetic mods. Just me, though. Everyone's priorities differ.
Although the point about rolling into a classy rv park and having people
look at a GMC with disdainful looks probably means I need to wash my coach
once in a while.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Mar 27, 2015 3:09 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
> Jim,
>
> C'mon Jim that statement is a bit unfair.
>
> One could say the same thing about any of the "upgrades" that anyone makes
> to their GMC.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:36 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
>
> It is called "one upsmanship." If so and so has a blue coach, by golly,
> I'll just paint mine green. (grin) The imron paint on most of our coaches
> will outlast most of us.
> Jim Hupy
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274458 is a reply to message #274456] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 18:28 |
James Hupy
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Yeah, I kinda figured that was what you meant. Call it bragging rights or
what have you. I personally try not to participate in that activity, but
every so often, I backslide some.
Jim Hupy
On Mar 27, 2015 4:09 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
> Jim,
>
> This part;
>
> It is called "one upsmanship."
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 5:32 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
>
> What part Rob, the part about the original Imron paint outlasting us?
> That's probably true. The other? Ahhh, might have been a bit of a stretch.
> (Grin) Mechanical upgrades, while not exactly mission critical, I place
> those above cosmetic mods. Just me, though. Everyone's priorities differ.
> Although the point about rolling into a classy rv park and having people
> look at a GMC with disdainful looks probably means I need to wash my coach
> once in a while.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> On Mar 27, 2015 3:09 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> C'mon Jim that statement is a bit unfair.
>>
>> One could say the same thing about any of the "upgrades" that anyone
> makes
>> to their GMC.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> James
>> Hupy
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:36 AM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
>>
>> It is called "one upsmanship." If so and so has a blue coach, by golly,
>> I'll just paint mine green. (grin) The imron paint on most of our coaches
>> will outlast most of us.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274464 is a reply to message #274458] |
Fri, 27 March 2015 19:06 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
I don't equate "bragging rights" to "one upsmanship;" to me they are completely different and come from different viewpoints.
"Bragging rights" to me are held by someone with a bike, car, motorhome, whatever that he has spent his time and / or his money to
make it the way he wants because that's what he wanted.
One upsmanship is the guy that sees his neighbor buy a BMW so he goes out and buys a more costly Mercedes.
I see nothing wrong with a group of GMCer's sitting around talking about the upgrades they've made to their coach. I do have a
problem with a GMCer that buys a Prevost and then attends GMC rallies and tells everybody how great his Prevost is compared to his
GMC!
I have no problem with someone going to a larger motorhome because they wanted or needed more space. For example I would find it
very hard to full time in a GMC, I'm too damn big and like my space. As a touring vehicle the GMC is PERFECT! I wish I had known
about the 23' Avion as I would have tried to find one of them.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 6:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Paint
Yeah, I kinda figured that was what you meant. Call it bragging rights or
what have you. I personally try not to participate in that activity, but
every so often, I backslide some.
Jim Hupy
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274651 is a reply to message #274419] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 10:45 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Fri, 27 March 2015 08:19Why *do* people paint their coaches? Is it for optics, or is there a
technical reason (protection whatever) to invest in painting?
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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'76a Eleganza II, VA
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I don't like driving something around that looks like S..T. Given that, a good paint job is extremely expensive and I know that's a major burden if you have tradeoffs to make. Mine cost $12k to paint around 20 years ago but I have to say it has held up extremely well. I have some minor bubbling right at the belt molding but you have to be very close to see it. I don't think I have ever waxed it other than wiping it down with Speed shine.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274663 is a reply to message #274657] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 13:51 |
Dolph Santorine
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Linear relationship. I get it!
Dolph Santorine
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010,
> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
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> I have a 40 year old paint job and it doesn't look half as good!
> Does that make sense??
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> Mike in NS
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>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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>> Here's how a good 20+ year old paint job looks like today:
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>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/march-2015-camping/p57690-img-2368.html
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/march-2015-camping/p57690-img-2368.html
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>> Bob de Kruyff
>> 78 Eleganza
>> Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274667 is a reply to message #274485] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 14:29 |
Joe Weir
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I'd be happy with a 50 footer...
kerry pinkerton wrote on Sat, 28 March 2015 06:55Another approach. Went from a 50 footer to a 15 footer.
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274678 is a reply to message #274264] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 16:07 |
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My Royale was pretty horrific. Sort of an Oxidized Flesh color. Kevin at the Co-op also found hidden, crappy bodywork that had to be redone.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274685 is a reply to message #274264] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 20:19 |
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Matt Colie
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As nearly as I can tell from the receipts I can read, our coach was repainted in Mexico about 20 years ago. I don't know what the paint was, but it is harder than Imron. It is way harder than Awlgrip. It is flatter than Kansas. I tried polishing it with hand compound on a wheel. (For you that don't know, this is a big Bozo No-No. Hand compound should cut so fast that using it on a power wheel could eat through the metal - let alone the paint.)
Nothing. I can bring it up a little at a time by wet sanding with 400, The panel below the driver's window took all day and it has pretty much gone flat again.
It looks pretty good when it is wet. I thought about putting some of the stuff for terrazo floors on it. I friend used it on his old boat, and it looks pretty good until the UV gets to it.
I would love to get her a 10K paint job, but we have a budget for the coach that is less than I had in mind years ago. If my retirement plans had not been raided, I might have done something, but as it is, the cost of a paint job would put us off line for four maybe five years. Thanks BHO, I will try to remember all you have done for me.
Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274690 is a reply to message #274684] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 21:47 |
Bob de Kruyff
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habbyguy wrote on Tue, 31 March 2015 18:53FWIW, here's a 26 year old paint job... http://www.habcycles.com/GMC16.jpg
It's still looking pretty good, and now that it's stored inside a climate-controlled warehouse, I suspect it'll continue to stay nice for a lot of years.
Looks like new!
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274692 is a reply to message #274685] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 21:50 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 31 March 2015 19:19As nearly as I can tell from the receipts I can read, our coach was repainted in Mexico about 20 years ago. I don't know what the paint was, but it is harder than Imron. It is way harder than Awlgrip. It is flatter than Kansas. I tried polishing it with hand compound on a wheel. (For you that don't know, this is a big Bozo No-No. Hand compound should cut so fast that using it on a power wheel could eat through the metal - let alone the paint.)
Nothing. I can bring it up a little at a time by wet sanding with 400, The panel below the driver's window took all day and it has pretty much gone flat again.
It looks pretty good when it is wet. I thought about putting some of the stuff for terrazo floors on it. I friend used it on his old boat, and it looks pretty good until the UV gets to it.
I would love to get her a 10K paint job, but we have a budget for the coach that is less than I had in mind years ago. If my retirement plans had not been raided, I might have done something, but as it is, the cost of a paint job would put us off line for four maybe five years. Thanks BHO, I will try to remember all you have done for me.
Matt
It was probably some paint that has been illegal here for years. I know a new paint job is almost impossible to swallow. I wonder if just a clear coat would work for you.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274696 is a reply to message #274693] |
Tue, 31 March 2015 22:09 |
Adrien G.
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Jim H., Rob M.,
Call it "bragging rights" to "one upsmanship". Any person who goes to car show, has to admit that the paint job says a lot toward the merit of a closer look
In my case some PO gave the coach what I would call "a one day Miracle paint job", which looks somewhat good at about 100 plus ft . The roof feels like 80 grit sand paper. The sides have heavy places with runs and thin places where it didn't stick. And a stripe that bled under the masking tape.
I've been gathering info on paint jobs (8 to 12K, with a life span with care of 20 yrs +) and on wrap jobs (3 to 5K, and 5 to 7 year life span), but still something has to be done to the paint for the wrap to stick to.
My bragging rights will be on the body prep work, Which I can do. Then I'll decide the next step.
With the inside redone, the outside also needs to look good. Not showroom quality, just a10 ft or so quality, then it looks showroom at 50 ft., and it'll merit a closer look.
That's what I'm faced with in the paint department. Be it bragging or one-ups-manship.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
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Re: [GMCnet] Paint [message #274698 is a reply to message #274692] |
Wed, 01 April 2015 00:18 |
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Bob de Kruyff wrote on Tue, 31 March 2015 19:50Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 31 March 2015 19:19As nearly as I can tell from the receipts I can read, our coach was repainted in Mexico about 20 years ago. I don't know what the paint was, but it is harder than Imron. It is way harder than Awlgrip. It is flatter than Kansas. I tried polishing it with hand compound on a wheel. (For you that don't know, this is a big Bozo No-No. Hand compound should cut so fast that using it on a power wheel could eat through the metal - let alone the paint.)
Nothing. I can bring it up a little at a time by wet sanding with 400, The panel below the driver's window took all day and it has pretty much gone flat again.
It looks pretty good when it is wet. I thought about putting some of the stuff for terrazo floors on it. I friend used it on his old boat, and it looks pretty good until the UV gets to it.
I would love to get her a 10K paint job, but we have a budget for the coach that is less than I had in mind years ago. If my retirement plans had not been raided, I might have done something, but as it is, the cost of a paint job would put us off line for four maybe five years. Thanks BHO, I will try to remember all you have done for me.
Matt
It was probably some paint that has been illegal here for years. I know a new paint job is almost impossible to swallow. I wonder if just a clear coat would work for you.
That's what I was thinking generaly if it looks good wet a clear coat will make it look pretty good.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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